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You know what the difference is?

Women lie about what a "great guy" is. That's the reason why there are so few of them. You think if everyone knew what kind of a man they are supposed to be there would be a shortage of them? the shortage is engineered and kept in place by feminism, which also has mechanisms to help facilitate it like destroying fatherhood. To buy into the idea that things are as difficult for women as it is for men is to buy into one of the propaganda lies of the feminist narrative. As we can see here, the propaganda is highly effective.
Great post. Anybody claiming it's as hard on women as it is on men is delusional. Yeah, it's hard for women to find a "great guy" because every chunky HB6 wants a guy who is 6'4", shredded, makes $100,000 a year, nice car, great sense of humor, who loves her for "who she is" and doesn't just "use her for sex."

When you actually compares apples to apples, i.e. the number of options an HB6 has to attract a 6-SMV male, she has hundreds just in her immediate social circle.
 

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Great post. Anybody claiming it's as hard on women as it is on men is delusional. Yeah, it's hard for women to find a "great guy" because every chunky HB6 wants a guy who is 6'4", shredded, makes $100,000 a year, nice car, great sense of humor, who loves her for "who she is" and doesn't just "use her for sex."

When you actually compares apples to apples, i.e. the number of options an HB6 has to attract a 6-SMV male, she has hundreds just in her immediate social circle.
Don't forget that he must love her for "who she is" even though she covers "who she is" up with a facade of make-up to inflate her SMV. Of course, it's either mens' fault that she does so when they do effectively admit they use it to inflate SMV, or "I don't do it for men" when they don't want to admit that's the most significant reason yet. If women stopped using fake hair, fake poses, fake lighting, fake face paint, fake everything - that I don't know why some guys advocate them using - you would see somewhat of a coming down to reality (on the part of mens' evaluations of women). Oh, and she will tell whatever lie is necessary to keep an objective view of "who she is" from coming to the knowledge of the man, if she thinks him having a truthful picture of her would prevent her from using him for what she needs. But it's necessary to lie to him because she looooooves him and just wanted them to be happy.
 
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I agree with this, but the reason that we pulled through as a people back then was because we first acknowledged that a problem actually existed, then we pulled our resources together with focused effort to tackle with solutions.

Most of the guys on this forum refuse to even ACKNOWLEDGE that the structural and other problems I'm discussing even exist, thus, we aren't even coming together as they did in prior times to put out the flames before they turn into full-fledged forest fires.

If we keep going the way we are, we are going to WAKE UP one day and everything around us will be burning.
That's why i made this post. I see threads like this almost everywhere in the forums but nobody takes charge and makes a statement on how one should treat this kind of things. I see only complaints, complaints and complaints about our everyday reality.

And no i don't think that most of the SS members don't acknowledge this problem , at least the old members if not all.
What i have not seen yet in these kind of threads is what kind of solution exist to take care of the issue?

And no , the dj mindset is not just a dream , at least the basic disciplines are true and work if executed correctly.

Thinking of the worse it's fine as long as it is reasonable and you can come with a solution for it. I'm not saying just thinking positive it will "stop the comet crash on to the earth" but the whole mindset behind the positive thinking is different from what you believe and it's quite important for completing difficult tasks.
 

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The Book of Pook and the bible were written years ago when the climate was nowhere near as bad as it is today. The social deterioration since they were written has been massive in depth and scope.

What we need to do is to strive to understand what has been going on and what is going on today, and this requires discussion. However, limiting discussion to complaints is folly and works against us. We need to continue to devise strategies and paradigms in order to reclaim the authority that is our birthright.

I can see that around the world men are slowly waking up to reality, and SoSuave deserves a lot of the credit for raising the awareness of men. It is not practical for us to hate and despise women... just as we can't hate and despise children who have been brought up to be disrespectful brats. In both cases, they are unaware and are acting out, except for the few diamonds out there who have been only slightly affected by the media's damage.

However, I always maintain that we MUST, at all costs, hold women responsible for their behavior. This lack of demanding female accountability by men has been the very weakness that allowed the spark of feminism to become the raging inferno that it now is.

Hopefully this forum and others like it will continue to awaken men to reality, and once the inevitable anger phase has run its course, that these men will take part in finding solutions to the challenges we face. Things are in fact absurdly bad out there. The fact that this site has to exist at all (and believe me, it does have to exist), is an absurdity in and of itself. Imagine what the men of the early to mid 20th century would have thought had they seen the future. It would be shocking beyond comprehension to them what has happened to women and the need for sites to train men how to deal with women.

Did women always have these tendencies? Absolutely. No question whatsoever. But the sad truth is that in all ages past these tendencies were controlled and contained by men, the authority of the earth. Again I state my analogy... women are the stormy, chaotic ocean, and men are the limiting rocky shoreline.

Weak men (fearful of rejection and desiring political votes from women) removed themselves from their place of authority and the "ocean" flooded the landscape and character-wise became a thin, stagnant puddle millions of miles wide and with virtually no depth.

Like Bruce Lee said, water can flow and water can crash. We have allowed it to flow and crash over us because our recent forefathers' own will essentially flowed back in fearful retreat.

I agree that simply complaining is counter-productive, however we need to identify reality and deal with it. Education is key.

