Sports Car Stick shift or automatic?

[user43770]

Automatics allow you to do other things while driving, such as rocking out to the radio, texting, talking on the phone, finishing a business call, eating, fingering a chick in the passenger seat, or getting head from the chick in the passenger seat.

I hate drivers like you.

 

[Skyline]

There's not just automatics anymore. There is CVT and dual clutch. Cars like the Nissan GT-R, most Ferrari's and lambo's, all have dual clutch transmissions.

Dual clutch is cheap and easy to maintain, similar to a manual, but when it goes out, you do need 2 clutches.

CVT is pretty new technology, it uses a planet-system thing or something. Repairs are similar to an auto. CVT is more optimized for MPG stuff.

Automatic is fine but if something goes wrong then it's basically pull the entire transmission- most just swap in a used one.

Manual is cheap to maintain... The reason being is if the clutch begins to slip, you have to replace it or it won't run. That is your insurance for your transmission so no replacing the entire transmission.

If an auto/CVT goes out, your transmission is basically done if you get to the point where it doesn't start because of it.

But automatics will generally last longer simply because you are not manually moving the clutch. But someone who knows how to move the clutch properly should out last any auto.

Auto's and CVT are also more complicated compared to manual or dual clutch auto.

Shifting in a dual clutch is a lot faster compared to a CVT or a traditional automatic. But automatics in the C7 'vette and the Hellcat's can actually be good too... It really depends on how much $$$ manufactures spent on it.

I've owned 2 manual cars and it's a nice insurance for anti theft and my transmission. If I lived in a busy city I would probably go auto and build the transmission.

@Tenacity

The reason for auto vs manual in Camaro's is because of AFM and VVT. They stand for 'active fuel management' and 'Variable Valve timing.' These are only in the automatics.

AFM will shut half your engine off if you're driving around slowly. If you're V8, you don't actually have an LS3. You have an L99, the biggest difference is the heads, and crap lifters. That's why some v8 owners can get 20+ MPG in the city. Massive power difference as well.

Also, the only 5th gen Camaro that came with 500HP is the Z/28.

 

[Tenacity]

There's not just automatics anymore. There is CVT and dual clutch. Cars like the Nissan GT-R, most Ferrari's and lambo's, all have dual clutch transmissions.

Dual clutch is cheap and easy to maintain, similar to a manual, but when it goes out, you do need 2 clutches.

CVT is pretty new technology, it uses a planet-system thing or something. Repairs are similar to an auto. CVT is more optimized for MPG stuff.

Automatic is fine but if something goes wrong then it's basically pull the entire transmission- most just swap in a used one.

Manual is cheap to maintain... The reason being is if the clutch begins to slip, you have to replace it or it won't run. That is your insurance for your transmission so no replacing the entire transmission.

If an auto/CVT goes out, your transmission is basically done if you get to the point where it doesn't start because of it.

But automatics will generally last longer simply because you are not manually moving the clutch. But someone who knows how to move the clutch properly should out last any auto.

Auto's and CVT are also more complicated compared to manual or dual clutch auto.

Shifting in a dual clutch is a lot faster compared to a CVT or a traditional automatic. But automatics in the C7 'vette and the Hellcat's can actually be good too... It really depends on how much $$$ manufactures spent on it.

I've owned 2 manual cars and it's a nice insurance for anti theft and my transmission. If I lived in a busy city I would probably go auto and build the transmission.

@Tenacity

The reason for auto vs manual in Camaro's is because of AFM and VVT. They stand for 'active fuel management' and 'Variable Valve timing.' These are only in the automatics.

AFM will shut half your engine off if you're driving around slowly. If you're V8, you don't actually have an LS3. You have an L99, the biggest difference is the heads, and crap lifters. That's why some v8 owners can get 20+ MPG in the city. Massive power difference as well.

Also, the only 5th gen Camaro that came with 500HP is the Z/28.

Yeah bro my Camaro now is getting nearly 400 HP after some mods to it. I'm getting the 6th Gen Camaro and with mods, I think I can get close to 500 HP. I'm getting the 6th Gen Camaro either next year or in 2019. I'm trying to decide on if I should get the convertible option or not. I HATE that black hood though.

