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I was just reading another post that tangentially touched on strippers and strip clubs. I was interested to know what people think about them. I mean in terms of:

Do you think they are good places to go? Or are they more frustrating than fun.

How about the girls working there? Just honest working folk or manipulative wh**es?

What about dating strippers? Any good or bad experiences.
 

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They are good for a laugh with a few of the lads... my only qualm is when you find yourself goin' there because you aren't actually gettin none, and it becomes your substitute... not good, then it will seem frustratin to you

The girls workin there will vary... one thing you have to remember tho is that these girls are actually at work, so it's in there interest to tempt as much as possible so that you pay up more.. it's not so much being manipulative, they just want to earn their money, same way that you and I would do in a job

Whether you could date one or not all depends on if you could deal with knowing that your girl is out doing her thing for all these other guys to watch on the regular... some guys can handle this, others can't and will be overrun by paranoia...

Best ways / times to hook up with strippers... go after midnight or so on a Friday night, once all the husbands have gone back home to their wives, and the strippers are generally satisfied with the money they've earned because its been busy... at this point they will be more willing and open to talk with you since they've earnt what they wanted to and have few customers... and if you can simply talk with them, as you would any other female, then your chances of actually gettin to dating a stripper would be much enhanced... a key to success is to repeat this every Friday, so you build up a rapport with the girl you have your eye on, rather than just going in on a one off as though you are just another customer... the chance of success then is very small indeed
 

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When I lived in Vegas me and a friend banged a few strippers we met in the strip club (Olympic Garden) during happy hour, middle of the week, when the place was slow. We'd go in the same day every week, about every 2 or 3 weeks, and after a while hooked up with some of the chicks who got to know us. It took forever but was worth it since we would have been there hanging out anyway! We never really tried and never expected to bang them, which is probably why it happened - we weren't trying.

Since moving to Phoenix I've had no success with pulling chicks out of strip clubs, but have scored with strippers I've met out in regular bars and clubs. I think they must have stricter rules here against dating or fvcking the customers compared to Vegas.

Great name Bud! You another disciple of Wall Street???
 

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since i've started reading about this site and other stuff, my interest in strip clubs has gone down a lot. Not that I was ever really into them to begin with (go maybe 1-2 times/year), but now I feel that they're really an expensive method to lure yourself into thinking you're getting something from girls when in fact you just come home really horny, almost always alone or with other dudes, and want to jerk off.

as for dating strippers, well i've heard it happens from time to time but as Ashley alludes to, you need to go at the right times.

A few years ago when I was still living in east coast we went to a strip club in west Jersey right across fromPhilly. It was like Thursday night the place was dead, only 4 girls working. One of them I'm pretty sure was interested in me other than my money, because basically I wasn't paying, other guys were, yet she was still talking to me (until a certain point, when they really need to dance, etc and not sit around and get in trouble). I'm pretty sure of this one, as she did not act like this around any other guy in the joint, nor have I ever interacted with a stripper like that ever again.

Anyways, this girl wasn't the hottest stripper but still pretty cute. Of course as a *complete AFC* I had no clue about how to even proceed, even though I recognized the signs. Looking back, I think just talking to this girl and looking her in the eye and not her boobs probably made a big difference. I'm a pretty good looking guy, but I'm shorter and very thin, muscular (think Japanese or European model build). So no way am I the big, burly guy... I wasn't even dressed nearly as well as I do now. Goes to show I think you don't need to have a certain look to succeed.

In any case, my view on strip clubs is this: if you go, go with like a huge group of guys like for bachelor parties. That way you don't get "into" it as much and just recognize it for fun, not a surrogate for meeting real girls.

Furthermore, guys, word does get around if you frequent strip clubs a lot.. I know you might not care, but many girls I know laugh at guys who go to strip clubs a lot.
 

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one more thing while i'm at it, if you date a stripper, well recognize that the reason many of these girls went into it in the first place is because you can make really good money without any education or work. So, also, realize that many of these chicks are after money...

also, it doesn't take a genius to realize that many of these girls who actually do go into stripping are a little (or a lot) messed up in the head. I don't care what anyone says, even that college girl who does it from time to time is probably a little crazy, and/or has some sort of personality problem.

