Spinning Plates is overrated and should NOT be advised!

[SmoothHendrixPS2]

Well, if you're lying then you're mediocre to low quality and like attracts like, so no surprise there. If she's high quality she's able to weed out the 'players' either on sight or by the fact that she doesn't put out quickly so the 'player' quits himself (he follows the 3date or NEXT rule).

I don't know, I assess on a case by case basis.

Please. you literally said " a woman who gives her pvssy outside of a committed relationship is by definition a mediocre to low quality woman " - it's the men like YOU that judge women for being promiscuous that CAUSE FEMINISM cuz YOU want to control their Pu s s y !!!

Maybe it's different in Europe, but by YOUR non valid definition, you're looking at under 10 percent of women (that are actually desirable).

Newsflash bro: The hottest youngest girls get turned out by alphas at an early age, so if you want your perfect virgin "good girl" (doesn't exist) you better wife her up at 19-21 or settle for a SMV of 7 or lower, or you'll be looking for your "non mediocre" girl forever...

To conclude: Your stance is that of someone who is looking for an LTR. If you're not looking for an LTR and want multiple sex partners, casual sex, etc., then spinning plates gets the job done. To counter your statement about spinning plates not being healthy for men, that's why I explained how being honest with your intentions eliminates all that time and energy, but most of ya'll don't have the backbone to do that.

 

[pipeman84]

Please. you literally said " a woman who gives her pvssy outside of a committed relationship is by definition a mediocre to low quality woman " - it's the men like YOU that judge women for being promiscuous that CAUSE FEMINISM cuz YOU want to control their Pu s s y !!!

Neither me nor other men (short of raping) control when women open their legs. So women themselves auto select in basically 2 categories - women to fvck (plates) and women to LTR/marry. Now, my whole point was that confusing the 2 cateogories and spending time other than just fvcking with the women from first category is detrimental and risky for a man. Not only it detracts him from his purpose in life, but he runs the risk of falling for her and developing feelings and (God forbid) getting into a relationship/having kids with her. Then all hell breaks loose.

 

[member160292]

Anthony Spade (underrated dating coach) once said a quote that hit me HARD. He said this ; you are either in her rotation, or she's in your rotation. To " normal " people this will sounds like a negative, who- hurt - you - type of qoute.

Can someone explain to me why I managed to keep most of the women I met on their toes until I either gave or pushed for exclusivity? It took me years to even grasp this specific dynamic.



Best post imo. A man in this state of mind is a liability for everyone involved. The woman will feel the attraction is fading due his inexperience , and the man will be frustrated because he " tries to do everything right". This is what happens with most relationships.

Unfortunately this seems like a natural thing. Some men need to become ( more like) an azzhole (abundance mindset) before they can yield the results they really want.

A LTR, being in love and all that can be great. But just as high as it can take you , it can drop you and make you fall just as hard, if not much harder.

Most won't like what I will say here. This op is logical and rational, but that's not how dating works(anymore). Most women you'll encounter won't be logical and rational, but rather emotional. This logically thinking man will always end up emotionally damaged. Logical thinking when dealing with women is actually illogical .


Remember how we used to feel when we heard the girl we liked talking about her azzhole bf, but yet she always stayed with him? Shyte like this pushed most men to the manosphere because understanding women wasn't easy at all, but more like some type of difficult mathematical equation.

Look, the difference is most men once they are in a LTR are capable to completely shutdown any other woman, while most women will always keep the door to other men open a little bit, and also encourage one another to do so.

The word monkeybranche is exclusively used to describe female behavior.
Why men are not doing the same thing? How will a man find a better fit , a better woman if he always closes the door because of his loyalty to a mediocre woman that treats him like shyt? You can also say that a person that monkeybranches is " just looking out for his or her own best interest ".

No, we tell each other to stay lonely and wait for miss Right, while woman think like ;"feck that , Imma have me as mucho fun as possible and when mr right shows up some day I'll simply say bey bey beta Bob. " You know Bob, attraction can happen....

To spin or not to spin is a choice you make. Like Barrister said, the thrill of having multiple partners is something a LTR can't give you . Just like a exclusive LTR with the right woman is a great experience that cannot be replicated with fast flings. If you wanna be the LTR guy that cool , just dont complain when you end up heart broken when reality strikes .

