Sosusave does more harm than good

[JdelaSilviera]

Hi

I´m not trying to put people´s effort here to give decent advice down ( and there is some decent advice out there, for instance I love Zekko) but there are some important points to be made:

Sosuavers have a very negative view of reality that they share with each other, making themselves and others completely depressed. A few months ago there was a thread about a DJ who had to leave blogs dedicated to men and game (chateau, roissy) because they had such a negative view on reality that they affected him. Many people that are positive in nature come here, and then they are confronted with sosuavers reality : an atheistic world view, where we are selfish and brutal animals, women are *****s who will cheat you in a blink of an eye and who **** only the top 1% of guys. I´ve seen threads that say that every people you know wants your failure (from roissy). Guys in order to stop putting women on a pedestal will say things like "women are just bags of meat who fart and burp", or that they " are just organic matter in decay". Although the late quotes are well accepted and applauded on this site, if you said this outside people would look at you as sick.
And yes guys, the world is far from perfect, but if you can´t grasp all the wonderful things it has to offer, the problem is inside your head. And no women or men, which means you will also be repulsive to other guys, wants to be around people who think like this, and that think because their view on reality is so negative that it must be right accusing everyone who thinks otherwise as a wishful thinker.

Game has it´s limits and most guys out there are not AFCs, most sosuavers are computer geeks... let´s face it. But PUA industry had this way of making them feel as superior in the first bootcamps, labeling guys who are out of the community as frustrated chumps, many of this "AFCs" (who use traditional ways that many times work, flowers or poems) although I´m not advocating you do that as a norm, get more girls that the pua gurus... I go to a lot of parties, and I can tell you that most guys in their 20´s are completely cool talking to girls, dancing, and fvcking them. You can easilly spot the shy nerd in the middle of the party, who probably thinks he is acting alpha while their body language shows his weak personality.


Looks and female Standards. Many guys here have to use online dating,which shows very clearly that they have very few friends. Women are completely capable of loving bald and ugly guys, if they are known through friends and if they are able to know them well. Of course from a DJ perspective, a typical guy who few friends who goes clubbing by himself, if you are ugly and bald and with the scary lights of the club that can makeyou even more creepy, the reactions from women can be quite demotivating. Yes, if you go for club hunting looks are your biggest weapon, but if you are smart you won´t go for unknown girls at club for a variety of reasons.

Perspective and friends If you are a nerd, your friends are also nerds, so you can get the idea, that women are really *****s who treat men like garbage, because that´s what you see with you and your friends. And getting puss* can seem an almost impossible task. But I can assure that if you have a cool circle of friends who have good social skills, your perspective on reality will change quite a bit, and you will see many more cases where men treat women like garbage (if this makes you feel any better).

Much more could be said, I wrote this in a hurry, but this should make you think about ss view on the world and dating, that generally is not only false, but also quite sick and damaging..

 

[1-800-HellNo]

You have some fair points, but you don't see the big picture.
This site is great for UNDERSTANDING what you're up against.

Sosuavers have a very negative view of reality

Maybe some do, but if you were truly into "reality" then you're a realist. That's how I feel.
I may not like how women are, but I actually understand why they are like that.

Many people that are positive in nature come here
Define "positive"
Because refusing to accept the truth isn't positive, it's negative.
I made mistakes but I NEVER thought men and women were equal.
I know guys IRL who act like b!tches, and it hurts, but i treat them like b!tches and they respond like women would respond: positively.

if you said this outside people would look at you as sick.
No argument here. If you said this to most people IRL they would call you misogynistic and then say you are frustrated because you can't get laid. If you respond with "no, i can get laid whenever I want" you'll hear "yea by worthless slvts but they don't count."
The lesson is that you don't speak on it. I'm bringing back the G code because all these fools are breaking it.

women are just bags of meat who fart and burp
What is wrong with thinking this? It's true.
The hottest girl i ever fvked was also the most disgusting.
Putting yourself in the mind of a woman is actually very useful.

Game has it´s limits and most guys out there are not AFCs
OK i'll split this in half
Game has it´s limits
no argument. As far as i'm concerned "game" is only good for getting your foot in the door. However, understanding "game" is KEY to a successful relationship. You have to know your opponent to beat him.

most guys out there are not AFCs
WRONG. Most guys don't know and/or refuse to accept that they are AFCs.
Most of my friends IRL are great, but when it comes to women they are awful. If you have to think "well, if i did what i want to do, my GF would be mad at me" you are an AFC. Best tip I learned from this site (or associated sites) is the key to "success" with women is to stop craving success with women.