The Camaro has been a great car selection. You get a lot of features/benefits for a good price. Also I get compliments on the car where-ever I go and chicks love it.

 

[Skyline]

Yeah bro my Camaro now is getting nearly 400 HP after some mods to it. I'm getting the 6th Gen Camaro and with mods, I think I can get close to 500 HP. I'm getting the 6th Gen Camaro either next year or in 2019. I'm trying to decide on if I should get the convertible option or not. I HATE that black hood though.

The Camaro has been a great car selection. You get a lot of features/benefits for a good price. Also I get compliments on the car where-ever I go and chicks love it.

The 6th gen's got the LT1 if you go V8(same V8 in the C7 vettes). The only difference is that it's a lot higher compression so superchargerd/turbos have to crank up the boost...

I have a 2012 Camaro SS with full bolt ons and a tune. I'm nearing 500 at the crank already and planning on going cammed soon. I'll be in the mid 500's after the cam.

I like how the front and sides of the 6th gens look but the rear is ugly... And since it uses the same piston rings as the LS3, yet higher compression, I can't get 700(640ish whp) at the crank at 8 PSI. I would need 11 or 12 which is dangerously high... 600+ whp is enough to get me into the deep 10's with proper suspension!

GM really stepped their game up with the reliability of their performance cars though.

 

[Reyaj]

There's not just automatics anymore. There is CVT and dual clutch. Cars like the Nissan GT-R, most Ferrari's and lambo's, all have dual clutch transmissions.

Dual clutch is cheap and easy to maintain, similar to a manual, but when it goes out, you do need 2 clutches.

CVT is pretty new technology, it uses a planet-system thing or something. Repairs are similar to an auto. CVT is more optimized for MPG stuff.

Automatic is fine but if something goes wrong then it's basically pull the entire transmission- most just swap in a used one.

Manual is cheap to maintain... The reason being is if the clutch begins to slip, you have to replace it or it won't run. That is your insurance for your transmission so no replacing the entire transmission.

If an auto/CVT goes out, your transmission is basically done if you get to the point where it doesn't start because of it.

But automatics will generally last longer simply because you are not manually moving the clutch. But someone who knows how to move the clutch properly should out last any auto.

Auto's and CVT are also more complicated compared to manual or dual clutch auto.

Shifting in a dual clutch is a lot faster compared to a CVT or a traditional automatic. But automatics in the C7 'vette and the Hellcat's can actually be good too... It really depends on how much $$$ manufactures spent on it.

I've owned 2 manual cars and it's a nice insurance for anti theft and my transmission. If I lived in a busy city I would probably go auto and build the transmission.

@Tenacity

The reason for auto vs manual in Camaro's is because of AFM and VVT. They stand for 'active fuel management' and 'Variable Valve timing.' These are only in the automatics.

AFM will shut half your engine off if you're driving around slowly. If you're V8, you don't actually have an LS3. You have an L99, the biggest difference is the heads, and crap lifters. That's why some v8 owners can get 20+ MPG in the city. Massive power difference as well.

Also, the only 5th gen Camaro that came with 500HP is the Z/28.

Damn you know a hell of a lot about cars. Can you help explain some of this stuff in layman's terms for me please..

1. What the hell is a double clutch and the point of it? A stick shift has one clutch and an automatic has none.. I don't get this concept or understand what it is.
2. CVT? What the hell is this lol
3. Does this AFM and VVT help the car save gas?
4. What is LS3 and L99

 

[Skyline]

Damn you know a hell of a lot about cars. Can you help explain some of this stuff in layman's terms for me please..

1. What the hell is a double clutch and the point of it? A stick shift has one clutch and an automatic has none.. I don't get this concept or understand what it is.
2. CVT? What the hell is this lol
3. Does this AFM and VVT help the car save gas?
4. What is LS3 and L99

A dual clutch is exactly what the name states. It comes in automatic form but it is far from a simple automatic.

