speed seducers piss me off

[DEKKA]

i still havent decided why exactly it is that students of SS piss me off like they do but they do. i used to study and use SS then moved on to DyD and read everything from the Art of Seduction to the 48 Laws of Power, the DJ Bible. Everything. And I've become. I feel like my games at zen-like level now.....

but alas....

speed seduction is losing most of the respect i once had for it.

i still use elliciting values and some pattern-like speech once in a while, i like to guide womens imagination and get them feeling things, but, it seems like SS is way down the totom pole of the progress of nirvana like game.

also i dont like that you have these dudes having to go through all these silly mind games to get women. a real man would just go after what he wants and not waste his time.

if they ever told anybody what they were having to do to get women they'd get quite a laugh.

my thoughts.

yours?

 

[drixsa]

SS, fast seduction

i respect it on a certain level b/c they break down the game in its every aspect so that i can understand it better

on the other hand it encourages that you do and act however needed to get laid

its about the girl and not about yourself

its almost like a loss of who you are to get laid

 

[Qobolwayo]

Actually i agree with both of you.
But only to a certain extent.

SS is not the holy grail.
And if you try to use it word for word you will look like a pathetic little boy.

But on my road to getting to were I am, it enabled me to do two things.
I was able to be conversate for hours on end with a lady with out breaking a sweat.
And luckily i had understood that ss is merely a way of talking to the woman ( a good example is pook's talk to a womans heart wich all people should read before trying a pattern), which SS helped me to do.
And most importantly for every guy who is trying to get out of his AFC shell it got me laid.
Big time.
Which no amount of motivatinal speeches could have installed in me that amount of self confidence.

In the end to be a DJ is an approach
towards other people
and towards your own inner thought processes

SS can help but it is only a piece of the puzzle.

 

[Player_Supreme]

a real man would just go after what he wants and not waste his time.



true!

Now look at the main posts on this page....

do you see any real men in the crowd???

if it works for them the so be it...by any means necessary!

 

[THA REALNESS]

Word.SS getz no love from me.

 

[Hemilaya_Playa]

No love??? Speed seduction is so much more than women. It is based on NLP which you can use in any situation. Perhaps even getting a job. Besides you guys talk about how it makes you lose yourself and act a certain way, but if all you know is SS, you'll never get a girl. You guys talk about real men and someone even menioned that if a speed seducer told others what methods they used to get woman, he would get laughed at. The same goes for you, the guy who says he started learning so much from SS and DyD, and the DJ Bible. You are in the same boat as a speed seducer, the only difference is, you have more people floating in it with you.

 

[drixsa]

Originally posted by Hemilaya_Playa
No love??? Speed seduction is so much more than women. It is based on NLP which you can use in any situation. Perhaps even getting a job. Besides you guys talk about how it makes you lose yourself and act a certain way, but if all you know is SS, you'll never get a girl. You guys talk about real men and someone even menioned that if a speed seducer told others what methods they used to get woman, he would get laughed at. The same goes for you, the guy who says he started learning so much from SS and DyD, and the DJ Bible. You are in the same boat as a speed seducer, the only difference is, you have more people floating in it with you.

yes NLP can be used for some amazin things regardless guys use it to get laid lets be honest

SS helps but it doesnt do the whole trick, but this is refering to most of Fast Seduction

SS.com is about gettin woman, but the basics that this site is based on is that you become who you want to be and that you are happy with who you are and your life

woman are just part of that life

where as Fast seduction it is a life based around woman.

which in the end will never satisfy you and make you happy.

if u dare question the fast seduction process they tell u that philosophers dont get the girls and that you should spend more time sarging woman than actually thinking

FS is an empty life to live

 

[Walden]

It's a useful technique.

 

[So pimp its scary]

SS works, that is undeniable.

The problem is that people learn SS, so they can spit a good game, but they are not better becauseof it.

If you can learn about 'djism' before ss it would probably benefit you more then just learning ss.

 

[DEKKA]

yes... ss does work...

but so does hitting a woman over the head and raping her in an alley.

my point is whether or not its very manly.

seems to met that the focus of it creates a situation where the man is indirectly supplicating.

the dynamic of having to play games of such nature just rings of insecurity and unconfidence.

yes it works.

no i dont think its the way to be a self assured, confident DJ.


REJECTION IS SO SWEET.

