Still not getting out of the friendzone.

ecvegas

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Hey.
Can I get some advice from you guys?... i'm lost now. I'll make it quick:

-matched her on tinder, on messenger gave impression of a fun girl.
-Denied going out, cause she's seeing someone
-needed help from school, i was the only one who could help
-we went out, i helped her out... we were out for 5 hours.
-next some coffee here and there, she does a lot of eye contact, loves to talk to me, we get along really good
-We went on a road trip for a day. Really romantic waterfall discovery and stuff.. didn't kiss her cause i'm a p*ssy. We were making a lot of sex jokes...
-Next time I try to kiss her, looks away... tells me she doesn't want a relationship. a lot of hugging afterwards.
-I meet her outside..get really drunk.. nothing happens.. too little alone time.
-She needs help for school again. Her friend comes by cause i'm really late. Afterwards we go to a bbq party where my friends are. We talk for 5hours, get drunk, big eye contact, I give her a gift, really long hug...she wont let go.. we hold hands, deep drunk conversations... then her friend decides to go home, she goes with her. Cant convince otherwise.
-everyone on the bbq party said she is totally into me, and that we acted like a couple and such...
-Today I sent her a pic of us from last night, she says she doesn't want to be more then friends...and that i'm pressing on her too much.. ignores my message after that.

What now?
Am I really pressing on her? We go out once a week, and talk on messenger 4x a week.. and that not really much. I ask her a lot of times if she wants to go out.
Does she give impressions she likes me... and that I and my friends are just blind and stupid?
Should I just say "ok" and move on?
Should I keep it cool and see what happens?

P.S. I really really really like her... she is gf material not just for sex.
Im 23, she is 21.


Thanks..
Few things that got you off on the wrong foot.

1. You offered to help her when "no one else would", or at least that's what she told you. Doing favors for women to "earn" her affection is a sign of low self esteem. A better come back would have been, " I'd love to help you but I think my hourly fee is too expensive, but how about grabbing a drink after".

2. You were out at least 3 times with no progress or kiss. Her eye contact was inviting you to do SOMETHING, but you didn't. You finally took her out to that waterfall and didn't make a move. She saw a man afraid to go after what he wants. You sealed your friend zone fate.

3. Your last shot was when she was drunk, but she wasn't even game then. Inexplicably, you then give her a gift, further cementing the fact that your trying to "buy" her affection.

Women like having guy friends. It shows they have power over men which inflates their value with other guys they are trying to attract. She isn't hanging out in hopes of "hooking up" with you. That ship has sailed.

When you talk and hang out with a chick 5 out of 7 days, yet aren't getting what you want (and she knows she isn't giving you what you want) you have officially obtained BFF status. You have lost any and all respect she has for you as a possible boyfriend.

If you want to get out of the friend zone you have one shot, but it will require some mental toughness and some discipline.

Now, here is where most guys are like "forget her and start dating other chicks" which has truth to it. You need to immediately stop thinking about her and start talking to other women.

But bottom line, if you acted like this with ANY chick she will friend zone you. So her friend zoning you isn't an indictment on who she is as a person, but more about the type of guy you were around her.

WERE is the key word.

So while you are talking with other women and being a more confident "you", there is nothing wrong with setting the record straight with this chick as long as her interaction doesn't mIndf*k you.

So...

You cut off contact with her. You will no longer call, hang out, or text her. This isn't optional, it's required.

If she reaches out to you, you need to come across as busy.

Her: "What are you up to?"
You: "Busy".
Her: "Can you talk?"

This is when you let her know that you think she is a really nice girl; but she made it clear that she only wanted to be friends with you, and that you wanted more (key word wanted, NOT want. Using past tense is key.) Since she wasn't willing to escalate things, you want to focus your energy on other women. If she asks if your dating anyone let her know that's a conversation reserved for your guy friends.

You've kicked her out of your loop.

She may come back with, "Can we at least be friends?". My answer to that is always, "Sure, were just not going to be BFF's or hang out. That doesn't work for me". No reason to be bitter. Just cool. Then immediately tell her you have to go and end the conversation.

Immediately.

This will come across two ways, either you have finally found your balls and now are confident in what you want and don't have time for her game, or that you have found someone else that is actually giving you want you want and she lost her spot.

You have now drawn a line that you cannot cross. No being weak or "missing her", no drunk dialing. No contact. NOTHING. IF YOU WANT ANY CHANCE IN HELL OF HER COMING BACK TO YOU, THIS IS A MUST!

Now, she will most likely try to reach out to you in the future, because women will always test someone that has shown weakness towards them in hopes that your previous self will come out. Also women usually revisit their past during insecure times to make themselves feel better, or after another guy has dumped them. They'll use you for this. So her reaching out to you means nothing.

This may happen the next day, next week, next month, hell the next year. But odds are it most likely will happen.

Just don't be that weak guy.

If she does, respond with a Hey. Any generic response by her after that ignore. Your done.

Now....

If she hits you up with "I want to talk" You ask her "What about?".

If she hits you with a "I miss you" that's when you can begin rebuilding sexual tension. One way is to respond, "Oh, yeah..what do you suggest we do about that?"

