Stop saying you can't change your looks.

[(hn)]

Isn't Wu Tang a rap artist? How did they get mixed up on this forum, do they actually post here???

 

[In2theGame]

Good looks make women more willing to accept your game.

Absolutely. This is Truth.

 

[ready123]

personally I like ElStud. he's got literally twice as long as a road to go until he gets to the point where everything begins falling into place, but he's out there getting experience and doing his hit or miss thing to see what works. the dude is out there getting rid of his approach anxiety. as opposed to focusing on looks or other dumb sht

the looks don't matter advice was always directed to the guy with limiting beliefs. looks might open some doors for you but ultimately your personality and core social skills take precedence. counter examples are everywhere. I go clubbing A LOT and I've rolled out with good looking 6 foot tall dudes wearing $200 shirts who spend 2-3 hours a day in the gym but in the club, they're following me around, 5'7 Asian dude, because they have no clue what to do. I've kicked it in social circles with the occasional 250+ lb fat dude who's literally the life of the party because it's totally outside his reality that his weight could even be an issue

go to the gym, get your own personal style and image when it comes to the clothes you wear, take care of your hygeine - these things will pave the road for you plus carry into other aspects of your life, such as your professional life and your health, but keep it all in context. if you suck with women, your core problem is not knowing how to run an interaction. these things won't fix it. so you dudes that wanna spend money on facial surgery or whatever are gonna be kicking yourself when you've spend all that cash thinking it's a magic pill, but still can't close because you're social skills are still fvcked up. but go do it anyway and then post an FR. maybe some noob on this site will learn from your mistakes

 

[bsthatcher]

First of all, you can change everything about your appearance through surgery

You can? Good one.

 

[SinJester]

I'm torn between agreeing and disagreeing with this.

Looks do matter somewhat but I'm always going to be a part of looks don't matter crowd. You see the better your 'game' is, or the more value you have, the less looks matter. Looks might get you in the door, but that's it. Unless she is shallow and just looking to pickup with a hot guy or something. I've seen lots of good looking guys quickly blow it. Oh the other hand if a guy has enough game or value looks just plain aren't going to matter. Extreme examples would be rock stars, but you see it all the time with cool guys in 'real life'.

Looks are one piece of a large puzzle. I agree that everyone should work on them. Keep fit, look after yourself, pick nice clothes, it really isn't hard at all. On the other hand no one should worry about things they can't change. Height and having a good looking face a a good bonus but in no way do you need them.

I find interesting that you bring up brad pitt in an argument like this. Seeing how we can't change out faces, except through surgery, and there is no way I would reccomend that. A lot of his appeal comes from him being rich/famous. If a guy just looks like him do you think girls will go crazy over him? No he will just be a hot guy. He might get noticed and he might get some freebies but he will still blow oppurtunities if he doesn't know what he is doing.

So good post but I don't think looks is 50/50. If you have looks you might get a bonus and not need so much in other areas, if you have those other areas covered looks isn't important.

EDIT:

ElStud's first post was really good. It was spot on. All of you are just attacking him because of his reputation.

 

[ChrizZ]

Brad Pitt couldn´t get a date in high school and even after high school he couldn´t get any. Only when he got famous he got chicks.

 

[ready123]

Brad Pitt is also married to a woman who can't stop adopting kids. The guy must be slapping himself in the head every time Angelina brings home a new orphan... like goddammit, another one?!

 

[ElStud]

Man if you keep whining about looks like a little b!tch then why dont you get some plastic surgery to look like a fvcking super model so you can stop coming on here and annoying all the members with your stupid fvcking "looks" threads.

Get a fvcking life, and go get laid you 31 year old piece of sh1t virgin

/rant over

Haha, this post is funny. HandyAndy stop talking. You have no right to criticize anybody when you made a thread where you publicly admitted that you were afraid of women. Criticizing when you haven't really done anything is just hypocrisy.

 

[HandyAndy]

Haha, this post is funny. HandyAndy stop talking. You have no right to criticize anybody when you made a thread where you publicly admitted that you were afraid of women. Criticizing when you haven't really done anything is just hypocrisy.

Hey, suck my balls yeah?

 

[Juan_Man]

When it comes to looks, the only thing you can't change is your height. But you can change your body and work around your face and accentuate the nice features.

 

[Flabbergasped?]

I like this new and improved ElStud who attacks people who actually deserve to be attacked.

I agree that looks aren't nearly that important, but it sure as hell helps a newbie to tell him to work on his looks. The slobs with HBs have monumental social skills, which they've probably worked on for years. A warcraft nerd isn't going to have that.

Working on your looks and social skills is part of the whole "improving yourself" mantra. I think ignoring the looks parts is shortchanging yourself.

 

[MikeYikes122]

This is a pretty good effort from ElStud. I will break down what he has said.

The thing is, you might change your looks, get a facelift blah blah and while you might be the best looking dude out there, you still might not get girls because your inner game and stuff is going to be messed up. And in the end, even the fattest ugliest piece of sh*t on the planet can pull girls, because looks aren't really a big factor. That's not to say good looks can't help, but overall that's not what decides if a woman is attracted to you or not, it's your inner game and sub communication.

