Strange man-hating commerical

[WestCoaster]

I never expected the Big Brother organization to insult grown men, but that's their latest pitch at least in this area of the woods. I was part of the Big Brother/Big Sister organization in college, and it's a great group as men can show leadership to disadvantaged kids who have no fathers.

Anyway, the commercial shows these men who can't play basketball, can't coach, can't keep house with little kids saying, "You need me to help you," or something of that affect.

A strange approach, I guess they're trying to be cute or something. I'm not sure how making men -- who will be role models for these kids -- look stupid helps their cause.

I'm so numb to these commercials now that it almost doesn't register on my anger meter ... but I eventually came around.

If you pay attention, you'll notice adult men are being insulted about 99 percent of the time on TV ... and I don't even watch that much TV.

I know, it won't affect the DJ's here, but the constant man-bashing is having a bad affect on our society.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...I know, it won't affect the DJ's here, but the constant man-bashing is having a bad affect on our society.

Society will find a way to negatively impact itself one way or another. As for this issue, let the guys who embody this depiction worry (if they notice it at all). For the women who believe it, let them date the guys who are like that; they deserve each other. And like you said, DJs won't worry about it. Be the DJ that you are and you'll stand out from the stereotypes and that is a good thing!

 

[WestCoaster]

I worry more about our youth than adults. Kids are being brainwashed by this stuff 24/7 and most won't find the DJ site or anything that resembles this in modern society as they get raised by their single mommy.

I'm not worried about me, but the future men of this country.

These things can only hurt and that's why I e-mail companies to knock it off. I think one of my e-mails already got a billboard taken off the West Seattle Freeway as it was there for months and immediately after I e-mailed it was gone.

If all we care about is ourselves, we in turn hurt society. Rollo's book can't come out soon enough.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I worry more about our youth than adults. Kids are being brainwashed by this stuff 24/7 and most won't find the DJ site or anything that resembles this in modern society as they get raised by their single mommy.

I'm not worried about me, but the future men of this country.

These things can only hurt and that's why I e-mail companies to knock it off. I think one of my e-mails already got a billboard taken off the West Seattle Freeway as it was there for months and immediately after I e-mailed it was gone.

If all we care about is ourselves, we in turn hurt society. Rollo's book can't come out soon enough.

I hear what you're saying. I'm never cynical but I don't see how we can turn things around any time soon; we're so far gone now there's no turning back in this generation or the next. Understand to make the broadest, most effective change one needs to be taught what works at an early age. Fathers who are "in the know" will need to teach their sons so many things very early in their lives. In needs to be instilled in them before society and the media are able to have any effect on them. The problem is that how many men who are "in the know" are willing to have children during these times. It's slim pickings for women who are viable.

 

[grinder]

I'm in a strange position on this one. I have a 19 yo son who, yes, is totally AFC, now living with his "one true love". My 17 yo daughter and her bf of 4 years is a totally different story. He and she and many of their friends NEVER watch tv, and I must honestly say, have totally unique positions on everything you can think of. Yes, they live on their computers but their ideas are alien from traditional ideas on relationships. I have shared nothing with them regarding the DJ mentality, but, as you would guess, she is a natural, and he can spin his plates too. The are both fully conscious.

I have 2 more younger sons that I will share "the way it is" with them. But, you can't force anything, doesn't work that way.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

..I have 2 more younger sons that I will share "the way it is" with them. But, you can't force anything, doesn't work that way.

If you get to them while they are young, they're sponges. You just need to be the first one that they absorb information from. Kids learn the most from their same sex parent when they are given the chance.

 

[grinder]

It also depends on which "way" I interpret for them as well. Dad has female "friends" right now that "help" him and he need to "help" them. Too early for the "son, this is kino, it gets them wet..." LOL

No, I'm not missing the deeper point WestCoaster is making and will share that with them, that fairy tales really are fairy tales and not real.

It's tough though, the cartoons are full of this conditioning and it is powerful. Video games, same thing.

 

[insidious]

If you get to them while they are young, they're sponges. You just need to be the first one that they absorb information from. Kids learn the most from their same sex parent when they are given the chance.

Amen to that.
I'm already seeing to it that my 9-yr-old son does NOT wait until mid-age to see the light as his father did....

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

It also depends on which "way" I interpret for them as well. Dad has female "friends" right now that "help" him and he need to "help" them. Too early for the "son, this is kino, it gets them wet..." LOL

No, I'm not missing the deeper point WestCoaster is making and will share that with them, that fairy tales really are fairy tales and not real.

