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Something is wrong with me otherwise I wouldn't entertain this idea. I have written extensively about this chick who's BPD/Bipolar (diagnosed).

I followed the advice from many good soldiers here and worked wonders, so I thought. Just when I began getting my sh!t together and start dating a couple of hot chicks, confidence growing high, starting my own consultancy business, rebuilding my relationship with the mother of my son, getting accepted into a PhD program ... my ex has suddenly appeared.

Yes I blocked her number, maintained no contact and never attempted to rekindle anything but out of the blue she sent me an email (using a made up account) explaining all things she did me wrong and apologising and wanting just to be 'closer' to me etc.

Something is seriously wrong with me but I have a very weak spot for this woman. I decided to give her a call and listen to all she had to say. At first it was me wanting to get my closure as I never had one, but then i've realised how pathetic her life has become and felt sorry for her. Now I am thinking of crossing an ocean to see her. I am emotional detached and I dont think i can ever bring back the romance i had once but secs was amazing!

Why can i not drop this woman and accept she never existed? Do I need professional help? It's been four month since I last spoke to her before this past weekend. They indeed do fvcking come back. My phone has been non-stop with calls and texts since Friday.
 

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It comes down to self love.

If you love yourself, you'd stay away from that woman.

Seks might have been good however would you lose your peace of mind, your confidence, your happiness, your common sense, your life, your ability to scoop up other girls, your legacy, your future kids, you having better seks with other girls, just because of a girl you already fcuked?

A girl you already gave your all and it didn't work, would you willingly give her your all again just to reconfirm it would not work?


If that didnt put it into perspective for you, then go ahead get hurt.


When she's done with you, you might then begin to understand the concept of self love.

Oh and by the way, ol girl doesnt love you.

Wanna know how I know? If she loves you she would want the best for you if that's you being with her or you being with someone else.

If she loves you, she'd let you go rather than emotionally manipulate you using your weak spots in order to over power your conscious mind.

I'd be saying a prayer for your quick recovery because this lady would rip your heart out your chest.


Tough love my friend. Tough love. It's your life against her satisfaction, please choose yourself.
 
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Let this go my friend.. my ex stalked me for nearly 6 months if not more.. it was extremely hard for me to keep ignoring her, and it hurt like fuk.. but you have to do this for your own sanity..

Nothing will change... these woman are toxic and they will never better themselves.. keep moving forward or you will seriously regret..

You will be giving up so much, just for some good sex.. stick with no contact
 

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Onion said:
Why can i not drop this woman and accept she never existed? Do I need professional help? It's been four month since I last spoke to her before this past weekend. They indeed do fvcking come back. My phone has been non-stop with calls and texts since Friday.
You're weak that's why. You're too attached to female validation she's the love of your life and other sh1t when she's nothing more than a fvcked up crazy b1tch who you get satisfaction with through sex. You've been blinded by her vagina. She will only serve to fvck you up. You want to be around women of value not women who are messed up.

It's just an example how men are grown up to be pvssies these days. We are socially conditioned to be women's tampons, it is not our fault but we need to grow the fvck up. You don't need professional help, there are a lot of free resources out there. I suggest RSD Tyler's Youtube channel, he is probably the best in the business for internal game. There are also various books and the DJ bible.

You have a head heart conflict with this girl, and that usually happens when you're weak minded. You are insecure about yourself and think this girl will save you. She won't SHE'S A MENTAL FVCKING B1TCH. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. Not only that no girl will save you. You need to value yourself. If you don't no one will. Will Brad Pitt get back with a bipolar girl? Fvck no. He's laugh in her fvcing face.

Take your phone block her number, delete her number, delete her emails, delete her from attention wh0ring media (facebook, ****ter, snapcvnt, instash1te etc), go to the gym, get to work on your business, get some new clothes for yourself, go out and get some new girls in your area and enjoy yourself and never look back.
 

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This is my take on your situation, because I have been in a similar one. Before I say anything I am going to be very presumptuous about the situation you are in and the dynamics that follow. If my interpretation is not the case simply say so, and I will revise my initial theory.