Interestingly enough I just ended a short term relationship because my abundance mentality kicked in. It was almost like I was looking for every single red flag I could find, I wasn’t ready for it. She was a rather sweet girl and did give an ultimatum for being exclusive. Eventually I had to cave and it was a blast with her. The abundance mindset will always stick around for me and I don’t see myself settling soon.

I dropped all my other plates to be with this one, though it was worth it. Time to rebuild my rotation

 

[The Duke]

I didn't understand it at the time, but I do years later. My own mom asked me if I was going to stay with my high school girlfriend when I left for college. I told her yes of course. Thats when she said "you should just go have fun, meet different girls."

My own mom was telling me to go spin plates and I was so stuck on one girl. Years later after I married and divorced that girl, I took my moms advice. I learned more about women, and myself than I ever imagined. I also had a ton of fun. Had a long run of good times and hot sex.

@pipeman84 - those good girls(ltr material) spend time as plates. I've turned a few plates into ltr's. The difference is they eventually give you an ultimatum and there is an expiration date. Regardless, very few women want a long term fvck buddy arrangement, even the wh0res.

A guy should approach every new girl as just a plate(sex and good times), even if he wants long term committment. Let her prove her worth. Stop assuming she is ltr material out of the gate(pedestalizing). That will burn your azz every time.

 

[SmoothHendrixPS2]

Neither me nor other men (short of raping) control when women open their legs. So women themselves auto select in basically 2 categories - women to fvck (plates) and women to LTR/marry. Now, my whole point was that confusing the 2 cateogories and spending time other than just fvcking with the women from first category is detrimental and risky for a man. Not only it detracts him from his purpose in life, but he runs the risk of falling for her and developing feelings and (God forbid) getting into a relationship/having kids with her. Then all hell breaks loose.

See, you are putting women into two categories, which means you suffer from the madonna w h o r e complex.

Madonna w h o r e complex is when a man believes all women are either monogamous good girls, or promiscuous s l u t s, no in between.

This means that you are severely limited and blue pilled because if you understand female nature, you'd know that those LTR/Marriage material women that you put up on a pedistal are just as likely to commit adulterous/sexually duplicitious acts.

A red pill man views all women as having the potential to get their p u s s y wet at any given time, and is enlightened by female nature.

you are so judgemental and bitter about female nature that you see no gray areas in between the two categories. So once again, WAKE UP

Respectfully

 

[Dr.Suave]

@pipeman84 - those good girls(ltr material) spend time as plates.

There can be exceptions, but most of them, yes. I remember @catsmeow2 talking about a female friend, a "high quality value woman", who admitted to a bunch of Same Night Lays in her past.

But exceptions make the rule. I think @pipeman84 hasnt lost hope to find the exception. I think its a good thing. He should have some standards like @Modern Man Advice, and since its not gonna be easy to find a needle in a haystack, he should make his exceptions, but he should define those as well.

Btw, kudos on your mom for telling you to spin plates. I wish my mom was like that.

Edit: All plates started as LTR material (before they we're pump and dumped). Maybe it's a circular thing?

 

[pipeman84]

@pipeman84 - those good girls(ltr material) spend time as plates. I've turned a few plates into ltr's. The difference is they eventually give you an ultimatum and there is an expiration date. Regardless, very few women want a long term fvck buddy arrangement, even the wh0res.

A guy should approach every new girl as just a plate(sex and good times), even if he wants long term committment. Let her prove her worth. Stop assuming she is ltr material out of the gate(pedestalizing). That will burn your azz every time.

Probably there are some differences in Eastern Europe vs American culture that play a role, but the 2 different types of women mentioned above clearly exist...I mean, a player friend of mine would say ... see this or that woman (referring to women we both knew) ... I couldn't have sex with them unless in a committed relationship. He was thus differentiating between them and his usual fare of plates.

It's not about pedestalizing, it's about assessing quality and putting her in the right category.

A red pill man views all women as having the potential to get their p u s s y wet at any given time, and is enlightened by female nature.

