Sosuave member shoots girl in the face!!!

[Quiksilver]

Just because somebody is guilty of attempted murder does not make advice they gave six years ago mean nothing.

As an example, Henry Kissinger is wanted for war crimes in many countries yet your government still takes advice from him. He ordered the carpet bombing of Cambodia in the Vietnam War which resulted in the death of 30,000 civilians.

Murderer? Yes.

Gives good foreign policy advice? Yes.

 

[JT7890]

Quiksilver

Just because somebody is guilty of attempted murder does not make advice they gave six years ago mean nothing.

Well facts are facts. Say if a guy gave you fitness advice that you should eat a number of small meals a day instead of 2-3 big meals, that would be good advice right? Sure it would.

But wouldn't the messenger be a non-credible source if he was OBESE and you had no real tangible provable evidence that he was a fitness trainer/athlete in a prior year? Why is an OBESE man who has NEVER reached such fitness levels, giving me fitness advice he read out of a magazine or found on a blog? The information MIGHT be true, but I just think that certain "people" need not step on the soapbox and present it if they themselves are not living it or haven't lived it.

With Gunwitch, we have absolutely no proof on who he said he was six years ago, for all I know he could just be a very good keyboard jockey. Why was he on the soapbox? Same with Pook? Why does the seduction community prop up guys based upon how they WRITE instead of the experiences they PRESENT? I think crediblity should be given to the guy that posts field reports, pics, experiences with individual girls, etc. If a theory is going to evolve let it come from a specific or a number of field reports, NOT armchair psychology.

Now, to go back to my obese example, Gov. Arnold doesn't have the body he had back in the day, but if Arnold was to give me fitness advice would I take it? YES. Because I can point to a specific time when Arnold WAS what he preached and that combined with the good advice he would give, I would take heed.

But some seduction artist armchair/keyboard jockey? Who made countless threads and websites about "how to get laid" without a single field report, PICTURE, girl on his podcasts, or ANYTHING? No, hell no, I don't see HIM as a credible source at all. Maybe his advice was correct on some levels, but my beef again is that HE should not have been on the soapbox presenting it if he himself didn't embody it or presented evidence that he embodied it.

Again, the ugly mugshot is the FIRST pic most of the seduction community has ever seen of the guy, that further proves my point. He also talked about in his threads about how looks didn't matter that much (which is what most ugly and/or fat guys say), and from an overwhelming number of guys IN THE FIELD, they tell you that EVERYTHING matters and you can't have one without the other on some level (looks/game/money/status).

 

[squirrels]

Obviously theres been 6 years in between those posts of yours, but what made you realize Gunwitch's advice was bullsh!t? You clearly say the ideas of the Gunwitch method has led to success for you, and now you are saying that he's just talking pyscho babble? Can I ask why?

When did I say it was bullsh!t??

Ever read it?

http://gunwitch.fastseduction.com/

It is EXCELLENT advice for getting laid. It's at the core of any good "game"...unapologetic sexual desire in its natural state. Women respond instinctively to this.

The thing is...seeing this is like seeing the "code" in the Matrix for the first time. You start to realize that the commonly accepted social mechanism for male-female pair bonding is just a skin...you can circumvent it entirely and access women at the primal level. And then you start to realize that this doesn't apply to just women...ALL the rules are flexible if you're willing to accept the consequences.

If you're not well-grounded, this could easily drive you insane or make it hard for you to function in society. GW is a case in point. I can't vouch for his success or how many/what quality women he ran with, but his advice in the link above is dangerously spot-on.

Women think VERY similarly, and operate biologically quite the same sexually as men. Since biblical times, women have been conditioned by society that this is wrong though. They put on a mask that conforms to social norms. The "slut" "*****" or promiscuous woman who has many sexual partners is actually superior in her lack of suggestibility compared to regular women who maintain monogamous relationships because of societal expectations. Things had not been this way in the human mating ritual prior to the last 2-5000 years. Beta (inferior less attractive) males who happened to be intellectually superior set up misogynistic arranged marriages, barter systems for financial ownership of wives, religious persecution and moral persecution for women who enjoyed sex with the alpha (superior more attractive) males, as a means of being able to secure sex for themselves with no alpha competition.

Today, religion, moral conduct, and societal expectations cannot RULE the female sex drive, nor her instincts and her desires by force. This leads us ALL to a problem. Women seek and choose long term relationships with only the most desirable of men. They often try to entrap the alpha male into unnatural sex commitments, while giving the beta male no sex because they want to have one partner, and do not want it to be a beta male. Kinda backfired on them cheeky little **** heel betas didn't it?

Now women "cheat" when they want sexual variety and then are scorned by society as "sluts" or "unfaithful *****es", despite the reality that it’s just natural for a sexually healthy human being to want variety in sex partners.