I go to a lot of parties, and I can tell you that most guys in their 20´s are completely cool talking to girls, dancing, and fvcking them.
I get where you're coming from with this, and i feel the same way. If you are online a lot you'll eventually read s#it about guys who thinks saying "hi" to a girl means that girl want's to fvck him.
If you are on this site, you aren't one of those guys.
Those guys see a site about "tips to get girls" as "MISOGYNISTIC HEADQUARTERS."
They are unable to think of women as "lesser" than men.
They are the guys who say "yea im a virgin, but i'm fine with it because i'm not a slut and don't mind waiting for the right girl"

Many guys here have to use online dating
I don't know if this is true or not.
Personally the idea of online dating is ridiculous.
The idea someone could type my name in google and see me on a dating site is too much. I won't do it. I don't need to do it.
But honestly, I enjoy reading about guys who are good at doing it.
It's a "game" just like everything else. Succeeding at online dating takes game too, and i think it's a much more complicated game (assuming the girl is hot).


If you are a nerd, your friends are also nerds, so you can get the idea, that women are really *****s who treat men like garbage
I know this feel.
My friends are nerds, and they are whipped by their GFs. Sometimes I slip and speak my opinion about girls, and i get hit with "goddamn your sexist"
I laugh it off, it doesn't mean anything. Hate is fear and they are afraid i'm right.

if you are smart you won´t go for unknown girls at club for a variety of reasons.
Agree, and i'm not even ugly. I can get girls at clubs, but why? The only "worthwhile" club girl is the one who just happened to come along with her sister or cousin because she was peer pressured.
If you can hook up with "club girls" you have serious game, and i can respect that.
Don't get it twisted though, from my experience club girls aren't worth the effort.

But I can assure that if you have a cool circle of friends who have good social skills, your perspective on reality will change quite a bit
Very fvcking true. Some guys dont have this luxury (myself included), so we use sites like SoSuave as an alternate.

 

[Brighty]

Like I've said earlier in a different thread, so suave is a far cry from when I started posting here in 2006. It's really sad, it was one of the best tools I ever had in my adolescent life growing up and learning how to interact with women (and I was horrible with them), and now its just a bunch of misogynistic bull**** drivel.

We have very few of our own Pooks left that even bother coming to these forums anymore because of how bitter the majority of you people are towards women. If you want better women that won't be lying wh0res and cheat and behave despicably then try picking up women outside of clubs and try just having natural encounters with them in more refined places - like an art show, a theatre, a dog park, a library. You can't get mad because you get hurt when you keep on bashing your head against a wall. Sure, it's easier to pick up some drunken slyt at a bar but there's no way you can ever expect a decent relationship to stem from that. Yes, all women are crazy to varying degrees, but all women are not the most vile, despicable creatures in the world only out to suck as much c0ck as they can.

 

[Halcyonique]

Like I've said earlier in a different thread, so suave is a far cry from when I started posting here in 2006. It's really sad, it was one of the best tools I ever had in my adolescent life growing up and learning how to interact with women (and I was horrible with them), and now its just a bunch of misogynistic bull**** drivel.

We have very few of our own Pooks left that even bother coming to these forums anymore because of how bitter the majority of you people are towards women. If you want better women that won't be lying wh0res and cheat and behave despicably then try picking up women outside of clubs and try just having natural encounters with them in more refined places - like an art show, a theatre, a dog park, a library. You can't get mad because you get hurt when you keep on bashing your head against a wall. Sure, it's easier to pick up some drunken slyt at a bar but there's no way you can ever expect a decent relationship to stem from that. Yes, all women are crazy to varying degrees, but all women are not the most vile, despicable creatures in the world only out to suck as much c0ck as they can.

Amen!

1. Guy is lonely and wants female companionship / fvck / relationship / one-night stand / whatever.
2. Guy gets drunk at a club and pulls stupid, shallow club-slyt.
3. Sober club-slyt proves herself to be stupid, shallow club-slyt.
4. Club-slyt cheats, lies, or is generally just a braindead moron, as many club-slyts - male and female - tend to be.
5. Guy is repulsed, hurt, upset, angry, etc...