I believe that you are like me in that you have a certain type of intellectual narcissism. You feel like you know what is good for people and therefore are subconsciously attracted to women to whom you can FIX. This is why you are drawn to your ex, and you don't understand why, seeing as you can rationally justify to yourself that she is clearly an unhealthy choice for you. You have this innate desire to fix and alleviate people of their pain because you feel like you have the intellectual power to do so. It is the drive that is most characterized by up and coming psychologist's or people in the medical profession. I only say that this represents your situation because you say that your ex has been clinically diagnosed with Bipolar disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder. Not only that but you have said that she has made it pretty clear that her life is in shambles, to which you developed a strong emotional response to.

The Saviour Complex


You have what I call the saviour complex. You have an innate drive to associate with certain maladaptive individuals, understand them, engage your intellectual prowess, and come up with a suitable way to help them with their troubles. Its a drive that you may not fully understand yourself, but it is a complex one that, if not directed in the right path can land you in toxic relationships, where the dynamic is solely driven around you fixing the problems of deeply troubled people who continue to divulge issues perpetually on you in order to keep you occupied and around. This is all happening on the subconscious level of course. But the unfortunate thing is that anyone who exhibits an emotional/psychological issue has you around their finger tips. So one thing that I would ask you to do is examine yourself first before trying to help others, because this effortful action of helping others may come from deep rooted issues within yourself, and thus lacks true moral conviction. My hypothesis is that it may come from a deep rooted need to have people remain strongly dependent on you, because most likely you have suffered from issues in the past regarding people and their commitment to you and intimate relationships involved with you. You have experienced people treating your company and intimacy with loose indifference and have had trouble keeping people around. Maybe it has to do with your parents. Take a good look at your parents relationship to yourself. Did one of your parents desert you and this makes you feel like you need to keep people around at all costs by keeping them dependent on your saviour attributes? these are all speculations, you have to determine what it is that is causing this deep rooted issue out on your own, with thorough introspection.

The Dynamic Between Individuals w/ Mental Disorder & The Saviour Complex

Last but not least, I will analyze your relationship to this girl, or more generally to this "type" of girl. I would say that because she has Borderline Personality Disorder, (which I have studied extensively in university level abnormal psychology courses) you are better off remaining no contact. This is only because BPD is markedly associated with bouts of negative affectivity and a predisposition to self-inflicted stress. They place themselves in stressful environments and are highly neurotic. Neuroticism, has been shown, through various research studies to be marked by a perpetual self-placement into negative environments which ultimately leads to more stress and more problems, through the processes of whats called the Neurotic Cascade. It has to do with their non-adaptive coping mechanisms, where they tend to "solve" their issues with avoidant-coping mechanisms (escaping through alcohol, drug abuse, staying in bed) or emotion-focused coping mechanisms (soothing their nervousness) - and guess what, that last coping mechanism? thats where you come in my friend. They will literally bombard you with their problems in an attempt to cope with their emotional turmoil, without FACING the problem head on with adaptive coping mechanisms. This doesn't get rid of their problems, so its a never ending cycle of problem emergence and seeking of emotional support from YOU. I wont get into any more of the dynamics, because I could go on forever. There are huge psychology textbooks written, with mounds of scientific research support, discussing these dynamics and I urge you to look into them.

The last thing I want to say is this: The saviour complex you have works in a negatively synergistic way with the BDP or the Bipolar. You have a deep urge to save those who need fixing, and they have a innate urge to seek emotional support as a mechanism of coping with their stress. Unfortunately, it is extremely hard to break free from deep rooted neuroticism, and they are not likely to develop adaptive and efficient coping mechanisms any time soon. You are merely adding stress to your own life, unwillingly, and deleteriously.