It is VITAL to have the understanding that women (sexually healthy non frigid women) LOVE sex and desire it just as much as we do. YET they cannot come out and admit it or be labelled a slut, AND cannot act on it consistently (outside of long term relationships or with multiple partners) with anyone’s knowledge or be labelled the same far faster. Of course, as of late, more and more women are admitting their desire for sex and acting on it more casually.

This alone is worth the price of admission.

 

[The Assistant]

Well facts are facts. Say if a guy gave you fitness advice that you should eat a number of small meals a day instead of 2-3 big meals, that would be good advice right? Sure it would.

But wouldn't the messenger be a non-credible source if he was OBESE and you had no real tangible provable evidence that he was a fitness trainer/athlete in a prior year? Why is an OBESE man who has NEVER reached such fitness levels, giving me fitness advice he read out of a magazine or found on a blog? The information MIGHT be true, but I just think that certain "people" need not step on the soapbox and present it if they themselves are not living it or haven't lived it.

With Gunwitch, we have absolutely no proof on who he said he was six years ago, for all I know he could just be a very good keyboard jockey. Why was he on the soapbox? Same with Pook? Why does the seduction community prop up guys based upon how they WRITE instead of the experiences they PRESENT? I think crediblity should be given to the guy that posts field reports, pics, experiences with individual girls, etc. If a theory is going to evolve let it come from a specific or a number of field reports, NOT armchair psychology.

Now, to go back to my obese example, Gov. Arnold doesn't have the body he had back in the day, but if Arnold was to give me fitness advice would I take it? YES. Because I can point to a specific time when Arnold WAS what he preached and that combined with the good advice he would give, I would take heed.

But some seduction artist armchair/keyboard jockey? Who made countless threads and websites about "how to get laid" without a single field report, PICTURE, girl on his podcasts, or ANYTHING? No, hell no, I don't see HIM as a credible source at all. Maybe his advice was correct on some levels, but my beef again is that HE should not have been on the soapbox presenting it if he himself didn't embody it or presented evidence that he embodied it.

Again, the ugly mugshot is the FIRST pic most of the seduction community has ever seen of the guy, that further proves my point. He also talked about in his threads about how looks didn't matter that much (which is what most ugly and/or fat guys say), and from an overwhelming number of guys IN THE FIELD, they tell you that EVERYTHING matters and you can't have one without the other on some level (looks/game/money/status).

anyone who is successful at laying women, knows for a fact that Gunwitch's advice on getting women to fvck is ON POINT.

Take any amount of players who have never heard of Gunwitch, show them the Gunwitch method, and they will all say "yup, that's basically how I get pvssy"

Those who are unsuccessful with women are the only ones who don't believe that "sexual state" is the way to get girls to fvck

 

[ArcBound]

My bad squirrels it seems I misunderstood your response to San Jose California. Because you quoted the word advice I thought you were mocking Gunwitch's advices, but reading the rest of the paragraph clearly, it seems you are talking about how powerful his advice that it could drive someone crazy from knowing how effective it could be. I definitely fvcked up there, but I didn't see the point of putting the word advice in quotes because to anyone reading it, it frames the rest of the paragraph as you debasing Gunwitch's work, which is the mistake I made.

 

[Darth]

Gunwitch, like many others, advocated a very primal (but popular in our current society) action- screwing as many women as possible.

That is an animalistic urge, contrary to the moral stance.

BUT if you behave like an animal in one respect, what is stopping you from continuing down that path? It may be only a matter of time before that leaks into other areas of life.

Case in point: Gunwitch solves an argument using extreme brutality. That is primal. That is animal.

As humans and good people, hopefully we can do better.

Gunwitch's "advice" pointed to the animal nature in human beings.

This is the "dark side" of all this Don Juan crap...

 

[The Assistant]

Gunwitch, like many others, advocated a very primal (but popular in our current society) action- screwing as many women as possible.

That is an animalistic urge, contrary to the moral stance.

BUT if you behave like an animal in one respect, what is stopping you from continuing down that path? It may be only a matter of time before that leaks into other areas of life.

Case in point: Gunwitch solves an argument using extreme brutality. That is primal. That is animal.

As humans and good people, hopefully we can do better.

most of us are smart enough to know that we can take his animalistic sexual advice, and NOT go and attempt to kill anyone.....once again, LOGIC

 

[BigJimbo]

Gunwitch, like many others, advocated a very primal (but popular in our current society) action- screwing as many women as possible.

That is an animalistic urge, contrary to the moral stance.

BUT if you behave like an animal in one respect, what is stopping you from continuing down that path? It may be only a matter of time before that leaks into other areas of life.

Case in point: Gunwitch solves an argument using extreme brutality. That is primal. That is animal.

As humans and good people, hopefully we can do better.

Nice point. I agree in many ways. This means that some will be reporting you to the mods asking that you get banned. You are now a troll to many. Congratulations. You are smarter than 98% on here!