Rinse and repeat until he has boned enough of these similar club-slyts to have an extremely low opinion of women as a whole.

My thought on this is pretty much: There are stupid, annoying, crappy people in the world - male AND female. To lessen your chances of ending up with one, it's probably best to NOT look in the scummy basements of the dating world (clubs) if you expect anything more than a fvck. No, not STDs. You know, like an actual decent conversation, loyalty, respect, etc.

 

[[S]alvatore]

Sosuave does more harm than good IF you spend all day on it. Get off the computer, and out in the real world.

 

[playa99]

Brighty... Repped man!

I came to this Forum years ago and when I did it seemed to be filled with like minded people.. I read the Bible, applied it and had more success. If I needed help I came here.. It was the only outlet I had for advice.

Now the Forum is bitter with a negative atmosphere..

The key to recovering from the disease of AFC is positivity!

Read the bible... It offers a lot when applied.

People are to wrapped up in modern technology and need to stop. I will make a post about this soon. Cause its downright unhealthy

 

[user43770]

Ooh, a thread full of females and optimists. Let's all pretend that only club sluts practice hypergamy.


You need to stop thinking in terms of positive and negative; the world is what it is. Deal with it and make the best of it.

 

[JdelaSilviera]

Ooh, a thread full of females and optimists. Let's all pretend that only club sluts practice hypergamy.


You need to stop thinking in terms of positive and negative; the world is what it is. Deal with it and make the best of it.

Sorry to say, but typical brainwashed sosuaver.. Sure the world it is as it is, but probably it´s not what you think. About hypergamy, everyone is hypergamous, we all want girls that are better than us, perhaps not regards to power or money, but regards to looks.. Still we are capable of loving women who are far from perfect... the same is applied to females.

 

[user43770]

Sorry to say, but typical brainwashed sosuaver.. Sure the world it is as it is, but probably it´s not what you think. About hypergamy, everyone is hypergamous, we all want girls that are better than us, perhaps not regards to power or money, but regards to looks.. Still we are capable of loving women who are far from perfect... the same is applied to females.

I don't disagree with everything you said. I think most PUA stuff is BS and many of the posters here are negative, but there is more at play here than people's outlook.

You're right that everyone tries to practice hypergamy. The problem is that not everyone has the same value in the sexual market place.

http://therationalmale.com/2012/06/04/final-exam-navigating-the-smp/

Women's sexual market value peaks much sooner than men's. I would argue that this is why you see so many angry men on this website. Women are out ruthlessly participating in the dating market, while most of their male peers (i.e. sosuavers) are left out in the cold. Most men are AFCs because they don't realize how things work. I think that's what many of the "negative" posters here are trying to get across.

Sometimes reality is just negative. Suck it up, work on yourself and get out there.

 

[djjizzyjeff]

You have some fair points, but you don't see the big picture.
This site is great for UNDERSTANDING what you're up against.

Sosuavers have a very negative view of reality

Maybe some do, but if you were truly into "reality" then you're a realist. That's how I feel.
I may not like how women are, but I actually understand why they are like that.

Many people that are positive in nature come here
Define "positive"
Because refusing to accept the truth isn't positive, it's negative.
I made mistakes but I NEVER thought men and women were equal.
I know guys IRL who act like b!tches, and it hurts, but i treat them like b!tches and they respond like women would respond: positively.

if you said this outside people would look at you as sick.
No argument here. If you said this to most people IRL they would call you misogynistic and then say you are frustrated because you can't get laid. If you respond with "no, i can get laid whenever I want" you'll hear "yea by worthless slvts but they don't count."
The lesson is that you don't speak on it. I'm bringing back the G code because all these fools are breaking it.

women are just bags of meat who fart and burp
What is wrong with thinking this? It's true.
The hottest girl i ever fvked was also the most disgusting.
Putting yourself in the mind of a woman is actually very useful.

Game has it´s limits and most guys out there are not AFCs
OK i'll split this in half
Game has it´s limits
no argument. As far as i'm concerned "game" is only good for getting your foot in the door. However, understanding "game" is KEY to a successful relationship. You have to know your opponent to beat him.

most guys out there are not AFCs
WRONG. Most guys don't know and/or refuse to accept that they are AFCs.
Most of my friends IRL are great, but when it comes to women they are awful. If you have to think "well, if i did what i want to do, my GF would be mad at me" you are an AFC. Best tip I learned from this site (or associated sites) is the key to "success" with women is to stop craving success with women.