So a dual clutch has 1 clutch up front and one in the rear, yes you technically have 2 transmissions. As you begin to rev your car up to whatever RPM's, your second mini transmission is spinning up the gears to make a perfect rev match. This means that shifts are stupid fast because the second clutch is already ready for those two gears without ever actually being in those gears- whether you want to up or down shift. And I say two gears because...

So clutch one takes care of gears 1-3-5. Clutch 2 takes care of 2-4-6. If you're in 3rd gear at 4k RPM's, your second clutch is already ready for 2nd or 4th because the gears are already spinning for a perfect rev match. It's a mix of manual and automatic but times two.

The Nissan GT-R uses this.

CVT is a Continuous Valve Transmission. It only has 1 massive gear that is separated by a steel band and adjusts the ratios as if had gears- similar to a planet system. The issue with this is how durable the manufacturers make that steel band.

The Koenigsegg Regera R uses a transmission very similar to this.

Automatic is very similar to CVT but it has actual physical gear ratios(5speed auto, 6speed auto, etc.) Because of how power is translated, there is generally a 20% power loss.

All American muscle cars use automatic.


AFM is a trademark for GM. It's specifically designed to save gas and pass emissions. If you're not driving your car hard, half your engine will literally shut off. So yes, 4cyl V8's exist- 4cyl Corvettes exist. VVT is basically a system that either reserves power for gas or increases power(Honda's vTech is VVT).

The LS3 is GM's 6.2 liter V8. Arguably one of the best engine GM has ever made- in fact, it's actually the king of the totem pole for American V8's. Power capability's on stock internals is in the 1000's. Mustangs 5.0 V8 top out at around 800. Any engine after the LS3 has heavy influence from it.

The true HEMI's aren't even around anymore and is really just a slogan for their Fiat Chrysler family, even though most of their performance parts are Mercedes derived- I might as well buy a Mercedes AMG vs any Dodge performaner, it's basically the same origins but better bang for your buck.

The L99 is the more economic version of the LS3, it comes with AFM and VVT. Same block, same 6.2 liter V8. The heads are different, weaker lifters is an example. The L99 is offered only in automatic form and suffers a noticeable power loss from it being automatic. But it does grant you 20+ MPG out of your V8.

Can an LS3 be automatic without it being an L99? Yes. In fact, GM has a couple of cars such as the Chevy SS which is known as the Holden Commodore SSV and Vauxhall VR8.

 

[Bokanovsky]

My current Camaro is automatic and my 6th Gen Camaro will be automatic. I can't drive a stick, don't want to drive a stick, and think driving a stick is WAY too much work. Plus, that clutch could go out often and you have to pay the money to fix it.

In the Camaro circles, the debate between manual v.s. auto is a big one. I have no clue why the hell someone would want a manual operation. I would absolutely HATE driving with a manual, especially considering it's a daily driver and I'm using it through traffic, etc.

That's kind of like saying: "I've never had sex, don't want to have sex and think having sex is too much work. I have no clue why anyone would want to have sex instead of jerking off. Plus, sticking your penis is a wet, dirty hole is disgusting."

If you've never tried driving stick, you have no idea what you're talking about. Yes, it's more challenging but it's also more rewarding. It also makes you feel the car a lot more. It's hard to explain, but there's a certain man to machine connection that makes you feel like you are operating the car, as opposed to just steering it. Granted, it's not much fun if your car is a sh!tbox (kind of like having sex with a fat HB3). And yes, the first couple of times you try it, you'll be as awkward a teenager with his first girlfriend. But once you get the hang of it (and provided you've got the right car), it's a fun experience.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Dual clutch is cheap and easy to maintain, similar to a manual, but when it goes out, you do need 2 clutches.

Most dual clutch transmissions use wet clutches (immersed in oil), so they tend to last longer than clutches on a manual transmission. However, once the clutches wear out, the entire transmission is typically replaced. I've never heard of anyone replacing individual clutches on a DCT.

 

[Skyline]

Most dual clutch transmissions use wet clutches (immersed in oil), so they tend to last longer than clutches on a manual transmission. However, once the clutches wear out, the entire transmission is typically replaced. I've never heard of anyone replacing individual clutches on a DCT.

That is true per manufacturers.

