Successful Men

[zekko]

Have you ever noticed how many pickup gurus talk about how having money can hurt you with women? I don't know how many times I've heard the story about the wealthy guy who goes to a bar, picks up a chick, and takes her back to his house to fvck. She takes one look at his very cool house and decides not to put out, because she now wants him as provider material instead of just a one night stand.

Now, I'm sure this does happen in real life sometimes. I just think it's funny that pickup gurus will portray being a successful man as a hindrance to getting women, when the opposite is really true. It's all part of the pickup industry's marketing approach: You don't need money, you don't need to look good, you don't even need to do anything because if you follow my system the girls will come to you!

Also, I don't see the girl's behavior in the story as being so negative. She immediately realizes she has a high value guy on her hands and puts on her best behavior. I know the guy was just horny and wanted to get some, but I still see that as an overall positive thing, not a negative.

 

[Warrior74]

Have you ever noticed how many pickup gurus talk about how having money can hurt you with women? I don't know how many times I've heard the story about the wealthy guy who goes to a bar, picks up a chick, and takes her back to his house to fvck. She takes one look at his very cool house and decides not to put out, because she now wants him as provider material instead of just a one night stand.

Now, I'm sure this does happen in real life sometimes. I just think it's funny that pickup gurus will portray being a successful man as a hindrance to getting women, when the opposite is really true. It's all part of the pickup industry's marketing approach: You don't need money, you don't need to look good, you don't even need to do anything because if you follow my system the girls will come to you!

Also, I don't see the girl's behavior in the story as being so negative. She immediately realizes she has a high value guy on her hands and puts on her best behavior. I know the guy was just horny and wanted to get some, but I still see that as an overall positive thing, not a negative.

LOL. Yup. That's exactly what happened to Tiger, Bret Farve and Kobe. Not to mention Magic Johnson, Joe Francis, Burney Maddoff and Bill Clinton. LOL.

I have a buddy who owns a chain of clothing stores, he looks kinda geekish, but when women find out that he has some extra coin, they put out. Its just the way of the world.

 

[Jitterbug]

I thought the only difference between a rich guy and a poorer guy in that situation (picked up a girl, having her back at his crib) is that for the rich guy, the girl insists on no condom because of some convenient excuse like she's allergic to it?

 

[backbreaker]

i'm pretty damn well off financially and i have taken countless women when i was single back to my place and wore ass out.

you have not heard about it, becuase poor people, always talk about who poor they are, and most people who are well off, are pretty discreet about the finances they make. at least the ones i know. nothing good comes of it. 1. no one believes you.. well it's not so much that they don't' believe you, as much as it is they don't want to believe you, because it makes them ask questions they don't want to answer and 2. if they did, if it's a guy they are going to be envious or talk **** or start **** becuase now everything you do is a **** measuring contest, shooting pool is no longer shooting pool, bowling isn't no longer bowling, now the guy insists on grabbing the tab just to one up you and impress everyone else, now his stories (just that) have to be bigger and better than yours, etc al my best friend growing up... like my brother, even took it so far is to try to **** my ltr he was so jealous 3. if it's a girl now you have to deal with a gold digger gone full retard. Telling a woman or boasting about your income is like going in a bull ring wearing nothing but red, you are asking for it.

your finances are apart of the onion that a woman has to peel off to find out about you. , i've been here for 8 years, I've had money for about half that time, maybe a little bit more, and while i mention what i do, there is not one person that knows how much money i have exactly, for good reason, it's no one's ****ing business lol. it's not like you can just walk in a bar and spot a millionaire lol and follow him lol.

any guy who has to go out of his way to let a woman know he has money or is worth money has no game imho.

 

[jophil28]

I have seen women in a bar sniff out wealthy guys like a Customs K9 sniffs out cocaine in baggage on the airport carousel .

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Looks.

Assets.

Game.


You'll need at least two. Three would be preferable.

 

[Colossus]

Universal panty-droppers:

Looks

Money (assets)

Status

Alcohol


Game, yes, but it's culture-specific. The above are universal.

 

[zekko]

your finances are apart of the onion that a woman has to peel off to find out about you.

I agree with this. I see guys who come into some good fortune and they start bragging to everybody how much they make right down to the dollar. I've always seen this as crass.