It's tough though, the cartoons are full of this conditioning and it is powerful. Video games, same thing.

I hear 'ya, it is best to ease them into it. The biggest thing to teach them is self awareness and confidence. I've found that when kids are happy with themselves they are a bit less susceptible to outside influences. After doing that you can use the examples of cartoon and video game characters as talking points of how not to act. They can still play the games but they know that they should conduct themselves appropriately in the real world.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Amen to that.
I'm already seeing to it that my 9-yr-old son does NOT wait until mid-age to see the light as his father did....

Remember WAY, way back when there was a time when kids looked up to their parents as role models. They could still do that today if only their parents would step up to the plate and fulfill the role themselves. Too often parents try to step in after the kids have been tainted by society. Talking about closing the barn door after the horses have gotten out.

 

[WestCoaster]

Agree with everything being said and that it is up to the parents to take charge. That said, the media is a tremendously powerful force, from songs, to TV, to the internet, and so forth.

I would say out of young men today, 90 percent are AFC, nine percent are mysoginistic, and one percent know how to respect themselves and women at the same time.

I just don't understand how the feminization of our society is supposedly helping men. It's helping shopping malls as women buy sh-t and married men put up with it, but it's not helping men in general.

I barely watch TV, so just imagine what the rest of it is like when I'm picking out dozens of commericals in watching only a couple shows a week.

 

[ElChoclo]

Thanks to Dr Farrell I always ask myself why a man is being shown doing whatever he is doing in a commercial.

The advertiser really only has two choices for most ads. Man or woman in the role. Usually anything contentious will draw the fire of some feminist, so they take the soft target, and make it a man.

 

[penkitten]

Remember WAY, way back when there was a time when kids looked up to their parents as role models. They could still do that today if only their parents would step up to the plate and fulfill the role themselves. Too often parents try to step in after the kids have been tainted by society. Talking about closing the barn door after the horses have gotten out.

it continues to amaze me how rotten some people are at being parents and how they dont do the job that they should.

 

[S1NN3R]

I never expected the Big Brother organization to insult grown men, but that's their latest pitch at least in this area of the woods. I was part of the Big Brother/Big Sister organization in college, and it's a great group as men can show leadership to disadvantaged kids who have no fathers.

Anyway, the commercial shows these men who can't play basketball, can't coach, can't keep house with little kids saying, "You need me to help you," or something of that affect.

A strange approach, I guess they're trying to be cute or something. I'm not sure how making men -- who will be role models for these kids -- look stupid helps their cause.

I'm so numb to these commercials now that it almost doesn't register on my anger meter ... but I eventually came around.

If you pay attention, you'll notice adult men are being insulted about 99 percent of the time on TV ... and I don't even watch that much TV.

I know, it won't affect the DJ's here, but the constant man-bashing is having a bad affect on our society.

Ahem, WHO FCUKING CARES? Jesus man, are you so much of a pvssy that a commercial ruins your whole day like that? That really pisses you off so much that your first thought is to come here and make a damned thread about it? WAAAAAA!!!! My labia hurts!!! Shut the fcuk up about it! I'm just flabbergasted that you would come on here to b!tch about that. You do realize that your complaining about the portrayal of men negatively makes you look like the pansies that are in the commercials which you are complaining about, right? Man the fcuk up and stop letting a damned commercial break your spirit like that. I mean sh!t, you're offended by men being shown as weak idiots, but YOU'RE the one who is all pissy about a commercial. Maybe the modern portrayal of men as pvssies is more accurate than we all think.

If you can't watch TV without getting butt-hurt over a damned commercial, you probably shouldn't watch TV.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

it continues to amaze me how rotten some people are at being parents and how they dont do the job that they should.

It's a vicious circle. Some parents put in tons of hours at work to "provide" for their children; to "...give them everything that they never had." :nervous: So then they have children who don't know how to provide for themselves. But the circle comes in when the parents feel guilty for not being there for their kids so they buy them more of the stuff that they never had as kids.

Parents have forgotten how it felt to see their kindergarteners run to the door to greet them when they got home from work; how it felt to spend time with the little ones and bond as a family (building their values). So now when the kids become teenagers they could care less whether they see their parents or not, they're use to being on their own; fending for themselves until mom or dad gets home with their guilt created gifts.

 

[Vulpine]

If you can't watch TV without getting butt-hurt over a damned commercial, you probably shouldn't watch TV.

That's how I go about it, not watch TV.

Sinn3r, lighten up on the guy. His spirit is correct: it's corrupting future generations.