 

[Ice Cold]

I don't get you guys.

You say SS is unmanly, unDJish... whatever. How can you say so?

At the end, the girl has a wonderful emotional relationship with you. She is totally consumed by the experience of loving and being loved without any inhibitions. She becomes happy. You find out what she likes and give it to her.

Why is it unmanly to give a woman such great pleasure? Even if your intention is "just sex", she feels beautiful and appreciated.

If you, in your manly way, use some other techniques to get what you want (just sex in some instances) she may feel bad about yourself. She may have slut complexes.

SS allows you to open her up sexually, to free her from the constraints of society and make her life happy.

Please tell me where SS is unmanly if used properly.

 

[MVPlaya]

If a guy sits there and clings on to SS like it is a life-vest and he's floating around the Atlantic.. YES, I do NOT have any respect for him. But to disrespect SS altogether? Why?

The simple fact is, every single technique out there is just one more, weapon, just another addition to your arsenal. And if you don't want to SS to the max, try using SS just for the vocal patterns but follow normal game. Also, SS or NLP can be great ways to take make sure that a woman who is in a bad mood breaks free of it (in case you decided you didn't wanna neXt this one).

Don't look down on SS, instead, just see it as another part of your arsenal, fit it in where you like and stay away from it when you don't want it.

Oh yeah, there's a thread on this topic:
http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42354

 

[WatchMeWalk]

I think it is good to know the concepts of SS and try to incorporate them naturally to your game.
I can see how some folks here see it as indirect supplication because it seems like the PUA is "performing" his way past an HB's defenses instead of just passively letting his style and personality do the work.
Reminds me of Ryan Phillipe's character in "Cruel Intentions". He had looks, money, status, etc. and yet he felt obligated to concoct elaborate seduction ploys to "conquer" women. That attitude just reeks of insecurity.

Women never have to try so hard. Why should we?

 

[DEKKA]

yeah perhaps im being too harsh on the poor SSers. its just another tool in the toolbox. i started with SS and progressed to everything else, so in a way i owe my start, to a certain extent, to SS. i wasnt attacking the usefullness of SS or its effectiveness in getting guys who cant get laid laid, i just dont agree with the attitude and general dynamic of the situation SS creates. i wont be sanctimonious by pointing out the deception involved in the whole thing, because most tools in the game of seduction are not always at the pinacle of honesty(nor should they be). but i do believe in the values expressed behind the idea of being a true DJ.... one whos made himself the focus of his own existance, one who loves rejection like the hottest HB, and one who leads his own existance and his own reality.... and the girl is along for the ride as long as she doesnt become a liability in the mans pursuits.

im afriad some might be getting stuck with "what works" and never progress completely as a MAN.... and never actually get that "inner game" handled.

i almost liken it to using drugs to be happy or sarge with good confidence. sure you might get success but to what can you attribute your success? thats right, the drugs.

someday if you dont get your inner game handled and start living YOUR life AS A MAN, and letting women come along for the ride if you so choose, your going to be unhappy. everybody eventually wants a woman to love them for who they are (or the man they've become).

i hope everyone here becomes that man.

 

[uniassign]

As a previous poster said, SS is a technique that can be used in the right situation. However, there is no "evil", "supplication" or whatever other lable people puts on it. SS is a TECHNIQUE, it doesn't have an "attitude". You can make this TECHNIQUE into a supplicative tool, or a manipulative tool or a pleasurable tool depending on YOUR intention.

The canned patterns are EXAMPLES of how to talk to chicks about a certain topic which would get the MOST EMOTIONAL reaction.

Women can spot inconcruency a mile away. When you are a nerd who is sheltered at home all the time and never had a girlfriend, how can you decribe accurately what an INCREDIBLE connection really is? This leads to some people claiming that it si bullsh!t.

If you incorporate SS into your OWN stories and routines, it provides excellent value to a chick. It shows that you are a man of passion and in touch with your emotions. Combined that with confidence, bit of playfulness and nice style, it is an irresistable combination.

 

[Bonhomme]

it's hard to keep that kinda **** in mind, anyway

It's not for me, really. I groove best when I'm natural, and in command of the scene. Not the kind of thing that happens when you're trying to think of what to say.

For me, it's become very simple:

Be true to yourself.

Be a Man.

Have fun.

Be sensual.

Those are the keys.