I go to a lot of parties, and I can tell you that most guys in their 20´s are completely cool talking to girls, dancing, and fvcking them.
I get where you're coming from with this, and i feel the same way. If you are online a lot you'll eventually read s#it about guys who thinks saying "hi" to a girl means that girl want's to fvck him.
If you are on this site, you aren't one of those guys.
Those guys see a site about "tips to get girls" as "MISOGYNISTIC HEADQUARTERS."
They are unable to think of women as "lesser" than men.
They are the guys who say "yea im a virgin, but i'm fine with it because i'm not a slut and don't mind waiting for the right girl"

Many guys here have to use online dating
I don't know if this is true or not.
Personally the idea of online dating is ridiculous.
The idea someone could type my name in google and see me on a dating site is too much. I won't do it. I don't need to do it.
But honestly, I enjoy reading about guys who are good at doing it.
It's a "game" just like everything else. Succeeding at online dating takes game too, and i think it's a much more complicated game (assuming the girl is hot).


If you are a nerd, your friends are also nerds, so you can get the idea, that women are really *****s who treat men like garbage
I know this feel.
My friends are nerds, and they are whipped by their GFs. Sometimes I slip and speak my opinion about girls, and i get hit with "goddamn your sexist"
I laugh it off, it doesn't mean anything. Hate is fear and they are afraid i'm right.

if you are smart you won´t go for unknown girls at club for a variety of reasons.
Agree, and i'm not even ugly. I can get girls at clubs, but why? The only "worthwhile" club girl is the one who just happened to come along with her sister or cousin because she was peer pressured.
If you can hook up with "club girls" you have serious game, and i can respect that.
Don't get it twisted though, from my experience club girls aren't worth the effort.

But I can assure that if you have a cool circle of friends who have good social skills, your perspective on reality will change quite a bit
Very fvcking true. Some guys dont have this luxury (myself included), so we use sites like SoSuave as an alternate.

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[Aristippus]

Life is a mix of positive and negative. I'm in no way emotionally invested in what people think of the quality of advice given here on this forum. It's a mixed bag really and you're better off comparing what you read with your own direct experience. Does what is being said match up? Does it match up some of the time or is it completely off? Use experience as the measuring stick. And no, I'm not saying you have to do stupid things to have experience to compare something to.

I know it's a bad idea to jump off the Empire State Building without ever having to do it. The negative can have a good or bad effect depending on how you use it. If you live in it and ignore the positive then it's going to hurt you more than help. If you use the negative parts of reality to protect yourself and to take women off of the imaginary pedestal, then it can help. Sometimes the pendulum swings too far in one direction and you have to go in the opposite direction to achieve some balance.

In the end I think it's about creating a better life for yourself and those you choose to invite into your life. People talk about how the world "is" but sometimes people forget that we all have the potential to be creative and to be creators of a better reality. I'm not saying this in a wishy-washy, feel-good way that has no substance. I'm saying this from a practical and optimistic point of view. It's up to each of us to create the life, the reality we want to.

I'd say, let's look at reality, both good and bad, and then dream. Aspire to something even better. But don't just dream. Act. We use reality simply as a measuring tool to let us know where we are so we can either move towards a positive goal in the future or to stay where we are at, which can be a positive goal too if we are in a good place.

 

[Vice]

Sosuavers have a very negative view of reality that they share with each other, making themselves and others completely depressed. A few months ago there was a thread about a DJ who had to leave blogs dedicated to men and game (chateau, roissy) because they had such a negative view on reality that they affected him. Many people that are positive in nature come here, and then they are confronted with sosuavers reality : an atheistic world view, where we are selfish and brutal animals, women are *****s who will cheat you in a blink of an eye and who **** only the top 1% of guys. I´ve seen threads that say that every people you know wants your failure (from roissy). Guys in order to stop putting women on a pedestal will say things like "women are just bags of meat who fart and burp", or that they " are just organic matter in decay". Although the late quotes are well accepted and applauded on this site, if you said this outside people would look at you as sick.
And yes guys, the world is far from perfect, but if you can´t grasp all the wonderful things it has to offer, the problem is inside your head. And no women or men, which means you will also be repulsive to other guys, wants to be around people who think like this, and that think because their view on reality is so negative that it must be right accusing everyone who thinks otherwise as a wishful thinker.