If she tries to strike up a generic text conversation, tell her you "Don't have time" If she asks when your free to text, tell her you don't know and end it.

Force her to want to see you face to face. If she doesn't offer, don't bring it up.
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If she never wants to meet up with you or doesn't hit you up with a "Miss you", I have some good news.

You have now officially reset the bar, removing her from your pedestal.

Crucial.

This can now go two ways:

1) You'll never hear from her for a while, possibly ever again- I say "a while" because you now have reset her memory of you being the confident and busy guy that didn't have time to play her games.

Odds are you may never hear from her again. But if there is ever a chance in hell for you TO hear from her, it's because you showed strength and she wants another shot at you. Any sign of weakness after displaying strength will make you look fake and you'd be done anyways. You have everything to lose being weak, nothing to lose being strong.

2) She'll continue to try and reconnect- UNLESS her text starts off with a "I want to talk" or "I miss you". Ignore.

Whether she acts or not, there isn't any guarantee. But rest assured because she isn't texting you doesn't mean she isn't thinking of the new you.

With all this said, you need to be out meeting other girls and improving who you are as a man and your skillsets. You cannot be sitting at home staring at your phone hoping she reaches out to you. That's weak, and you'll come across as weak if she ever does reach out again. Your 23 for God's sake. You have several serious relationships ahead of you, believe me. Your new found confidence, focusing on yourself and what is important to you; will attract another women who appreciate you from the moment of connection, because your now someone who escalates sexual attraction from first sight instead of buying gifts and doing favors to win her affection.

If you haven't learned this by now, you will always find yourself in the friend zone.

Talking from experience. Even got booty called two years after last contact. Women have elephant memories.

It's your ship bro. Take control of the wheel.
 

devilkingx2

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Hey.
Can I get some advice from you guys?... i'm lost now. I'll make it quick:

-matched her on tinder, on messenger gave impression of a fun girl.
-Denied going out, cause she's seeing someone
1. that most certainly isn't true else she wouldn't be on tinder

2. even if it was true that she was seeing someone she's clearly a slvt who is definitely going to cheat on him if she's meeting guys off tinder

3. even if it was actually true that she wouldn't go out with you because she had a bf, why would you even bother to continue talking to her past this point? she'd already proven herself either a liar or a time wasting moron

-needed help from school, i was the only one who could help
-we went out, i helped her out... we were out for 5 hours.
I understand helping someone who needs help, I do not understand going so far out of your own way to do so when there's clearly no benefit for you since it's not like you spent 5 hours alone in her bedroom

-next some coffee here and there, she does a lot of eye contact, loves to talk to me, we get along really good
I too am very nice to my servants

-We went on a road trip for a day. Really romantic waterfall discovery and stuff.. didn't kiss her cause i'm a p*ssy. We were making a lot of sex jokes...
-Next time I try to kiss her, looks away... tells me she doesn't want a relationship. a lot of hugging afterwards.
-I meet her outside..get really drunk.. nothing happens.. too little alone time.
-She needs help for school again. Her friend comes by cause i'm really late. Afterwards we go to a bbq party where my friends are. We talk for 5hours, get drunk, big eye contact, I give her a gift, really long hug...she wont let go.. we hold hands, deep drunk conversations... then her friend decides to go home, she goes with her. Cant convince otherwise.
-everyone on the bbq party said she is totally into me, and that we acted like a couple and such...
1. in the case of you not having the balls to escalate, you might as well give up now because you'll never ever get a girl like that.

2. in the case of you doing your best to escalate but her not giving you a chance, why are you still talking to her if there's no pvssy in sight?

-Today I sent her a pic of us from last night, she says she doesn't want to be more then friends...and that i'm pressing on her too much.. ignores my message after that.
if she wanted to be your friend she wouldn't be ignoring you.

and unless you want to be her friend, you SHOULD be ignoring her.

What now?
Am I really pressing on her? We go out once a week, and talk on messenger 4x a week.. and that not really much. I ask her a lot of times if she wants to go out.
Does she give impressions she likes me... and that I and my friends are just blind and stupid? no, yes.
Should I just say "ok" and move on? yes.
Should I keep it cool and see what happens? how has that been going so far?
 

devilkingx2

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-matched her on tinder, on messenger gave impression of a fun girl.
-Denied going out, cause she's seeing someone

she is gf material not just for sex.
???

P.S. I really really really like her...
why? she doesn't sound that great.
 

Infern0

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One of the earliest lessons (and hardest) that a guy must learn is that sometimes you just have to walk away.

Even for me who has been doing this for a while i still get caught out sometimes

I had a tinder date a few weeks back with a really hot chick who i got on amazing with, ended up getting her back to mine, however my "performance" was sub par as i was sick with viral infection at the time and could barely walk in a straight line let alone put on a good show, i knew even before time that this would probs affect her IL but i took a gamble.

anyways next couple of days sure enough she goes cold, and for a brief moment i found myself "persuing"

these habits die hard

but if a girl shows no interest, neither do you, it's that simple
 
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