I would say move on. Focus on your goals. She has to go deal with her mental illnesses, and you have to focus on your PhD. I am afraid that she will hinder your progress. The love you feel for her is merely, her satisfying a deep emotional urge within you to keep people dependent on you, and she only feels love for you because you are satisfying a stress-related coping mechanism for her. Move on my good friend. The dynamics don't represent true love (whether true love is real or merely deep rooted psychological/evolutionary mechanism is a topic for another time). I have been in the same situation as you, and I suffered in a relationship for 3 years trying to fix a girl who had severe depression (diagnosed). I thought I was getting somewhere and I thought she was improving until she started engaging in questionable actions like cheating on me, and all that. I broke up with her and to this day she is seriously depressed and has major neuroticism issues. # years I tried to help her, save her from her own dark, deep-rooted depression and it did nothing. I have learned from my mistake and I hope you can too. She is even worse now, perpetually entombed in bottomless pits of despair, self-loathing and melancholy. Take it for what it is, a biological predisposition for neurological inefficiency. You cant change it, unless you offer them years of professional cognitive behaviour therapy and a suitable anti depressant (SSRI, SNRI).

Good luck. Feel free to message me whenever.
 

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narcissist said:
This is my take on your situation, because I have been in a similar one. Before I say anything I am going to be very presumptuous about the situation you are in and the dynamics that follow. If my interpretation is not the case simply say so, and I will revise my initial theory.

I believe that you are like me in that you have a certain type of intellectual narcissism. You feel like you know what is good for people and therefore are subconsciously attracted to women to whom you can FIX. This is why you are drawn to your ex, and you don't understand why, seeing as you can rationally justify to yourself that she is clearly an unhealthy choice for you. You have this innate desire to fix and alleviate people of their pain because you feel like you have the intellectual power to do so. It is the drive that is most characterized by up and coming psychologist's or people in the medical profession. I only say that this represents your situation because you say that your ex has been clinically diagnosed with Bipolar disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder. Not only that but you have said that she has made it pretty clear that her life is in shambles, to which you developed a strong emotional response to.

The Saviour Complex


You have what I call the saviour complex. You have an innate drive to associate with certain maladaptive individuals, understand them, engage your intellectual prowess, and come up with a suitable way to help them with their troubles. Its a drive that you may not fully understand yourself, but it is a complex one that, if not directed in the right path can land you in toxic relationships, where the dynamic is solely driven around you fixing the problems of deeply troubled people who continue to divulge issues perpetually on you in order to keep you occupied and around. This is all happening on the subconscious level of course. But the unfortunate thing is that anyone who exhibits an emotional/psychological issue has you around their finger tips. So one thing that I would ask you to do is examine yourself first before trying to help others, because this effortful action of helping others may come from deep rooted issues within yourself, and thus lacks true moral conviction. My hypothesis is that it may come from a deep rooted need to have people remain strongly dependent on you, because most likely you have suffered from issues in the past regarding people and their commitment to you and intimate relationships involved with you. You have experienced people treating your company and intimacy with loose indifference and have had trouble keeping people around. Maybe it has to do with your parents. Take a good look at your parents relationship to yourself. Did one of your parents desert you and this makes you feel like you need to keep people around at all costs by keeping them dependent on your saviour attributes? these are all speculations, you have to determine what it is that is causing this deep rooted issue out on your own, with thorough introspection.

The Dynamic Between Individuals w/ Mental Disorder & The Saviour Complex

Last but not least, I will analyze your relationship to this girl, or more generally to this "type" of girl. I would say that because she has Borderline Personality Disorder, (which I have studied extensively in university level abnormal psychology courses) you are better off remaining no contact. This is only because BPD is markedly associated with bouts of negative affectivity and a predisposition to self-inflicted stress. They place themselves in stressful environments and are highly neurotic. Neuroticism, has been shown, through various research studies to be marked by a perpetual self-placement into negative environments which ultimately leads to more stress and more problems, through the processes of whats called the Neurotic Cascade. It has to do with their non-adaptive coping mechanisms, where they tend to "solve" their issues with avoidant-coping mechanisms (escaping through alcohol, drug abuse, staying in bed) or emotion-focused coping mechanisms (soothing their nervousness) - and guess what, that last coping mechanism? thats where you come in my friend. They will literally bombard you with their problems in an attempt to cope with their emotional turmoil, without FACING the problem head on with adaptive coping mechanisms. This doesn't get rid of their problems, so its a never ending cycle of problem emergence and seeking of emotional support from YOU. I wont get into any more of the dynamics, because I could go on forever. There are huge psychology textbooks written, with mounds of scientific research support, discussing these dynamics and I urge you to look into them.