Finally many other people have told me that some past studies or other have shown a lot of these girls have had sexual abuse or negative sexual problems/incidents in their past. Can't quote you on that one but it is certainly reasonable.
 

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Originally posted by Bud Fox
Do you think they are good places to go?
They are good places to separate you from your hard earned paycheck with the illusion of the possibility of you getting hooked up.

I avoid them as much as possible.
 

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Originally posted by DJinArizona
When I lived in Vegas me and a friend banged a few strippers we met in the strip club (Olympic Garden) during happy hour, middle of the week, when the place was slow.
I'm a huge fan of Vegas, even though I live on the East Coast. If you're going, you have to resign yourself to dropping serious coin to have a good time. Then again, if you're going to have a good time somewhere, there's no better place than Vegas (other than possibly NYC). As for going to strip clubs in Vegas, there's no real point. OG is overrated, and other clubs, such as Spearmint Rhino and the new one that just opened up, are about the same on quality. If you have a good physique, hanging out at the pool (Mandalay Bay or Hard Rock) will bring you in contact with plenty of hot women who, if they like what they see, will give you what you want without having to spend money on them (except maybe breakfast the next morning).
 

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Interesting replies guys. Thanks.

DJ in Arizona: Yep! Big time disciple of that film. Actually thinking about it Bud is a pretty good example of a DJ......

Well on reflecton I think I will be avoiding strip clubs. They seem like a bit more trouble than they're worth.
 

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Not all bad...

A few good points about strip clubs have been mentioned, and I'll add a few more. But first, let's say this...

Dating strippers is not an impossible feat. There's a few guidelines to keep your eyes out for, and one should also be aware that the strip-club follows different rules then the outside world. Let's get specific: Strippers get 10-20 phone numbers a night. As I know several intimately, I've asked if they ever return the calls, and the resounding reply is No.

So we've established ground rule #1:

Unless a stripper asks you for your phone #, don't give it to her and expect to get a call.


All night long, strippers get the same old conversations. "Baby your so hot" "Damn girl you got a nice ass" "Do you like being a stripper?" "Why did you become a stripper?" "How much $ do you make per night?" -- These questions are not going to win her over, and she hears them time and time again. Having had intimate relationships with several, I can toss a few suggestions:

#3. Talk about her feelings, without getting too specific as to why she is feeling that way. Find a topic which humors you both and let the conversation flow. Try to stay off the topic of her being a dancer.

#4. Dancer's put on a front, find out who she really is, how she feels about whats going on in the world, about relationships, etc.

#5. If she asks for a dance, which she almost certainly will unless you are so suave in conversation that she is breathless and forgets she is a dancer altogether, then you have 2 obvious choices. 1. Accept the dance. 2. Decline the dance. - If you accept the dance, you have a 90% chance of committing yourself to being her customer and have sacrificed your status as a potential date.

Decline respectively, by saying that right now your not interested, but possibly later. She might hang around and keep talking, or get up and walk around, but she'll make her rounds and eventually come back to you. If she gets called up to the stage to dance, you might go up there and watch, but you DONT have to spend money. Believe it or not, a lot of them enjoy just being watched, and also feel your level of interest because you made your way to the stage. Once again, you passed the opportunity for a quick thrill because your in it for the long haul. She may even smile at you or make eye contact with you while on stage. Sometimes they will even thank you just for coming up to the stage, especially if nobody else comes up because it is a slow night.

#7. Phone numbers - DJ's go for phone numbers, (refer to guideline #1). You'll see threads saying, stay away from getting the email addresses, however I would say that getting her email (make sure you ask if she uses the internet/checks it regularly) is better than giving her your phone #. These girls actually do get asked for their # quite often, so the chance of you getting denied her phone # may just be customary. You are free to try it after you have worked your moves, and you might have played a perfect game but still get denied her phone #. There is a major trust issue in strip clubs in general, and these girls talk to "weirdos" all day, so they may take caution in giving out their number.

