steroids/DECA

[Templeton]

Originally posted by Kodiac

"Arnold ? I don't recall him ever RECOMMENDING them, in fact, i remember him saying he REGRETTED taking them. Thus, that's why he only took them for a short time and before his career took off".


What kind of Cloud-Cuckoo land are you living in? From what I've heard - not least from a top British bodybuilder who actually trained with Arnold in the 70s - he was extremely liberal with his usage. Other reports attest that he was using the gear as a teen. Do you honestly believe he was natural during any time of his competitive career and during the early part of his film career?

Also, steroids will not make your dyck shrink - where this crap comes from I have no idea. Some users will experience testicular atrophy due to the body shutting down production of leutinizing hormone during a cycle.

Most of the other side effects mentioned are the result of prolonged abuse rather than sensible shorter cycles with plenty of rest periods.

Ultimately the decision is for an experienced trainer of ADULT AGE after becoming properly educated in the subject. This is certainly not the place to find the information you need - nor is bodybuilding.com for that matter lol.

I too have worked with a number of bodybuilders who have used gear over the years, none of them have experienced any long term side effects much less dropping dead. I have recently been discussing the issue with a gym buddy who also happens to be a doctor and the more he researches the more he is of the conclusion that MODERATE occasional usage does not pose any long term problems.

The point about people using who may have other self esteem issues is a valid one and these people - usually younger guys - have no place in using such substances as no drug is going to compensate for a deeper lack of confidence.

By the way, for many, deca is a nasty drug that will hit the HTPA axis pretty hard and proves difficult to recover from. Not to mention progesterone induced water retention. Best avoided, there are far more sensible choices. Do the research.

 

[elvis aint dead yet]

"Arnold ? I don't recall him ever RECOMMENDING them, in fact, i remember him saying he REGRETTED taking them. Thus, that's why he only took them for a short time and before his career took off."



You obviously spend too much time in dream world. One of the advantages of using 'roids is they make your muscles and body recover faster so you can lift heavier and more frequently.

Like most natural bodybuilders, if you have great workouts the majority of the time, it takes a few days, if not more, for your body to recover properly.

If I do a hardcore workout for my biceps and tris on Sunday, it would be a waste for me to workout my chest on monday because i wont' get a max out great workout, no matter how hard i try.

Your muscles need to recover. A big reason steroids make many people gain mass, gain definition, etc, for those who use them correctly, is because you can work out a lot harder and heavier more frequently.

But the problem is, many people either take the cheap **** (these supplemental companies who sell products with 'steroid like names' but claim they are legal without the side effects. Most of this **** is marketing scams. Don't waste your money or time thinking it will give you 'roid' like results. Do Research.

The other problem is, too many people start using steroids too young, then they abuse 'roids', and then they overtrain and overtrain some more. And then they get injured and make all these hatetred reports about steroids.

Many professional bodybuilders are in their thirties, have been training for years, and many of them go on cycles. They gain weight and don't do as hardcore a workout in the offseason, then when the bodybuilding shows are near, they go on cycles and train more hardcore.

Too many unknowlegeable people, looking for the easy answer, take the roids, kill their muscles until they can't move anymore, and then they get seriously injured.

Problem is, with 'roids', you do get that extra boost where your muscles recover faster and you can workout more hardcore more frequently. Problem is, even if your body isn' t saying so, some of your joints can not take the constant overtraining.

Thats why many athletes and others who try for that extra edge, abuse the stuff without ever knowing, then they get injured more frequently.

Roids have side effects, everybody knows that, but you will gain muscle if you workout properly and still eat well.

But if your looking for an easy way to gain muscle, go spend some money on those Tricep, chest, and bicep implants now. For about 7000 bucks a piece, you can have bigger looking muscles. Why bother working out, because thats what most people who do no research, don't like working out, and then take 'roids' without wanting to work are going for anyway.

 

[elvis aint dead yet]

Oh and by the way, about Arnold, word is, to get back into tip top shape for T3, he used roids once again.

 

[DJLiquid]

Originally posted by vectorz
Don't listen to what these preachers in here are saying, especially considering that most if not all of these dorks have never picked up a dumbbell in their entire lives. I'm not saying you SHOULD or SHOULD NOT do roids, but keep this in mind -- More than 1/3 of all guys that I know at my gym that are under 30, are using roids. Today's competitive society seems to push people to their limits to look their best and A LOT of people are taking the short cuts. If you're not taking roids, you're sure as hell not going to look as good as these guys in the short period that you're working out. I personally am not taking roids either, but looking at it objectively even Arnold himself has recommended them. Only difference is Arnold recommends them AFTER you've already gained the muscle. I have a lot of friends that have taken them for a few cycles and quit but have a helluva great results from it, without any of the apparent side affects. Again, I personally have not taken them, but I'm saying you might have to be a bit objective about this and look to people OUTSIDE of the DORK COMMUNITY (this forum) for advice on it.

I am in other forums outside of the "dork community"...and I have nothing against the use of AS...I myself am still contemplating about running a bread and butter cycle next fall...BUT in DavenJuan's case...he should NOT be taking steroids...and if you don't believe me...have him post on the following forums and see what the veterans say:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=17

www.anabolicminds.com/forum

First of all, if a person is asking about the side effects of steroids...he is not ready to juice...second...steroids should not be used for cutting....they can be used to preserve lean mass (in DavenJuan's case he only weighs 175lbs...and unless he is 5'2" tall he shouldn't worry about loosing too much lean mass)...but they do not cause fat loss...for fat loss drugs like clenbuterol and T3 will be more effective...it is my believe that AS should only be used to bulk up...with an agressive lifting regime....and a 4000+ calories a day diet....people will be disappointed if the run a cycle without the proper training program and diet....

-DJLiquid

 

[Templeton]

Originally posted by elvis aint dead yet
Oh and by the way, about Arnold, word is, to get back into tip top shape for T3, he used roids once again.

Yea, we discussed this a couple of weeks back on the board. Let's be honest, Arnold loved the gear, probably still does from time to time and would never have got as far as he did in the bb world without them. Whether this in turn would mean he would not have succeeded in other areas in not so certain as he is such a driven guy and would probably have found a way to achieve all his success regardless. You gotta admire him. How many people have said they are going to achieve something and actually succeeded every time? I have no doubt he would become Govenor of California if he decides to go for it.