The last thing I want to say is this: The saviour complex you have works in a negatively synergistic way with the BDP or the Bipolar. You have a deep urge to save those who need fixing, and they have a innate urge to seek emotional support as a mechanism of coping with their stress. Unfortunately, it is extremely hard to break free from deep rooted neuroticism, and they are not likely to develop adaptive and efficient coping mechanisms any time soon. You are merely adding stress to your own life, unwillingly, and deleteriously.

I would say move on. Focus on your goals. She has to go deal with her mental illnesses, and you have to focus on your PhD. I am afraid that she will hinder your progress. The love you feel for her is merely, her satisfying a deep emotional urge within you to keep people dependent on you, and she only feels love for you because you are satisfying a stress-related coping mechanism for her. Move on my good friend. The dynamics don't represent true love (whether true love is real or merely deep rooted psychological/evolutionary mechanism is a topic for another time). I have been in the same situation as you, and I suffered in a relationship for 3 years trying to fix a girl who had severe depression (diagnosed). I thought I was getting somewhere and I thought she was improving until she started engaging in questionable actions like cheating on me, and all that. I broke up with her and to this day she is seriously depressed and has major neuroticism issues. # years I tried to help her, save her from her own dark, deep-rooted depression and it did nothing. I have learned from my mistake and I hope you can too. She is even worse now, perpetually entombed in bottomless pits of despair, self-loathing and melancholy. Take it for what it is, a biological predisposition for neurological inefficiency. You cant change it, unless you offer them years of professional cognitive behaviour therapy and a suitable anti depressant (SSRI, SNRI).

Good luck. Feel free to message me whenever.

narcissist you left me utterly speechless. Everything which you said about me is totally correct and more. This isn't the first time I got involved with a woman with serious issues, even though I was too busy to deal with the emotional mindfvcking the first one tried to subject me to. I didn't make too much of it at the time and moved on very quickly.

I somehow associate women who keep me on my toes woman I fail in 'love' with and worth keeping. I try to keep those types at all cost. I am dating a woman whom by anyone's standard classy, intelligent, good looking and doesn't create ****storm unnecessarily. She's been pushing for exclusivity at every opportunity but I have none of it. I am totally numb and don't even call, text or any of the stuff which I did with my ex endlessly. Somehow I developed the shield not to see the quality in 'quality women'.

My ex in question came from a broken family, abusive mum and non-existent dad. First date we went out she admitted cheating on her bf but gave me many reasons why she did what she did. She is very intelligent and been to college twice, studying good course (MD then PharmD) only to drop out twice. Here comes the white-knight in me and I thought exactly what you said. I can save her. I can be the man who would see the good in her and make her the person she could become. Instead after countless attempts, endless bs, a couple of cheating, constant lies, blame and more and after spending so much money on her trying to fix her by paying for therapy or maintain her life style, here I am now back to square one asking for advice.

I can type all about my background but it's a public forum and probably not worth the time of some people who need help from this. But I can tell you one thing. Everything you said is true and it isn't her rather me who needs fixing. She is doing what she's trained to do from birth and I can't blame her for that but as for me, I need to take a massive step back and look at myself in a mirror.

I am a very intelligent guy working for one of the largest IT firms in the world. I graduated with the highest possible score form my postgrad Uni. I run a couple of businesses on the side and have no issues with confidence per-se and yet I was brought down to my knees by this woman whom almost drove me to end my life after I thought I lost contact to my son. The slightest sight or thought of her sends shivers down my spine and here I am seriously thinking of meeting her assuming may be she has changed even though she can't. Thanks for that insight and I will work on myself.
 

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Mauser96 said:
Read the bold

Your only defense is absolute NC.

Learn this and live it, or continue to suffer
Mauser96 I read many of your post and helped me to keep going and no different to what you said above bro.
 

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My BPD ex is still sniffing around...after almost a year. The more I ignore, the more she texts. But you gotta do what's right for you and your own well being. Stay NC.
 

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BPD = dont do it. Lemme tell you a little story.

http://gettinbetter.com/ http://shrink4men.com/

visit these 2 places the first one looks on matters more filosophically and the second more practically, both written by women - conclusion is the same. Stay the **** away.