My parents raised me to believe that your finances were no one else's business, and I still believe that to this day. I took this as a lesson in humility. But no one in my family ever had any money, so maybe they were just embarassed about it

 

[backbreaker]

I have seen women in a bar sniff out wealthy guys like a Customs K9 sniffs out cocaine in baggage on the airport carousel .

and that's just it!!!

the women, you actually want, are like freaking blood hounds when it comes to spotting guys who are well off. you don't have to tell them.

by spouting out you attract the exact women you don't want.


my uneducated guess would be like it comes to dressing. guys who have no style, will go out, and go and buy the biggest emblem they can, be it a polo shirt or whatever the case, just to show that they wear name brand clothing and "can dress"

but a guy who can dress, who has real style, doesn't have to do this. it's in the way his clothes fit, it's in the way his clothes match, it's in the style shoes he wears with the pants/slacks, it's the way he perfectly accessories his outfit, it's the way the cologne he wears, matches his outfit perfectly, it's the way the jacket is a perfect cut for his body style. a woman worth her thought, can take 1 look at me and tell i'm fashion conscious and if she can't, she's not the type of woman i want anyway.

 

[zekko]

my uneducated guess would be like it comes to dressing. guys who have no style, will go out, and go and buy the biggest emblem they can, be it a polo shirt or whatever the case, just to show that they wear name brand clothing and "can dress"

but a guy who can dress, who has real style, doesn't have to do this. it's in the way his clothes fit, it's in the way his clothes match, it's in the style shoes he wears with the pants/slacks, it's the way he perfectly accessories his outfit, it's the way the cologne he wears, matches his outfit perfectly,

This is true. I dress better now than I ever have, but I probably spend far less on clothes than I used to.
I remember when I was young and inexperienced I would buy an expensive shirt if I liked it. Now I will pass on that expensive shirt and buy a bunch of cheaper shirts that are just as cool, or cooler. When it comes to your wardrobe, I think it's more important to have a lot of different clothes that you can wear, than to have a few expensive items that you'll have to wear repeatedly.

 

[backbreaker]

I still buy expensive clothes, but I stopped equating expensive with better a long time ago.

 

[squirrels]

This is true. I dress better now than I ever have, but I probably spend far less on clothes than I used to.
I remember when I was young and inexperienced I would buy an expensive shirt if I liked it. Now I will pass on that expensive shirt and buy a bunch of cheaper shirts that are just as cool, or cooler. When it comes to your wardrobe, I think it's more important to have a lot of different clothes that you can wear, than to have a few expensive items that you'll have to wear repeatedly.

I was out at a nightclub once and ended up talking to a girl who had just graduated from a fashion institute in NY. I asked her for some tips, and she told me honestly, men look best in a button-down shirt (tthat fits you well) and a nice pair of jeans or slacks. You can do that for relatively cheap. Or you can go expensive.

Whatever you wear, it needs to fit you...not just in size, but you have to wear it well too. A guy in a scrub outfit who wears it well can pull better than someone who's in an expensive suit that he looks like he's never worn before.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Women are a byproduct of a Man's success. Women should only ever be a compliment to a Man's life, never the focus of it.

 

[bukowski_merit]

Looks.

Assets.

Game.


You'll need at least two. Three would be preferable.

Looks are a big help. Assets i think are overrated a lot; especially by men who have them.

Regardless, you don't "need" any of those except one - - - GAME.

- Looks? I regularly get 4-5 out of 10 rating on picture sites (aka: im average at best).

- Assets? Live in a 1BR studio apartment ($500 a month); own my car (a beat up 2000 Taurus); have about $2k in other assets.

Yet... some magical way... I Regularly have 3 women who i fvck and others on the side/ons. Not many low quality ones either (some are); also none ugly.

I have 4 things going for me:
- I have GAME (confident and super sexual game).
- I write poetry, books, etc. Damaged poetry; think Jeffers, Bukowski, Cummings, Celine; not this new age corny rhyming bullsh!t. Old style; when men god home from the farm or factory and wrote with their lonely blood. Women seem to instantly fall for me after reading what i write. Understanding this - i'll even write certain poems knowing women will read them... Mention the time i fvcked the runner up for Miss Delaware or how a lot of girls can't handle me in bed. Their mood changes after reading my stuff. It's softens them.
- (this is it)Women become curious about me after seeing me out with other beautiful women. This i'm sure of above anything else.
- I'm content with my lifestyle and never budge a bit on the way i live it. A woman questions my lifestyle? I laugh at her for even questioning her king.


That's not to say i can keep women in my life once they reach the point where they want to settle down (or that i want to); but i sure don't have a problem fvcking them; one night stands or long term fvck buddies. I haven't had a serious LTR in 4-5 years; but don't need one; for now - i laugh, party with, and fvck women. I let other men chase the silly monogamous dream!

That's also not to say that in 20-30 years i won't be lonely, cynical, and broken; but for now - i live life with the razor.

And i understand not all can live the same life i have and have success. That's why i'd never try to become one of these guru's. But im just saying.... there are other ways.

 

[sodbuster]

It all depends on what stage a girl is in. If she's in her wild "do a biker" stage-bad boys win. IF she's past that and looking to settle down-money wins[not that we plan on marrying her either].

So much of this discussion is like a lawyers case. If he has the law, he argues the law. If he has the emotions on his side, he argues emotionally. IF he has neither, he talks louder and more.