This is the gray area, and must be dealt with on a circumstantial basis. If you feel the # if a sure thing, hey, your DJ, forget this thread altogether and work your moves. Outside a strip club, I would not recommend the email trading at all, but it may be the doorway and has proven to be a way.

One benefit to email is she will definetely see your message, and can respond without trying to get ahold of you during your busy schedule. You could even setup a date with her via email and get the # then, or let her know you want to call her up and to give you those digits.

Many would disagree with this method, and I understand the Digits or Forget it mentality as well.

I think sosuave has an article about hooking up with strippers, a recommended read for any who actually plan on pursuing it or happen to find themself in a club and want to give it a shot.

Happy Dances to you!
 

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They cater very much for AFC's.

I doubt even a DJ could get a stripper at her place of work, plus I can think of nothing more frustrating than a strip club, this HB does her best to turn you on and you can't even touch her, let alone **** her?

Plus they are expensive and the girls won't remember you in the morning, I'm with STR8UP on this one.

Lion.
 

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It's a great place to get over nervousness. If you get nervous aruond beautiful women, I'd highly recommend you frequent your local strip club until it cures you. However, no matter what, do NOT fall for their seduction. It is by all means POSSIBLe that you might get hooked up w/ a stripper, HOWEVER, the chances that you won't are much higher and it's not worth the slim chance. You will get fvcked over much more than it is worth in the long run. Trust me on this one.
 

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A little side note on strip clubs:

If you want to increase your chances of hooking up with a stripper or at least getting the digits, try bringing girls in the club with you.

The social proof intrigues the strippers, and some of them will make it their duty to try to pry your attention away from the girls that you came in with. They think that since you came in with chicks, you obviously AREN'T there for the women at the strip club, and this is pretty damn odd. Makes your mission of getting with a stripper that much easier because you've already captured their interest.
 

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I dated a girl that was a stipper, she was severely messed in the head. Dont do it if you want more than a fawk buddy or some STR, because they are fawked in the head. I was alright with this girl dancing, but it got old fast. All she would talk about was the creepy guys, GOSSIP about the other girls, and her problems....fawk that, get a real job, solve your problems.

What Luscious said isn't entirely true around here. I have gone to strip clubs with a group of girls, many times. I can't remember when the last time was that I didn't go to the strip club with a girl. Guys almost always bring girls to the clubs here. This isn't bad though, because alot of strippers are bi-sexual or atleast bi-curious and your chance of scoring a threesome is better.
 

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Well said. Bringing a girl to the club does help, but it can also limit your one on one depending on how you position yourself.

Try to leave an empty seat next to you so a stripper can sit down.

The night of the week you go on will play a major influence. Sundays have worked wonders for me. Busy nights require a girl to work as many guys as possible to make as much $ as they can.

One reason strippers hussle so much is because before they can even pocket the $ they make, they need to pay off their stage/gratuity fees. This usually runs between $40-70 a night, plus they pay 10-20% of their income to the club as well. That's a little known fact by most.

I'd like to second that strip clubs are a nice way to get past your nervousness of talking to beautiful women, and you may come to realize that a beautiful woman is still a lady.

I would like to say that you don't have to be a DJ to pick up a stripper in a strip club, but the effort may be more than it is worth. That however is something only you can decide. I have never gone to a strip club myself with the sole intention of hooking up with the girls there, but it has led down that road several times with different ladies. Just to throw some real life scenarios out there for readers: One started back when I was doing photography and I offered to do a photoshoot for a girl. Another was when a girl and I had common art interests and I asked if she would do nude-poses for still-life drawing.

Regardless, it is not impossible and can be a lot of fun. As mentioned, like most, they can/will bring some issues to the relationship which can prove to be overwhelming or undesirable. Those will be up to you to deal with if you so choose to accept it (James Bond Music in the background...)
 