You can replace them individually by taking them apart. It's a tad more complicated than a regular manual clutch replacement but it's possible and not something you should do while the trannys are still in the car.

Actually you can definitely do it without dismounting the transmission. I would do it on a lift vs jack stands though.

 

[Trainwreck]

I currently drive an automatic mustang and looking at an automatic GT Or BMW. Depends on if I can find a dealer not trying to screw me over. There's only so much I'll pay for a car payment before my "don't do this" instinct pops up. I would never drive a manual because idk how and it looks like too much work.

 

[Tenacity]

That's kind of like saying: "I've never had sex, don't want to have sex and think having sex is too much work. I have no clue why anyone would want to have sex instead of jerking off. Plus, sticking your penis is a wet, dirty hole is disgusting."

If you've never tried driving stick, you have no idea what you're talking about. Yes, it's more challenging but it's also more rewarding. It also makes you feel the car a lot more. It's hard to explain, but there's a certain man to machine connection that makes you feel like you are operating the car, as opposed to just steering it. Granted, it's not much fun if your car is a sh!tbox (kind of like having sex with a fat HB3). And yes, the first couple of times you try it, you'll be as awkward a teenager with his first girlfriend. But once you get the hang of it (and provided you've got the right car), it's a fun experience.

I feel very much "one with the car" while riding down the street rocking out to my music, texting, and getting all of the compliments that I get from driving a Camaro in general lol.

I currently drive an automatic mustang and looking at an automatic GT Or BMW. Depends on if I can find a dealer not trying to screw me over. There's only so much I'll pay for a car payment before my "don't do this" instinct pops up. I would never drive a manual because idk how and it looks like too much work.

I agree. To each their own, but Tenacity has much BETTER things to do with his driving time than to have to literally "shift, shift, shift, shift" and all other types of shyt with a manual transmission lol. How the hell can I text a chick or respond to an emergency business call, with a manual ? How can I finger the chick in my passenger seat with a manual ? How can I get head with a manual ??

 

[Desdinova]

It really depends on what you want and what you need. If your terrain is full of hills, then don't get a manual.

Personally, I like a manual for the simple fact that I can bang it into forward and reverse faster than an automatic. It makes parking and three point turns fast and easy. However, I also like an automatic for the sole reason that I've never had to replace the transmission in any vehicle I've owned. I've had to replace a clutch once.

Side story... I took one particular girl out while I was on a date in my manual transmission. She asks, "Why are you doing that?"
I respond with "doing what?
She says "Moving that thing".
I tell her that it's to shift gears. "Well how come nobody else's car has that?"
We keep driving. She eventually says, "Um... Could you stop doing that?"
Poor girl. I had to tell her I couldn't because then the fvcking truck wouldn't move.

 

[zekko]

Side story... I took one particular girl out while I was on a date in my manual transmission. She asks, "Why are you doing that?"
I respond with "doing what?
She says "Moving that thing".
I tell her that it's to shift gears. "Well how come nobody else's car has that?"
We keep driving. She eventually says, "Um... Could you stop doing that?"

................ !

 

[Trainwreck]

Caved in and got the Gt because It was a lesser payment and 0 percent interest. I’m a car noob so enlighten me please.

 

[Reyaj]

A dual clutch is exactly what the name states. It comes in automatic form but it is far from a simple automatic.

So a dual clutch has 1 clutch up front and one in the rear, yes you technically have 2 transmissions. As you begin to rev your car up to whatever RPM's, your second mini transmission is spinning up the gears to make a perfect rev match. This means that shifts are stupid fast because the second clutch is already ready for those two gears without ever actually being in those gears- whether you want to up or down shift. And I say two gears because...

So clutch one takes care of gears 1-3-5. Clutch 2 takes care of 2-4-6. If you're in 3rd gear at 4k RPM's, your second clutch is already ready for 2nd or 4th because the gears are already spinning for a perfect rev match. It's a mix of manual and automatic but times two.

One clutch up front and one in the rear?? I only know of the clutch to the left of the brake I step on.. where is the rear?