That's just as true as saying that all men have the potential to cheat or beat their girlfriends/wives.

you are so judgemental and bitter about female nature that you see no gray areas in between the two categories. So once again, WAKE UP

Of course there's a lot of gray. I don't know where you got that I'm judgemental or bitter ... if I'm saying that when's cloudy and rainy outside, better dress up or you'll get wet and probably catch a cold ... I'm not judgmental and bitter about the weather. It's the same with women ... observe their nature and act appropriately, that was my message.

 

[SmoothHendrixPS2]

Probably there are some differences in Eastern Europe vs American culture that play a role, but the 2 different types of women mentioned above clearly exist...I mean, a player friend of mine would say ... see this or that woman (referring to women we both knew) ... I couldn't have sex with them unless in a committed relationship. He was thus differentiating between them and his usual fare of plates.

It's not about pedestalizing, it's about assessing quality and putting her in the right category.

That's just as true as saying that all men have the potential to cheat or beat their girlfriends/wives.

Of course there's a lot of gray. I don't know where you got that I'm judgemental or bitter ... if I'm saying that when's cloudy and rainy outside, better dress up or you'll get wet and probably catch a cold ... I'm not judgmental and bitter about the weather. It's the same with women ... observe their nature and act appropriately, that was my message.

Sir, please stop running from the statements that you made with the cute metaphors about the weather.

You made it clear that you believe any women who has casual or non relationship sex is "mediocre".

That is as judgemental as it gets.

You also said spinning plates is bad for men ( it deff has it's downfalls) but it's indeed a great way to "ASSESS QUALITY and put them in the RIGHT Position "(your own words).

Any true player with real experience understands that ALL women (hot, young, old, ugly, fat, skinny, promiscuous, prude) not only fantasize about casual sex, but more times than not will take part in it at least once in their life (with the right guy).

This just shows you don't have experience seducing high quality women into having casual sex.

 

[Dr.Suave]

This just shows you don't have experience seducing high quality women into having casual sex.

Hey bro. This is just my opinion but maybe you are mixing hot girls with "High Quality" women.

All "High Quality" women consider themselves hot, but not all hot girls are "high quality". "High quality" women dont have casual sex, they dont have sex outside of comitted relationships, thats one of the main reasons why they consider themselves "High Quality". Let me know if Im wrong about this @catsmeow2

But we all know girls make rules for betas and break their own rules for alphas. If girls are breaking their own rules for you, Im happy for you bro.

 

[pipeman84]

You made it clear that you believe any women who has casual or non relationship sex is "mediocre".

Ok, let me define mediocre, seems like there's a misunderstanding ... it pertains to her quality of being feminine and loyal, in other words worthy of a man investing his time and emotions in her. It has nothing to do with her intellect or how she looks.

Any true player with real experience understands that ALL women (hot, young, old, ugly, fat, skinny, promiscuous, prude) not only fantasize about casual sex, but more times than not will take part in it at least once in their life (with the right guy).

I'm not going to dispute what women fantasize about, let's say you're right. But there's a big difference between keeping it in fantasy land and actually doing it. I as a man fantasize about correcting the wrongs I perceive around me using sheer, brute force. That doesn't mean I'll put it in practice, for obvious reasons. Just like us guys have to control our propensity to use force/violence to be considered high quality men, women have to control their sexuality to be considered high quality women.

 

[HaleyBaron]

women have to control their sexuality to be considered high quality.

I've seen so many rich guys settle with former wh*res and pornstars, let me give you a quote that will help you. Right from my signature:

A woman's test in life is material, a man's test in life is a woman. - Dave Chapelle

 

[pipeman84]

I've seen so many rich guys settle with former wh*res and pornstars, let me give you a quote that will help you. Right from my signature:

A woman's test in life is material, a man's test in life is a woman. - Dave Chapelle

Yeah, I've noticed that too and it's a conundrum, for sure. But hey, I'm a live and let live kind of guy, so I wish them good luck.

 

[SmoothHendrixPS2]

First of all, I have 0 interest in what @catsmeow2 has to say about this. She knows not to talk to me on here. Chances are she's had casual sex before and is embarrassed to speak up since ya'll are so quick to diminish a female for exploring her sexuality.