Hey, the idea that anyone would promote such a loser is shocking. Just look at where the guy lived. Look at his tastes. How he talked. What he drank. He was trash.

BTW, look at all the guys on here who have blogs. I rest my case.:crackup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp46uoAyNLw
Okay. The real question of the day is whether or not West End Girls did The Pet Shop Boys justice? I think they did.

 

[Rogue]

Darth:
BUT if you behave like an animal in one respect, what is stopping you from continuing down that path? It may be only a matter of time before that leaks into other areas of life.

This is the same old flawed reasoning as applied to atheism. "If someone doesn't believe a god, then what's to stop them from murder?" There are our upbringings, our socializations, our social intelligence, our mental fitness, our evolved capacity for compassion and empathy of our fellow human beings. In essence, being a sensibly good reasonable person is what stops the path.

 

[squirrels]

This is the same old flawed reasoning as applied to atheism. "If someone doesn't believe a god, then what's to stop them from murder?" There are our upbringings, our socializations, our social intelligence, our mental fitness, our evolved capacity for compassion and empathy of our fellow human beings. The truth is dark but there is not enough darkness in the whole world to extinguish the light of a small candle.

What you don't understand is that the vast majority of people are STUPID. Not only stupid, but SELFISH as well. They can't see anything beyond "how to get mines".

For most people, the only thing stopping them from committing crimes like murder, rape, theft is the threat of "getting caught". When there was some invisible guy in the clouds who was going to f**k you for all eternity if you did bad, those people could be kept in line. Without that looming hellfire, the state's punishment is the only thing that keeps the vast majority of stupid, selfish people from doing wrong. If they think they can do something and not get caught, they will do it.

There are those that understand we are stronger when we work together as a people, under certain conventions such as, "don't kill other people, don't steal from others, etc", but to act like that is enough for the majority is naive at best.

That's why communism doesn't work...most people do NOT care for the common good. Those in power abuse the system dishonestly to create more for themselves, those not in power ignore the system entirely and make a mess of things through criminal acts.

I'm not here to argue that religion is necessary for a civilized population, but you can't deny that it IS an effective means of keeping the masses civilized.

 

[JustLurk]

Hmm, Subliminal messages and sarcastic undertones are quite similar to read into. The text you quoted me on, hate to say was a satire to the thread. I was hoping that either the repetition or the exclamation marks might have given me away. I was hoping to make Mark Twain jealous with that satirical piece!

Game overcomes.. keep interest, lay ladies!
Did you see what I did there?
Let's see that again: (Don't.) Game overcomes.. keep interest, lay ladies!
Look into NLP to see how "subliminal" could be added.

@squirrels: Like Jekyll and Hyde.. And I don't know about the "most people", but I have a conscience.

 

[squirrels]

Game overcomes.. keep interest, lay ladies!
Did you see what I did there?
Let's see that again: (Don't.) Game overcomes.. keep interest, lay ladies!
Look into NLP to see how "subliminal" could be added.

@squirrels: Like Jekyll and Hyde.. And I don't know about the "most people", but I have a conscience.

"Conscience" is weak without something to support it. If not religion or some sense of societal "judgement", what supports your "conscience"?

 

[Rogue]

What you don't understand is that the vast majority of people are STUPID. Not only stupid, but SELFISH as well. They can't see anything beyond "how to get mines".

I'm writing a research essay on the evolution of empathy. There is scientific evidence in the study of other social primates that humans have a natural evolved sense of empathy. It's this evolved capacity of empathy which where the basis of human morality was derived. There is even evidence in neurology of an universal moral grammar. Large human societies would not exist today and we would still be living in grass huts if it was not for the ingrained evolutionary sense of empathy. But you will need to wait for the essay to hear my arguments.

 

[romangod]

"Conscience" is weak without something to support it. If not religion or some sense of societal "judgement", what supports your "conscience"?

What supports my conscience is the ability to look at myself in the mirror and know that I did the right thing. Personally, I believe that god lies in my conscience. When I betray it it lets me know it in no uncertain terms.

"If there is no God, everything is permitted." Fyodor Dostoevsky


Cheers!

 

[Julian]

holy ****. mind=blown.

 

[JustLurk]

What supports my conscience is the ability to look at myself in the mirror and know that I did the right thing. Personally, I believe that god lies in my conscience. When I betray it it lets me know it in no uncertain terms

If I could have found this topic under the pile of new topics I would have responded, squirrels, but I think this guy says it rightly enough. I also believe in God, so that serves to keep me in line, but, mostly, doing things against your conscience is punishing yourself.

 

[3countriesPlan]

Too bad for her.. who knows why she got shot.. anyways his advice is still solid.. that being said.. it doesn't matter what he does in his life. for the purpose of pick up he was a help to the site.. sure hes unstable at the least.. but this is sosuave, not some poli tic al site..