 

[Warrior74]

It all depends on what stage a girl is in. If she's in her wild "do a biker" stage-bad boys win. IF she's past that and looking to settle down-money wins[not that we plan on marrying her either].

So much of this discussion is like a lawyers case. If he has the law, he argues the law. If he has the emotions on his side, he argues emotionally. IF he has neither, he talks louder and more.

If all you have is a hammer....

 

[zekko]

It was never my intent to say that money trumps everything, or that the wealthy guy will always get the girl. I'm just saying that being successful is an attractive quality to females, and it will help you with women, not hurt you, as some pickup gurus have claimed.

Of the three, Game is the easiest and cheapest to attain.

Not necessarily. I bet there are a lot of socially awkward guys out there who struggle with Game much more than anything else. Fundamental personality change is difficult for some people.

The great thing about trying to improve looks, health, and assets is that these provide direct benefits for you. So even if they don't get you women, you still get something out of it.

It all depends on what stage a girl is in. If she's in her wild "do a biker" stage-bad boys win. IF she's past that and looking to settle down-money wins[not that we plan on marrying her either].

Personality is a factor, too. Some women go more for different types than others. The pickup community seems to act like there is only one woman out there, and you have to do x, y, and z to get her. There is SOME variation between them, contrary to popular belief.

 

[bukowski_merit]

bukowksi merit.

all those things you mentioned are good to get one. but poetry is not going to get you a women unless you already have her.

I think you misunderstand. I don't write poetry to the women; i just let them read what i have already written. That is enough... I'm not too interested in discussing if it'll work on women for me, because i KNOW it works for women with me. Have never seen a woman's interest level go down after reading my work; but have at times practically seen her ***** shield get completely shattered from it. I know it works for me, but cannot say with certainty that it would work for anyone else.

And i've debated posting my poetry and writing a article about how i use it (it's essentially massive social status when women read about my encounters with other women in a passionate form.) But i just don't know if i want that part of me on here... But here's a bukowski poem, which is similar to the stuff i write (considering i pretty much starting writing poetry with him as the only poet i'd ever read; to say he's a major influence would be an understatement!):

225 days under grass
and you know more than I.
they have long taken your blood,
you are a dry stick in a basket.
is this how it works?
in this room
the hours of love
still make shadows.

when you left
you took almost
everything.
I kneel in the nights
before tigers
that will not let me be.

what you were
will not happen again.
the tigers have found me
and I do not care.

You see, i've never wanted to join the rat race; im content getting by; if i ever become wealthy - it will be on my own merit, for my own cause. I also recognize that i wasn't born with the face of an angel (Scar on my neck, mild adult acne, round face, patchy facial hair). I was "ok" with women early on; but then i got into poetry and it has become my angle. I am the loner poet character; i don't do it to get women - I AM IT! But it helps with women. As does my lack of fear of women; and especially in getting sexual quickly.

So from my story - you can have some hope if you're not wealthy and don't have great looks. Even if you have to find a different way in... You can find an in... Don't listen to the drums that beat the dead horse of "looks and wealth" unless you like the way it sounds... I don't and never did... And have bedded a lot of amazing women without either...

also if you fit the mold or kind of guy who has burtn a certain women before she just wants to give it back to you by messing with you.

Perhaps english is not your native language? I have no clue what you're talking about here.

 

[bukowski_merit]

It was never my intent to say that money trumps everything, or that the wealthy guy will always get the girl. I'm just saying that being successful is an attractive quality to females, and it will help you with women, not hurt you, as some pickup gurus have claimed.

Yeah, i understand. I've also read the "guru's" talking about how having money can attract the wrong type of female to you....

I see their point, but believe that if you're at a certain skill level - you can have the money and use it to it's full advantage.

The guys who get taken advantage of and frustrated - are the guys who don't understand women in the first place...

But yeah, original assessment is pretty accurate... They do it because it sounds good to unknowing ears to say, "You don't need money to get women; in fact - having money hurts you more than it helps you. We'll explain why on page 68."

 

[guru1000]

Game vs Wealth.

They are more often than not, the same. Sure, you have wealthy men without game, and low-salaried men with game. However, real game is confidence, and this is a trait most self-made successful men already possess. So although they may be mutually exclusive traits, the foundation of game is already present in successful men, although the understanding of game may not be inherently present.

Question is, do you prefer game as a result of genuine confidence in the man you have become, or is the confidence you acquired a direct result of the amount of women you slept with as a result of forced game. To each, their own. I agree a man's value is not quantified by his net worth alone; however, it's a significant factor you cannot ignore.

As in the above-mentioned post, you can argue both points depending on your present disposition. The bottom line remains, if you take 100 men with wealth and 100 men with game only, the former will take the prize home.