I realize looks are a banned subject, but you pretty much nailed their place within game. Looks will get your feet in the door. If you are good looking dude, a woman will be more receptive to you approaching her, but you have about 15-20 seconds until that boost wears off. If you're a good looking dude but you have no inner game and you have no personality or charm, you're fvcked after that first 20 seconds. It's game over. You're going to get turned down just like wutangfinancial or any other short guy.

It's that simple. That's looks in a nutshell. But unfortunately, all the idiot AFCs and nerds on this board have to blow things way out of proportion and try to make excuses for themselves. They use their looks as a crutch because they're lazy and need a way to reconcile not getting off their asses and improving themselves. It's exactly like ElStud says, inner game is the ultimate decider. And the only correlation between looks and inner game is that often the ugly/short dudes have allowed themselves to have no confidence because they believe the myth that looks and height are what women want. That is the biggest reason why ugly/short dudes fail with women.

I am a good looking dude. When I was 17, I got a 9.7 on HotorNot.com. And guess what? I got just as many girls as wutang. Sure, I had more girls showing interest in me and physically wanting me, but I had no inner game and no confidence, so I got nothing from hardly any of them. Now that I have inner game, I will approach girls and they will see I'm good looking. I have 20 seconds before the chick bails on me. If you're not good looking and you're approaching a woman, you have to either reconcile it by making yourself good looking or finding something witty or entertaining to say to pique the chick's interest right off the bat.

It is this simple, guys.

Another BIG deciding factor is how reactive you are to the woman. And the average guy is super reactive which is why he fails with woman. Reacting is if a girl says "Um... sorry I'm a lesbian" and the guy says something like "Ooh, sorry, didn't know you rolled like that" or tries to make a comeback. The guys who "know it" aren't reactive because they're not insecure and have no reason to respond or even react to little things like that. And those guys get women.

Great point ElStud. The biggest difference between guys with inner game and guys who don't have it is that the guys who have no inner game will believe a woman when she gives a sh!t test. They will get weak and back off. But the guy who has inner game and confidence will always be aggressive and unyielding to ASDs or sh!t tests. A girl could tell an alpha "Oh well, I have a boyfriend." His response would likely be "That's great, but I'm not interested in meeting your boyfriend. I want to meet you."

What most guys don't realize is this, when a woman says stuff like "Go away!" or "Get away from me!" that's just a sh*t and if you don't react, you can turn her mood from p*ssed to happy. This basically tells us that women live in the emotion of the moment and this is why a girl can be p*ssed at you one second and love you the next. But average guy will say "Uh... Okay" and probably react to the girl.

This is where the wheels come off of this post ElStud. "Get away from me!!" is not a sh!t test. That is something you should listen to, because if you don't, a restraining order could be in the near future for you.

Overall though, good stuff from ElStud.

 

[ElStud]

This is a pretty good effort from ElStud. I will break down what he has said.



I realize looks are a banned subject, but you pretty much nailed their place within game. Looks will get your feet in the door. If you are good looking dude, a woman will be more receptive to you approaching her, but you have about 15-20 seconds until that boost wears off. If you're a good looking dude but you have no inner game and you have no personality or charm, you're fvcked after that first 20 seconds. It's game over. You're going to get turned down just like wutangfinancial or any other short guy.

It's that simple. That's looks in a nutshell. But unfortunately, all the idiot AFCs and nerds on this board have to blow things way out of proportion and try to make excuses for themselves. They use their looks as a crutch because they're lazy and need a way to reconcile not getting off their asses and improving themselves. It's exactly like ElStud says, inner game is the ultimate decider. And the only correlation between looks and inner game is that often the ugly/short dudes have allowed themselves to have no confidence because they believe the myth that looks and height are what women want. That is the biggest reason why ugly/short dudes fail with women.

I am a good looking dude. When I was 17, I got a 9.7 on HotorNot.com. And guess what? I got just as many girls as wutang. Sure, I had more girls showing interest in me and physically wanting me, but I had no inner game and no confidence, so I got nothing from hardly any of them. Now that I have inner game, I will approach girls and they will see I'm good looking. I have 20 seconds before the chick bails on me. If you're not good looking and you're approaching a woman, you have to either reconcile it by making yourself good looking or finding something witty or entertaining to say to pique the chick's interest right off the bat.

It is this simple, guys.



Great point ElStud. The biggest difference between guys with inner game and guys who don't have it is that the guys who have no inner game will believe a woman when she gives a sh!t test. They will get weak and back off. But the guy who has inner game and confidence will always be aggressive and unyielding to ASDs or sh!t tests. A girl could tell an alpha "Oh well, I have a boyfriend." His response would likely be "That's great, but I'm not interested in meeting your boyfriend. I want to meet you."



This is where the wheels come off of this post ElStud. "Get away from me!!" is not a sh!t test. That is something you should listen to, because if you don't, a restraining order could be in the near future for you.