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If you've got the game you can go into a club and hook up with a stripper while she's working. I've seen it happen.
On an offnight of mine (I wasn't trying), I had a stripper offer to go to a nearby bar with me on her break. We went but the bar but it was closed. My game was off and I acted a bit like an AFC and nothing happened. That was about a year and a half ago. I haven't been since because I don't want to spend the money and I've been busy doing other things.
I had a friend who was stripping and a friend of ours and me went to see her. A dancer at the club was all over him and gave him her number. He never called, because he had other things going on.
I think I can do okay next time I go to a strip club, I have a better understanding of the game. I'm sure I'll have fun, whenever I go.
 

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Beneath the flash and glamour, it's a female like the rest of the females of the world. They do have their defensive shields up because it is their job to please men, so they get hit on every moment they are in the club.

I usually don't try to hookup with every High Interest level girl in a strip club simply because it's bad for business (picking them up). I have found however that if you build a good repoirt with several of them, and they talk to eachother, you build up a good name and they fight for your attention. If you get past the "stripper image" they put out, and talk to the person behind the lace panties and sequin bra, you usually avoid a lot of the stripper advertising too. I rarely get girls bothering me for dances if I go in, but constantly get them sitting down and talking, or asking me to come back behind the curtains to talk (which usually turns out to be a girl on the lap or giving you a massage or something of that nature).

Are strip clubs the best place to pick up women? I don't think so in the least. It's a very tough place, but if you have good game, you could land yourself with a real knock-out girl who has far less inhibitions then most women.

Just to reinforce what i've said before, "Dont give a stripper your phone number. It's a waste of your time 99% of the time. Get her number, house & cell, and find out what days/hours she works. They have upside down schedules, and also sleep during the days following their work, so you need to know that info if you want to set something up. If she reallys opens up to you, and things are flowing very smoothly, set the date up right then and there, and find out directions to her place to pick her up. If you do that, your game is fly, you've got hotels on boardwalk and parkplace (For you monopoly fans).
 

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Originally posted by Sting
As for going to strip clubs in Vegas, there's no real point. OG is overrated, and other clubs, such as Spearmint Rhino and the new one that just opened up, are about the same on quality.
I'd say that's true as a visitor. The strip clubs on weekends are full of out-of-town girls who go there to work (all from LA, San Diego, and Phoenix). We got laid there because we were locals and got to know the local girls who worked there on weekdays, not weekends. There's zero chance of scoring at OG on a weekend!
 

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i go to strip clubs about once a month with a couple of buds to celebrate a deal we've closed. we have a really positive attitude and frame of mind and it shows.

i also go with totally AFC clients, who ain't gettin' none. i think i can write half a book on dancers (don't call them strippers, they don't like it).

i love to practice the DJ skills on these girls because they are TRUE EXPERTS in all that is AFC. you can also do some major mental kino on some of these chicks. MAJOR! (read below).

i'd recommend that you go there just to practice your convo skills--on a chick that wants your money, no less! i fvck with them, tease them, mess with them, in a very polite and humorous way. this gives you good practice in neg hitting hot chicks.

i rarely pay for a lap dance or VIP, just the stage bar. i always strike up interesting convo (i'll buy them their drinks though, cuz most have a quota). you should hear what they say about all the AFC's.

i never, ever, compliment them on their looks and body. i will also ignore the hottest ones in the place. go for the HB7's (this is by dancer standards). they are usually much more interesting.

i've gone out with several in the past. the part timers are the best, since they usually have a "real job" or are students.

the best way to approach it is this: go in there with the George Costanza attitude: THE EXACT OPPOSITE; of every other chump in there. you'll shine like a beacon. dress really nice, but casual. wear VERY good cologne, but not too much. SHAVE: dancers don't like stubble in their chest! have really clean hands. go with one or two buds at the most and don't get drunk (drinking isn't allowed in CA full nude clubs). wear really nice shoes. wear a really nice watch. a Rolex doesn't hurt either :) be very respectful to them and try not to swear.

you'll look like a million bucks compared to everyone else. word will spread about you and your bud, even if you're not shelling out the cash.

these chicks talk to each other in the dressing room! 'hey that guy over there is really cool, he's mine!'. or, 'that guy over there is a stinky pig'. or, 'i keep working on that guy but he isn't interested' (ummm hmmm...).