I wonder if you would call your mother or sister low quality for having casual sex a couple of times.

Guys like ya'll want to control women's p u s s y. Men have been doing this for hundreds of years, mutilating their ****oris's and making sure they get married before they lose their virginity, etc. Women got sick of this **** and wanted CHOICE. Men like ya'll are to blame since it's your belief system that makes women spiteful towards us.

@pipeman84 @Dr.Suave
I'm here to tell you guys... If you want a hot AND "high quality women" by YOUR standards, then you are now looking at less than 1% of modern women. Good luck with that, especially if ya'll don't believe in spinning plates lol

HARDCORE TRUTH: Majority of desirable women get turned out by an alpha early in their adult life. Being "turned out" means they develop a freaky kink side to their sexuality which gives them the everlasting desire to be erotically dominated. These are the women that cheat on their beta provider husbands looking for good D I C K.

THE red pill isn't easy to swallow but this is the truth, and at the risk of assuming, you both sound like you don't have the sexual prowess to put girls pasts aside and have fun with them when it's your turn.

Maybe you are both into monogamy (which I respect), or you just truly prefer a SMV 7 or LESS who has never had casual sex in her life... Not me. I like feminine, submissive, hot and sexy women, and If I can seduce them into casual sex after they initially decline, then they weren't as "high quality" as they or YOU both thought.

Understand that you are eliminating a good percentage of the most desirable women on earth with your attitudes, and need to wake the
F U C K up!

Respectfully

 

[pipeman84]

Guys like ya'll want to control women's p u s s y. Men have been doing this for thousands of years, mutilating their ****oris's and making sure they get married before they lose their virginity, etc. Women got sick of this **** and wanted CHOICE. Men like ya'll are to blame since it's your belief system that makes women spiteful towards us.

I'm all for women's freedom. And just as I believe they should be free to fvck and marry whomever they want, I have the choice of who I spend my time with. I don't really get what you mean, do you expect me to treat all women as if they all have the same value?

THE red pill isn't easy to swallow but this is the truth, and at the risk of assuming, you both sound like you don't have the sexual prowess to put girls pasts aside and have fun with them when it's your turn.

You might enjoy trying to date them, 'seduce' them, manipulate them into believing you're actually interested and care about them ... in other words spending an inordinately amount of time and likely being dishonest in the process just to get access to their pvssy. I don't.

Maybe you are both into monogamy (which I respect), or you just truly prefer a SMV 7 or LESS who has never had casual sex in her life...

If you believe all beautiful, good looking women are basically hoes (exploring their sexuality, having casual sex as you put it) then that's your projection and I disagree with it.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

@SmoothHendrixPS2

Interesting reply.

Would it be safe to say that you consider yourself to be that Alpha that turns out beautiful women? That you’re capable of giving women the best sex they will ever have? I’ve detected this tone from you here and in other threads

That you’re just that good?

First of all, I have 0 interest in what @catsmeow2 has to say about this. She knows not to talk to me on here. Chances are she's had casual sex before and is embarrassed to speak up since ya'll are so quick to diminish a female for exploring her sexuality.

I wonder if you would call your mother or sister low quality for having casual sex a couple of times.

Guys like ya'll want to control women's p u s s y. Men have been doing this for hundreds of years, mutilating their ****oris's and making sure they get married before they lose their virginity, etc. Women got sick of this **** and wanted CHOICE. Men like ya'll are to blame since it's your belief system that makes women spiteful towards us.

@pipeman84 @Dr.Suave
I'm here to tell you guys... If you want a hot AND "high quality women" by YOUR standards, then you are now looking at less than 1% of modern women. Good luck with that, especially if ya'll don't believe in spinning plates lol

HARDCORE TRUTH: Majority of desirable women get turned out by an alpha early in their adult life. Being "turned out" means they develop a freaky kink side to their sexuality which gives them the everlasting desire to be erotically dominated. These are the women that cheat on their beta provider husbands looking for good D I C K.

THE red pill isn't easy to swallow but this is the truth, and at the risk of assuming, you both sound like you don't have the sexual prowess to put girls pasts aside and have fun with them when it's your turn.