Overall though, good stuff from ElStud.

Thanks, but generally a girl won't call a restraining order unless you're SERIOUSLY creeping her out. Point is, if you're unreactive to her saying "Get away!" you can turn it around. You have to understand women don't think as logically as we do when it comes to these things. They act off emotions and not logic. This is the reason why a girl can hate you one minute and be all clinging to you the next, because girls act off the emotion of the moment. I know this because there have been girls who hated me one day and on a different day, they would be trying to talk to me. If a girl said "Get away!" but you plowed through the set and were unreactive, it would most likely turn it around.

And again, she's probably only gonna call the restraining order if you're being really creepy or harrassing her. Whole point is, if a girl said that and you wanted to turn it around and even get her number, you could.

A good example of this is this Allie girl I know. I went into the set she was all "Don't touch me!" and stuff, but later in the set she was interested, because I was unreactive and didn't react to her sh*t test.

 

[MikeYikes122]

Suit yourself ElStud, but if a girl tells me to get away, I'm going to get the fvck away. That is unless she is saying it in a joking or half-serious tone.

 

[ElStud]

Just think of it this way... if you're not comfortable with yourself, how do you expect a girl to be comfortable with you?

 

[bsthatcher]

When it comes to looks, the only thing you can't change is your height. But you can change your body and work around your face and accentuate the nice features.

Even if sometime in the future, you could change everything about your looks through surgery to look like Brad Pitt's clone, it would likely cost tens of millions of dollars.

It's just not realistic to expect that a very ugly person can currently turn him/herself into a very attractive person through tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in cosmetic procedures.

There are only a few dozen practiced surgeries today covering only a few currently malleable aspects of a person's face and body, and even with those there are definite aesthetic limits as to the extent that each surgery can improve ones' looks.

Celebrities have been performing plastic surgeries for years and have proven that with today's techniques, even somebody with the money of Michael Jackson or Pamela Anderson cannot make themselves desirable again.

Just face it: Some people are screwed in life. This thread is a pathetic attempt to try to convince himself and others that life is fair.

 

[MikeYikes122]

Just face it: Some people are screwed in life. This thread is a pathetic attempt to try to convince himself and others that life is fair.

What a stupid defeatist thing to say. Congratulations. You have become one of the reasons why this forum sucks right now.

So should these people just commit suicide and hope for a better draw in their next life?

 

[ElStud]

^I'm not trying to be mean, but I don't think our situations are similar at all. You seem to be completely void of any social awareness. Also, you've had zero success with women. Why does anything you say have any validity? Actually, could you post a pic?

You know what, I'm not going to fight you. If you think you're right, you're right in your own mind. Do I care for your opinion? No, it doesn't bother me that you would say I have no success with women when I've gotten a ton of numbers. So think what's right in YOUR mind even if it is in reality wrong.

 

[stuka1939]

^there's some truth to this. I saw a girl a couple of days ago on a blind date, and her actual craniofacial structure was hideous....just hideous. That can't be fixed, not even in the age of facial transplants-her actual bone structure was too screwed up. That's pretty rare though. But it definitely happens. Most people can become average looking through surface level treatments, often with their skin...and as Stuka keeps pointing out, through dentistry, jaw alignment, etc.

Anyhow, I just saw the roast of Gene Simmons. You can't get much uglier than that guy. And he has 4,800 lays.

She probably had one of the very rare craniofacial syndromes like Pierre Robbins, Crouzons or Aperts. These are rare, like 1 in every 20,000 births or something. Surgery cannot completely help these people since their facial bones are so messed up. Then you have people who are ugly because of severe facial trauma or serious burns to the face. These people are also screwed. However, these people only make up about 1-2% of the ugly people population.

The other 98% of ugly people out there are either obese or they have deformities of the upper/lower jaws due to their facial bones growing at different rates. Orthognathic Surgery corrects this and it is very common, safe and predictable. It does not cost a ridiculous amount of money either....maybe 10K-40K depending on how severe your problem is. Sometimes, insurance will even cover it since having deformed jaws is a functional problem as well.

Sorry to go off the beaten path, but I find facial aesthetics very interesting.

Most people incorrectly think the size and shape of the nose is the #1 contributor to facial aesthetics. Nothing can be further from the truth.

It is all in the lower 1/3 of your face...the teeth, jaws and chin.

Look at the before and after photos of people who had jaw/chin deformities. Notice how they ALL go from below average/average looking individuals to attractive looking just because their jaws were the wrong size/shape/position.

http://www.drrichardjoseph.com/photos/

I GUARANTEE you, most ugly people out there suffer from a dentofacial deformity that can easily be fixed through this surgery.

DON'T FEEL BAD FOR UGLY PEOPLE!! 98% can be helped, but many choose to do nothing about it and feel sorry for themselves.

 

[HandyAndy]

You know what, I'm not going to fight you. If you think you're right, you're right in your own mind. Do I care for your opinion? No, it doesn't bother me that you would say I have no success with women when I've gotten a ton of numbers. So think what's right in YOUR mind even if it is in reality wrong.

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