I've identified three types of men here. The pump and dump guys who care only about their own sense of power (these will eventually recognize how this dissipates them), the relationship guys who want to find a decent girl, and the ones who believe that we have the power to create an effective counterforce to the one that has been beating men down for the past 50 years. It's no secret which one I belong to.

Of course the noobs that come here are going to go through the phases that they must go through, and one of those phases is often the "all women are sh!t" phase. We who have been here for a while can choose to educate them and help them through the phases rather than ridicule them. The more men who are enlightened, the better and the sooner critical mass will be attained.

Only two forces can possibly turn social dynamics to a degree of normalcy. One is all-out nuclear war. This will eliminate feminism. If you want to find some nice, submissive women, go out gaming after the blast. Of course, we think and hope that this is an unlikely scenario. It goes without saying that it is least desirable. The other is encouraging men to discuss and educate each other, and then to take that knowledge out into the real world and effect change. Once critical mass of awareness is reached (and our numbers are certainly increasing), men will start to take the almighty PUSS off the pedestal and will re-take the world.
Outstanding post, AS.

I was a regular here for about 10 years. I "retired" a year ago from moderating and SoSuave in general. There was always an ebb and flow to the tone around here, but at the end of the day there is still nothing new under the sun.

The same noobs come here and ask the same questions, and go though the same bitterness and "women are sh!t" phase, then sort of segregate into their respective camps---the self-serving pump and dumpers, the guys who accept the world for what it is and just want a quality relationship, and the optimists who think we can exact some measurable change in culture.

I agree with your central philosophy that we must hold women accountable for their behavior, and that this is the real root of the masculine/feminine degradation we have seen over the last few decades. And honestly, after a year away from SoSuave---with any bias now removed---I don't see much meaningful change out there in the wide world. Guys are still putting (pretty) girls up on that proverbial pedestal, men in relationships are still falling into the subservient "she's the boss" role, and women are even MORE bold, dominant, and outlandish in their behavior. The act crass, make a scene to varying degrees, and disrespect their men. And we tolerate it!!

I'm now a happily married guy---but I also think I CHOSE right. It is so much easier to live your natural masculine role in a relationship when you are working with a 'thoroughbred' submissive woman and not some caustic modern feminist (whatever the fvck that means anymore) with loads of deep baggage. You aren't fighting this perpetual uphill battle or stuck in a soul-sucking war of attrition.

Call me a cynic but I personally don't think we can exert any change beyond the individual women we choose, and how we deal with them. That's really my philosophy in a nutshell; after years of dating, laying, horrendous relationships, a book and now a marriage. I'm just one guy though!
 

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Great post. Anybody claiming it's as hard on women as it is on men is delusional. Yeah, it's hard for women to find a "great guy" because every chunky HB6 wants a guy who is 6'4", shredded, makes $100,000 a year, nice car, great sense of humor, who loves her for "who she is" and doesn't just "use her for sex."

When you actually compares apples to apples, i.e. the number of options an HB6 has to attract a 6-SMV male, she has hundreds just in her immediate social circle.

And guys that live in their mom's basement and play video games and smoke weed all day feel entitled to have a HB8. I'm not even joking, I see it everyday.

And speaking of the HB6, yes they can get laid by men who are in a league above them, but these men pump and dump these women. At the end of the day, the women end up unhappy. The man is unhappy because he can't get laid, the woman is unhappy because she can't find a guy willing to invest in her. Both are just as unhappy, but in different ways.

I've always believed that people who are single for a long period of time (unless you choose to be) are single because they try to date out of their league. Few people can look themselves in the mirror and objectively assess themselves. Remember, the average is a 5, so half are below that and half are above that. The majority of people believe they are above a 5.

If you want a HB8, you have to be among the top 20% of men out there. If you're not getting HB8's, the dating market is saying loud and clear you are not in the top 20% of men.
 

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And guys that live in their mom's basement and play video games and smoke weed all day feel entitled to have a HB8. I'm not even joking, I see it everyday.

And speaking of the HB6, yes they can get laid by men who are in a league above them, but these men pump and dump these women. At the end of the day, the women end up unhappy. The man is unhappy because he can't get laid, the woman is unhappy because she can't find a guy willing to invest in her. Both are just as unhappy, but in different ways.

I've always believed that people who are single for a long period of time (unless you choose to be) are single because they try to date out of their league. Few people can look themselves in the mirror and objectively assess themselves. Remember, the average is a 5, so half are below that and half are above that. The majority of people believe they are above a 5.

If you want a HB8, you have to be among the top 20% of men out there. If you're not getting HB8's, the dating market is saying loud and clear you are not in the top 20% of men.
I wonder what's evaluated when "objectively" settling for a 1-10 score. I have the perception that in a large number of cases it's highly superficial, this means many don't even get the chance and time to display their qualities. There's also the issue of objectively evaluating people, it implies that everyone will have to agree on the same as is the case for anything to be objective. Self-evaluation doesn't count for sh!t if everyone else disagrees, so what's objective Self-evaluation then? What everyone else thinks of you? What if that's not good, what if everyone thinks you look like sh!t? Do you then go along with being tossed around and massively influenced by what others want you to look like? That won't work, because you'll eventually become fed up by it since people's judgement about others varies wildly and is extremely subjective.
 
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