it's also really easy to make other dancers insanely jealous, even if they aren't really interested in you. you're having good convo with an HB9, and nothing more. the next minute, you're getting a lap from a HB6 and the other one is wondering, WTF? i'm way hotter than she is! she'll probably come back to you like a magnet!

if you think you might get a number, NEVER get a lap dance, because you become a client. this is why i rarely get laps in the first place. never treat them like sex objects in any way if you're trying to do a PU.

i love messing with them. they love it too. it's a really interesting vibe doing this.

honestly, i think every DJ in training and Masters should try to pick up a dancer every now and then, at their place of business, on their turf. not for smokin' sex, just a date.

think about it, these chicks have VASTLY more experience with guys than any other. they've seen it all off the job, in their normal lives. plus, they've seen even more in their professional lives. in this regard, you really have to respect them. it will definitely hone YOUR skills. you really have to seduce these chicks.

watch out though: most HATE guys. most are fvcked up. most are greedy little ho's. most are attention ho's. then again, read these boards on all the "regular chicks". enough said! but some are really cool and down to earth. enough said!

never get into an LTR with a dancer unless she agrees to quit. it's either ME or your dancing career. make the choice. this is why the part timers supplementing their incomes are the best. you've just given them a good reason to get out of the biz. they'll thank you for it, indirectly.

i'll go for the ones that say, "yeah, i'm getting out of it..." but actually mean it. if they've previously done it full time, but now part time, they're on the right track. a decent part timer can easily make 2,000 per month, cash. so, they're giving up some good bank.


Escude,
my interest has actually gone up! for the reasons outlined above. i love going to them. you're prying away a chick from making bank, just because of your charming personality. the hour spent with you, just talking, they might have been able to make $500. it's a valuable skill!


Charm,
Sunday afternoon and nights have been good to me also. also friday and sat afternoons before 4:00 too--this is when a lot of the part timers work.

MENTAL KINO...
and YES! some of them dance because they love to be watched. these are the ones you want to go after, since money is probably secondary. sometimes you can tell, just by the way they move and the way they look at you. make sure you give some KILLER, KILLER, EYE CONTACT when they're these types are on stage. make sure you nod your head and have a devilish smile mixed with a few big one's. the devilish one, save for when she's facing you, on her back, legs open, directly in front of you--with KILLER EYE CONTACT! give her a subtle nod too. if she puts her hand down there for some rubbing action while maintaining EC, with the legs opening wider, she's totally into it. if she doesn't do the same thing to another guy, she might be into you too! give her another nod of approval and keep the game going.

give her some subtle "hand signals" on which "parts" you want to see and what you want her to do (she'll probably do it). believe me, sometimes theres a powerful vibe going on, as if she's on stage just for you, and only you.

she'll come over to you when she's done and ask for a lap because that's her job. DON'T DO IT! tell her you'll buy her a drink (remember, this isn't a night club--these chicks usually have a 6-8 drink quota to sell and if they don't, it comes out of their pocket). then the convo and idle chit chat and don't mention anything about what just happened on stage. DO NOT GET A LAP FROM HER!

better still is to have another dancer (unwitting wingman) sitting next to you (preferably between you and your bud, very easy to arrange) whilst the other (target) is on stage. this way, you can make some comments to the wingman about "how she moves...she's sexy...she's got a strong vibe..." here and there. let your bud do most of the talking with the wingman while your target is on stage--definitely act disinterested to the wingman. don't mention anything about the target's body or how "hot" she is. just pretend your target is the most delicious burrito you've ever had. your target will notice that you're paying attention to HER and not to the wingman. the wingman will notice you're NOT paying attention to her, but to your target. believe me, they will talk to each other.

if you can swing it, ask her to go on stage again. if she does this, you both know what's going on and it's clear that both are diggin it. repeat everything i just said but with more intensity.

i've picked up a half dozen dancers this way. it's a very interesting dynamic, almost a hypnotic connection, and my buds help me out cuz most are married. all but one was really cool. a few times they've asked me for my number. try it for yourself!


fvck this was long--
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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