That was my thread. Those blogs are very informative and useful, but too much of them can indeed lead to a dark view of the world. I check them out every once in a while to read a nugget of gold, and then move on. Return of Kings had a decent article giving some tips on how to take advantage of summer concerts, but that was contrasted by multiple garbage posts.

The blog world is not regulated, so it's kind of an "organic" thing that naturally pops up and develops its own moods, much like these forums.

This is why I prefer to get the bulk of my learning from paid programs, namely David DeAngelo & Real Social Dynamics. They are packed FULL of useful information, and its delivered very well. Real Social Dynamics is great because they're still active and in touch with today's dating world. David DeAngelo is excellent for a deep understanding of not only dating, but social dynamics in general. Those who study David DeAngelo's programs are high caliber guys.

The negative personality I developed repelled people. This was because I would seethe the hatred from what I learned about the world, and many people are delusional and the "red pill truth" bothers them. Well, here's the thing; most people can't handle the truth. And don't offer it. They more than likely won't be able to apply it anyway.

I prefer results, so I've stopped trying to educate other people about the "red pill". Instead I use my knowledge for personal gain, and to keep tabs on the people in my life and create fun predictions.

Real Social Dynamics has a story where one guy's girlfriend was hit on by a popular musician at a party in LA. She didn't cheat on him. Again, not all women will cheat when given an opportunity. If she does, become the kind of MAN who gracefully drops her and can easily obtain another woman. Don't become the guy who spends years fuming over the situation. That's not productive; that's sad.

As soon as I shifted my mindset from "knowing the red pill truth" to focusing on RESULTS, my mind was able to filter out most of the crap out there. I'm happier living in the grey zone between the "red" and "blue" pill people, taking the best from both worlds.

 

[Hustlaz Ambition]

That was my thread. Those blogs are very informative and useful, but too much of them can indeed lead to a dark view of the world. I check them out every once in a while to read a nugget of gold, and then move on. Return of Kings had a decent article giving some tips on how to take advantage of summer concerts, but that was contrasted by multiple garbage posts.

The blog world is not regulated, so it's kind of an "organic" thing that naturally pops up and develops its own moods, much like these forums.

This is why I prefer to get the bulk of my learning from paid programs, namely David DeAngelo & Real Social Dynamics. They are packed FULL of useful information, and its delivered very well. Real Social Dynamics is great because they're still active and in touch with today's dating world. David DeAngelo is excellent for a deep understanding of not only dating, but social dynamics in general. Those who study David DeAngelo's programs are high caliber guys.

The negative personality I developed repelled people. This was because I would seethe the hatred from what I learned about the world, and many people are delusional and the "red pill truth" bothers them. Well, here's the thing; most people can't handle the truth. And don't offer it. They more than likely won't be able to apply it anyway.

I prefer results, so I've stopped trying to educate other people about the "red pill". Instead I use my knowledge for personal gain, and to keep tabs on the people in my life and create fun predictions.

Real Social Dynamics has a story where one guy's girlfriend was hit on by a popular musician at a party in LA. She didn't cheat on him. Again, not all women will cheat when given an opportunity. If she does, become the kind of MAN who gracefully drops her and can easily obtain another woman. Don't become the guy who spends years fuming over the situation. That's not productive; that's sad.

As soon as I shifted my mindset from "knowing the red pill truth" to focusing on RESULTS, my mind was able to filter out most of the crap out there. I'm happier living in the grey zone between the "red" and "blue" pill people, taking the best from both worlds.

Yea I posted something similar to this in another thread. It seems alot of these dudes got played or were never good with women in their highschool/college years and are now bitter about it.

http://www.rsdnation.com/tyler/blog/...l-would-i-care
Good lord... I don't even have words. Imma just say there are some disturbed members on this board. I understand some guys never return to sanity after having their heartbroken by a female, but Jesus Christ retain some dignity. It's not healthy to walk around with all that hatred in your heart.
its a waste of time responding to them dudes. There is clearly something wrong going on in their lives if they believe in everything they typed.