Maybe you are both into monogamy (which I respect), or you just truly prefer a SMV 7 or LESS who has never had casual sex in her life... Not me. I like feminine, submissive, hot and sexy women, and If I can seduce them into casual sex after they initially decline, then they weren't as "high quality" as they or YOU both thought.

Understand that you are eliminating a good percentage of the most desirable women on earth with your attitudes, and need to wake the
F U C K up!

Respectfully

 

[kavi]

IMO, a quality woman can certainly have casual sex if she so desired, why wouldn't she?

I am not judging either as I am in the camp that pretty much all western/modern women have had casual sex and it is the norm in our current culture.

But to answer your (likely rhetorical) question.

There is no difference in Casual vs Relationship sex. Casual Sex is also a relationship of sorts. I think women are in a tough spot because on the one hand they kinda have to use their sexual value to lock-a-man-down into marriage and ltr, but at the same time they want to be able to enjoy sex without always using it to 'game' a guy into marriage or ltr, hence I see casual sex and relationships/ltr/marriage being in conflict due to most women attempting to use sex to get the latter, but giving away sex for free in casual sex.

So in a marriage or ltr or emotional relationship, sex is supposedly more meaningful etc etc but then these women having casual sex, kinda makes the marriage or ltr guy feel stupid to value romantic emotional sex with a woman when she just did that with no feelings with other guys.

IMO, casual sex is a terrible thing atm, because in the current climate I only see it going to low-value guys. This could be a v attractive 22-30yr old guy but casual sex usually means no feelings, but if a woman meets a real high quality guy she is gonna have feelings and emotions and then that will stop her from having sex with him, this the higher quality male loses and the lower quality one, who doesnt generate feelings and attraction win.

I'm really just making a point for the thread, not here to debate this or anything.

Women do have a problem just giving up sex to high quality guys, and then in secret give it up to losers.

 

[Dr.Suave]

IMO, a quality woman can certainly have casual sex if she so desired, why wouldn't she?

Like you said, we all have different definitions but What´s the difference between a high quality woman and other women then? If they both can have sex outside relationships.

 

[pipeman84]

IMO, a quality woman can certainly have casual sex if she so desired, why wouldn't she?

So leaving aside the societal stigma attached to women having casual sex... you know, a man having casual sex is a player, a woman doing the same is a slvt, a key that opens multiple locks is a master key, a lock that's opened by several keys is a broken/sh!ty one. Aren't women supposed to perceive a strong connection between sex and love/feelings? Isn't it true that 50%+ of women don't orgasm from penetrative sex alone, and that's in a relationship?

What's the incentive then for casual sex, where the chance of having an orgasm is tiny? How can then a high quality woman be seeking something that's societally disapproved and which gives her no real pleasure? Using that line of thinking, quality women are doing hard drugs too.

 

[Dr.Suave]

For me personally, yes. Sexual intimacy is linked to my emotions, which is why I never engaged in casual sex.

However, I cannot speak for all women, there are many women who DO enjoy casual sex, for them sex is not tied into their emotions, they can enjoy the physical aspect of it without getting too emotionally involved.

I try to not to judge and like I said, as long as she behaves with honesty and integrity, respects herself and others, that is all that should matter imo.

So a man who doesnt cheat is a high quality value man? Edit: There should be other stuff too but I guess thats a different conversation. I just didnt think your definition of a quality woman would be one that engages in casual sex. Im a little suprised, thats all.

 

[kavi]

So a man who doesnt cheat is a high quality value man? Edit: There should be other stuff too but I guess thats a different conversation. I just didnt think your definition of a quality woman would be one that engages in casual sex. Im a little suprised, thats all.

But why not?

More high-quality women are single
Single women have more casual sex. Hence high-quality women may have more casual sex than average women.

High Quality Women: Intelligent, healthy, good looking, decent career/money, social life etc. Basically Upper-Class vs Lower Class kinda thing.

The irnony is that the higher the womans quality, the more likely she is to be single (due to higher standards), and hence more likely to have casual sex. Irony is a terrible thing that occurs when human social systems are broken and there are conflicts between good things.