Squat form help

[spesmilitis]

I've been trying to keep my prevent my butt from tucking under when I get to the bottom of the squat. Do do this, I keep my shoulders back and down and my chest up. It also turns out that I need to drift a little past my toes when I got down http://www.t-nation.com/readArticle.do;jsessionid=DAF5195D5AEB12F026FC30959F405DE0.hydra?id=603563

Throwing these two factors in, I am not sure where the perfect form is any more. There are variations to how down to go, how far my knees can go past my toes, at what point is my neutral arche is lost.

One theory about where my perfect form is: as long was my weight is placed over heels, it doesn't matter how far my knees drift past my toes. I figured this out from this post by stronglifts:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=131495
"From a biomechanical standpoint, the patellar tendon isn’t at risk to injury until the shins start tilting forward at a considerable angle (i.e. weight is being pushed near the balls of the feet, not the heels)"
-Brent

If I am correct, then my form issues are resolved.

Thoughts?

 

[stronglifts]

If you want to go down, you need to do a high bar olympic squat. High bar has a more upright position, which makes it easier to go deep.

About the "knees should not go past the toes". If you want to go deep, you'll have to let your knees go past your toes. Take it easy, start light, build weight gradually from workout to workout. Knee will adapt. Weightlifters always have their knees coming in front of their toes during clean/snatch positions.

And if after doing all of that your butt still tucks under: stop the rom. You're just going to deep.

 

[Quagmire911]

Spes it pains me to see you analzying this much. Stronglifts, warboss, effort and myself (however much that counts) have given plenty of advice on squatting and getting your numbers up.

IF you really find that technique is an issue, then my honest opinion would be this: BOX SQUATS

Nothing helped my numbers more, perhaps bar widowmakers.

With the box you'll squatting properly in no time and your poundages will fly through the roof-assuming you stick to it. Also if you have the box at 2-3" below parallel, you go to the same depth everytime and don't need to worry about what depth you are going to. It is also training all the muscles involved in the squat.

Let me no if you are interested and I will link to a good article.

You really need to stop thinking so much and just get your numbers moving. Stop questioning everything and chopping and changing. Stick with something and give it a chance.

Quagmire

Ps-You do realise that in the t-nation article he is saying your knees SHOULD go past your toes?

 

[spesmilitis]

It seems that form for any sport is dependent on the technical and instinctual parts of the mind, and so far i've been way too biased towards the technical aspects.

I'm going to clear my mind and let my body do most of the feeling for a while , and then get back to my detailed analysis after I've put a good amount of weight on my squats.

Thanks for the advice guys.