Street Fighting and Survival

[Chillisauce]

Haha, you're better off taking track and field for street effectiveness than Martial Arts.

For what its worth i haven’t been in a serious 'street fight', but i have been stabbed, bottled and beaten with many different objects and I’ll tell you one thing which you're best to remember. Size, fighting skills, strategies, how big your **** is doesn’t mean ****.. When someone pulls out a knife, you better run.

 

[flippinfreak]

No you didn't.

You know it

It ws only four of us, no gang involved.

Last night though was a good fight. Me and two of my doormen had to beat down three guys who jumped my friend last week. Funny sh!t, on of them was teaching me some moves at the gym just telling me where the collapse points are for muscles. We had the guys flopping around each time they tried to punch us...

When you guys street fight do you believe in being a good guy or a bad guy? Like dirty fighting, hitting hollow bones and kicking somebody when they are down?

 

[The Juan and only]

You know it

It ws only four of us, no gang involved.

Last night though was a good fight. Me and two of my doormen had to beat down three guys who jumped my friend last week. Funny sh!t, on of them was teaching me some moves at the gym just telling me where the collapse points are for muscles. We had the guys flopping around each time they tried to punch us...

When you guys street fight do you believe in being a good guy or a bad guy? Like dirty fighting, hitting hollow bones and kicking somebody when they are down?

I don't even think about sh1t like that. I'd only get into a street fight if I had very good reason to, or there was no other option....anyone who goes around looking for fights is fvckin pathtic in my book.

I'm not saying you shouldn't stay fit or practice martial arts/sparring etc, because that's an entirely different thing.

 

[flippinfreak]

Sometimes you have to protect your friends. You don't let other guys beat up your friends, than sit back and try to comofrt them. You avenge them.

You approach the people that fvcked with your friend, don't let people push you around, that's the pinnacle of AFC.

Who in their right mind would let their best friend get bullied in school if they could do something about it?

If your in Highschool and you see somebody getting bullied I hope you don't walk past without thinking twice.

If you saw a girl getting beaten by a man would you let him walk away?

If somebody has a beef with one of your friends, do you just let your friend deal with it?

There is a time and place for violence. I never seek it, I only use it as a last means of defense, and as a means to prevent future problems.

Of course I leave people be that never have to worry about violence, they have their place in society. I chill with big boys though, guys who got to fight for their life on a regular basis. Got any friends who've been crippled by people who DO look for fights? If you walked away from the problem, and your friend was jumped the next day would you care? Would there be any anger inside of you?

How about if your ex friend tells you about a time when a bung of little thugs decided to beat the sh!t out of him for walking in their turf with the wrong colours? If they ever came your way and tried to AMOG you and the only option was to fight or run, which would you choose? Would you stand your ground, or would you let them push you around and ruin ALL of your sets any chance you had?

I wish I could move to a new bar, or a new town and ignore the problem. There is a difference when it's your own backyard though, when it's your family, your friends, and your friends family that is getting beat down. When a new guy comes in town and decides he's going to prove himself by knocking some heads you don't let him go without knowing who's town he's in.

You probably think I'm a negative person, don't be so sure.

I babysit kids, I walk other people's dogs, I visit lonely elders, I chill at the library and help kids with their homework, If somebody needs a shoulder I'm there for them.

If some punk ever decided to beat up, insult, steal from any of these people, I'd put my life on the line for them.

So I asked you, if you were ever in the situation, would you fight dirty?

 

[The Juan and only]

Sometimes you have to protect your friends. You don't let other guys beat up your friends, than sit back and try to comofrt them. You avenge them.

You approach the people that fvcked with your friend, don't let people push you around, that's the pinnacle of AFC.

Who in their right mind would let their best friend get bullied in school if they could do something about it?

If your in Highschool and you see somebody getting bullied I hope you don't walk past without thinking twice.

If you saw a girl getting beaten by a man would you let him walk away?

If somebody has a beef with one of your friends, do you just let your friend deal with it?

There is a time and place for violence. I never seek it, I only use it as a last means of defense, and as a means to prevent future problems.

Of course I leave people be that never have to worry about violence, they have their place in society. I chill with big boys though, guys who got to fight for their life on a regular basis. Got any friends who've been crippled by people who DO look for fights? If you walked away from the problem, and your friend was jumped the next day would you care? Would there be any anger inside of you?

How about if your ex friend tells you about a time when a bung of little thugs decided to beat the sh!t out of him for walking in their turf with the wrong colours? If they ever came your way and tried to AMOG you and the only option was to fight or run, which would you choose? Would you stand your ground, or would you let them push you around and ruin ALL of your sets any chance you had?

I wish I could move to a new bar, or a new town and ignore the problem. There is a difference when it's your own backyard though, when it's your family, your friends, and your friends family that is getting beat down. When a new guy comes in town and decides he's going to prove himself by knocking some heads you don't let him go without knowing who's town he's in.