He's not saying that he is hurt by it, he's saying that kids see this garbage and accept it as "how it should be". And I agree with WestCoaster, it's not cool at all.

Personally, watching TV does nothing but p!ss me off, so I quit doing it. Radio commercials started doing the same thing, so I quit listening to the radio. I'm so unplugged, I have no idea what's going on outside of my bubble.

And you know what? It turns out that I don't miss it, because I don't care, because it doesn't affect me. Talk about "live and let live" attitudes... and I think that's where you are at too, SINN3R. TV and Media don't affect you, so you don't care - why should anyone else care?

Well, you gotta give props to WestCoaster's moxy. He actually stands up to the BS and tells companies where to stick it. :cheer:

 

[WestCoaster]

Sinn3 -- WOW, you have serious issues. Lighten up man. Holy crap, you are one wound up dude. Put down the meth or coke or whatever else you're on. Lighten up. I know some woman probably dumped you and you're gripping right now, but sheesh, take it easy.

 

[Latinoman]

For the same token, watch commercials in which the main character is somebody like Shaq or Koby Bryant (before his rape allegation) or Alex Rodriguez or any other super star.

They depict them as SUPER STARS.

And watch some of the Hip Hop stuff that takes place. They are depicted like "alphas".

And people wonder why kids want to be like some of those athletes (most of which are idiots) and the rappers of our society. The reason is simple: in addition to having a weak foundation at home (let's be realistic, kids spent more time in T.V. than with a dad that is working his azz off), the reason is that the REAL GOOD ROLE MODELS are depicted as weak and AFC.

 

[wayword]

For the same token, watch commercials in which the main character is somebody like Shaq or Koby Bryant (before his rape allegation) or Alex Rodriguez or any other super star.

They depict them as SUPER STARS.

And watch some of the Hip Hop stuff that takes place. They are depicted like "alphas".

And people wonder why kids want to be like some of those athletes (most of which are idiots) and the rappers of our society. The reason is simple: in addition to having a weak foundation at home (let's be realistic, kids spent more time in T.V. than with a dad that is working his azz off), the reason is that the REAL GOOD ROLE MODELS are depicted as weak and AFC.

Like I said before...Black men do get very heavily pimped and thus enjoy a very strong social mating advantage here in Amerianized cultures. This is largely the culmination of ~4 decades of heavy, concerted efforts by the Black & Jewish male power movements that has won them societal protection similar to that of an "endangered species list."

Anyways, I agree that all these other man-bashing messages are very harmful and should not be watched or supported in any way. For example, I just saw some merchandise with this logo in the "girl's" section of a bookstore the other day: BOYS ARE STUPID, THROW ROCKS AT THEM! And people wonder why Americanized women grow up so hostile towards men??? And would a store ever sell a logo with "GIRLS ARE STUPID, SLAP THEM!" to young boys?

Grow some nuts and man up, S1NN3R.

 

[Sinistar]

I think it's cool that WC points these out from time to time. Most people are so totally programmed they no longer even realize it .... signal allowed to route straight to their subcouncious recording device.

I wholeheartedly advise Vulpine's approach. I have not watched TV (in my home, at hotels, on vacation etc) for almost 3yrs now. My only TV has been plugged for over 2 years. I do watch 1 or 2 movies a month and even then the social/hollywood BS is quite obvious.

The worst part now, visiting people who live for TV. I just sit there in awe watching them surf channels, volume cranked wasting their lives away. They are perhaps more stimulated by the challenge of figuring out if they've seen whats on the channel and then moing on that simply watching a single channel. I usually get restless in about 10 minutes and suggest doing something and usually end up taking off when it's obvious they'd rather waste their life sitting in front of a simple box instead of biking around the lakes, playing some tennis, hitting the bar or whatever.

I recently stopped by a friends to drop something off a while back. He was watching MNF and channel surfed to the prez giving a speech (first I had seen in years). Then the most ridiculous thing became so obvious, all the BS news people spinning things. "Now we cut to the Capitol Hill for another angle...". Blah!!! Hey the prez talks, no bid deal. It's the mindless people that sit and listen to these "news" people "tell" you what he said for hours on end afterwards.

It's not the network's or even the television set's fault, they're just doing what they're programmed to do. Funny, yet not surprising, how so many people can waste so much time staring at a screen who's content is probably 90%+ fiction or erroneous. And it's silly thinking about why it's so addictive. Visual motivation is strong in many people. TV also adds auditory stimulation. Then many people sit someplace comfortable and eat/munch away. That hits the senses of smell, taste and touch. No wonder people enjoy it so much.