CVT is pretty new technology, it uses a planet-system thing or something. Repairs are similar to an auto. CVT is more optimized for MPG stuff.

What? lol I just don't know about the mechanics of cars so sorry for the stupid questions..

It really depends on what you want and what you need. If your terrain is full of hills, then don't get a manual.

Personally, I like a manual for the simple fact that I can bang it into forward and reverse faster than an automatic. It makes parking and three point turns fast and easy. However, I also like an automatic for the sole reason that I've never had to replace the transmission in any vehicle I've owned. I've had to replace a clutch once.

Side story... I took one particular girl out while I was on a date in my manual transmission. She asks, "Why are you doing that?"
I respond with "doing what?
She says "Moving that thing".
I tell her that it's to shift gears. "Well how come nobody else's car has that?"
We keep driving. She eventually says, "Um... Could you stop doing that?"
Poor girl. I had to tell her I couldn't because then the fvcking truck wouldn't move.

I hope she blew you

 

[Desdinova]

I hope she blew you

She did

 

[AAAgent]

There used to be a time where having a stick shift meant higher performance than automatic. That no longer seems to be the case as automatic cars can actually achieve higher speeds than manual transmissions. A lot of these new hot sports cars don't even come in stick anymore.

If you had the money for a nice new sports car would you choose stick or automatic?

I just learned to drive stick/manual this summer on the car I bought. Infiniti G35 Type S. It's my daily driver now. Took me about a month in total to really learn it as I was only driving 5 miles a day for the first few weeks but once you get it down, it's not THAT bad. It's a major ***** driving in stop and go traffic (city driving). But I do have a performance clutch with dual exhaust and intakes so it's getting to be fun to drive. The car not only looks nice, but the engine sounds nice and the car picks up quick. Since the car doesn't have an automatic shifting option (manual), I personally feel more comfortable just shifting at higher RPM's. The shifting gives you the choice of how you want to drive the car compared to most automatic cars. I feel like driving my car faster makes me move smoother, sounds nicer, and is overall more fun. I stopped driving like an a$$ after college but the car just feels better being driven faster as opposed to driving it slow.

If I had a choice to buy a manual car with a clutch or automatic car no clutch I'd personally prefer automatic. I don't drive my car for fun. I drive it to get from point A to point B. My friend just happened to come across a good car, looked great, and gave me a fantastic price. Unfortunately it was a stick shift car but the price and looks made it worthwhile to learn to drive stick. Maybe I'll change my mind later as I drive it more but automatic is my preference for now.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Did you teach yourself? New drivers will tend to "ride the clutch," meaning they keep it partially engaged for much longer than necessary. It actually gives you a smoother ride, but it is very bad for your clutch and wears it out much faster. The clutch is intended to be either fully engaged or fully disengaged. It's the halfway point that wears it out.

 

[AAAgent]

Did you teach yourself? New drivers will tend to "ride the clutch," meaning they keep it partially engaged for much longer than necessary. It actually gives you a smoother ride, but it is very bad for your clutch and wears it out much faster. The clutch is intended to be either fully engaged or fully disengaged. It's the halfway point that wears it out.

I had a few people teach me over the years but this is the first time I actually had to drive it daily.

I really only use the halfway point on first gear at red lights and hills. I mean i could drive it smoothly slow or average speed, but my car is a sports car. I get stared at often already since my car is black rims, tinted windows, on black paint and black caliphers. It screams look at me (the trade off of having nice things). I'd rather just get my car moving to avoid the staring and shifting at 4rpms to the next gear results in less slippage than from 2.5rpms to the next gear (assuming there is moving traffic and there are cars behind me). I'm not an expert driver as I only learned a few months ago and I don't really down shift into turns at all (mostly just out of turns).

I live in a densely populated suburban area so there are always cars behind me so I also prefer to pick up off the line fast as opposed to slow.

 

[backseatjuan]

There is a better experience of driving with manual transmission - unless, it's an everyday traffic jam to and from work. I personally do not want an auto car at all. I don't even want an electronic throttle body. I prefer manual, posi traction, and old school throttle by wire. More control? Nah. Nothing of that nature. Just better driving experience. Full enjoyement of my car.