You probably think I'm a negative person, don't be so sure.

I babysit kids, I walk other people's dogs, I visit lonely elders, I chill at the library and help kids with their homework, If somebody needs a shoulder I'm there for them.

If some punk ever decided to beat up, insult, steal from any of these people, I'd put my life on the line for them.

So I asked you, if you were ever in the situation, would you fight dirty?

No, I agree with what you said there. You can't sit back while others harm the people you love...and anyone worth anything should have the conviction to fight and defend themselves, and to an extent, what they believe in.

It's just that you made it sound like you hit the streets every night, looking for gang fights or whatever.

Would I fight dirty? I might, it depends on what they've done, whether they deserve it and what they could do to harm me or my friends/loved ones. I'm not about to pull a knife on an unarmed, weaker man just because he's drunk and thinks he wants a fight.

 

[Chillisauce]

Funny sh!t, on of them was teaching me some moves at the gym just telling me where the collapse points are for muscles. We had the guys flopping around each time they tried to punch us...

Why do you continue with the bull$hit?

 

[WORKEROUTER]

You have to know how to protect yourself. Not so much as to go out and fight, but to have the confidence.

I'll always continue to train in martial arts throughout my life. I study BJJ and kickboxing right now and plan to continue training in kali and escrima eventually.

I also plan to learn how to shoot and use guns. Again, not because I'm going to go out and shoot anyone, but because of the confidence it builds.

 

[flippinfreak]

Why do you continue with the bull$hit?

What Bull$hit?

I'm making conversation You want me to lie about this stuff instead?

Do you want me to make it a big lie, or do you want me to talk like I'm a 'white boy'?

 

[Chillisauce]

If you had ever trained in martial arts or even been in a fight you would know that this is complete and utter nonsense.

'the collapse points are for muscles. We had the guys flopping around each time they tried to punch us'

Where are these collapse points oh wise one?

I've trained Kyokusinkai, Boxing, Muay Thai and Judo for half my life.. and i would be very hardpressed to hit a specific point on a muscle group , (should such a 'collapse point' even exist), through clothing, in a fight. So you.. someone who has never trained before , after being shown once manage to apply it in a fight?

So yeh.. i'm calling you a liar.

 

[flippinfreak]

specific point?

We call them collapse points because, you need like three pounds of levergae to make the person drop.

They throw their fist at you, just grab the fist.

You've got one second to think of five different places to apply leverage to to make the person collapse.

Where are they?

 

[Chillisauce]

i did Judo ... an armbar, wristlock or shoulderbar is not a 'collapse point' and takes more than 3 pounds of pressure to hurt. Plus they dont 'make the person drop', if the person resists you break their bones.

Care to specifically state these 5 collapse points?

Also, what qualification does your door man have when it comes to martial arts?

 

[flippinfreak]

Are you trying to argue with me, or are you trying to teach me something? I'm seeing grey, care to tel me what it is your trying to get out of me?

Fist comes forward... you can step forwards, roll into the arm, step back, step away from the arm, or you can drop. I enjoy jumping, but that's dirty fighting. While you are doing your movement, grab the persons shoulder, tug their elbow, push their neck, drop and pull, or drop and push.

I have no clue what an armbar, wristlock, or a shoulderbar are. I don't fight to make people hurt, I fight to make people stop arguing. So three pounds of pressure is good enough for me.

 

[Chillisauce]

Sounds like your just pushing/pulling people offbalance, which takes quite abit more than 3 pounds .

Thats perfectly legit though, how you manage to continue pushing people over without them getting a more stable stance/grabbing you and pounding you i dont know. Must be a fast bugger.

Your earlier statements set me off, i'm sorry.. the way you previously stated it reminded me of the old pressure points crap alot of people who watch too many movies believe in. 'collapse points for muscles' doesnt fit what you wrote above at all.

You should check out some bjj sometime, when you manage to grab somebodys arm you can do more than just push them over .. its pretty easy to turn it into a jointlock. And once you apply a good joint lock to someone they arent going to be arguing so much.

 

[flippinfreak]

I am a fast bugger I used to get compliments all the time in Highschool. These days I've got a rep as somebody you don't want to fight just because of my speed.

Yeah, me and my friends call them collapse points, what are they really called?

I've read up on pressure points, and they are legit up to a point. If the person ain't moving, and their muscles are completeely undeveloped, or aren't 'primed' you can touch on them... They don't do anything if the person is beyond pain and is begging to be put down.

I've never gone to more than 10 consecutive martial art classes. I was always preoccupied with making friends to spar with. My friends and I are into all sorts of different physical sports. Wrestling, capoeria, breakdancing, inuit games(two years ago before I stopped training I had an 8 foot high kick), shaoilin, and tai chi. So any names I have associated with anything I do meld into different arts.

My favourite training technique has and always will be 'sticky hands'. I believe that's the real name. Where you and your partner match a certain body part and try to throw eachother off balance.