I was with this girl neva diagnosed at least that I know of but there was always this big ass abnormality thing going on beneath, the **** she went through was heavy indeed (is used in a professional victim style to gain... whatever) and I doubt I know even 50 % of it. Criminal family, hard stuff lots of dissapointment, abandonment, parental failures all that ****.

You will notice the maneurisms - always wanting to sqeeze on sompe pimples and blisters on both her and my skin, where the said blisters dont exist at all, creating big wounds in the process. When everything is quiet - scratch slowly unhumanly somewhere on her body - just to make sure she exists. Always on high alert, if you snap your fingers near her she goes bananas. She also frequently shared about dissociative moments.

Eating disorders - she never ate well, was really slim, but never eating alot, always cutting food in small pieces like anorexics do, though she was never even remotely fat from the pics Ive seen.

Tatoos - 2.

There is no relation between cheating and BPD I think, there is realtion between a man acting all chumpy and cheating I think, although the constant need of attention shower was there, of course you have a girl with killer looks and very low self esteem hah interesting combo, not very good, always doing stuff to leave the impression that "If you **** up alot, my coworker\friend\the plumber Joe is there to take me in his loving arms". I didnt buy too much into this ****. But I had no idea how damaged the individual really was - this uncovers slowly. I was pretty immature white knight myself pretty childish. Though I played it pretty well, I enjoyed that prime ass, treated her pretty bad to keep her in check, but I let her get too incorporated in my life, moved in with me, tried to kick her out twice, but it seemed so heartless to do it, and yes I loved her more than myself, she was unhappy in my city (she is unhappy in general and cant be happy, never), moved to another city with her, still I got the better end, when disrespect arouse at one point (after cutting me from my social circle in the new city where she knew more people), I just packed my bags and left her. She never even encouraged me I was working at 2 places then also going to interviews for a better job, she was still very critical, never saying anyhting encouraging, all that negativity, like I sit on my ass doing nothing. Like she is superior couse she can get jobs just by being beautiful as ****, so is it my fault I gotta work harder? Lol. At this point I still had some hope she is capable of feeling love but I kinda lost it and started drinking very heavily (Im not a saint, there are few drugs I havent done).

She would criticise about anything anytime, even when she was guilty of the same thing :D

The last nail was when she told me she was planning to go to a vacation with her collegues while Im here busting my ass. Lol. I was all like Ok, Im cool, I was just watching the disrespect arise more and more like that and one morning I packed my bags. So no probs with me apart from a broken heart and a broken mind but thats not so bad.

Other perks of this kind:

- She will withhold affection, if you show her you mean bussiness from the start I dont think she will withhold sex, but she will make it surprisingly unpleasurable when she wants to, then sometimes she will make it complete heaven. Even if she just lies back and does nothing, she is the master of your pleasure she controls her vagina and everything like no other. Also you get that kinda **** in the sense that 'Youre invading my personal space" when you try to hug her or smth lol. Then 3 minutes later she wants sex. Go figure.

She knows how to destroy something then blame someone else for it.

We never sweettalked much saying "I love you" or whatever was a pure rarity, but worked with me, since I dont like that **** either. I see people knowing each other for 2 months saying I love you every time they on the phone lol? But hers was too much it was ice cold baby ice cold, but then when she gives you something, whatever, it feels like heaven.

It feels like she needs parents and not friend\lover couse she is emotionally 5 years old and that affects all areas of the human mind.

She is capable of driving you to the point of going physically aggressive on her because when she flips hard, the accusations become so counter common sense that you flip too no matter how stable you think you are, also her trying to inflict physicall pain on you with these beutifull hands would seem amusing if it wasnt so sad. I think she needs somebody to be aggresive at least with her, it kinda purges her troubled mind. Much like a little child, she affects you anyway she wants though. Her ex was even a bigger traiwreck after her, he was pretty unstable too so she affected him much worse, I came out pretty K.

Highly addictive. But I was a complete asshat in many ways too so it balanced out. But to a point. Couse you can feel love. She cant. No way. Its a problem with the emotions, its a process which started since birth so changing these poisonous behaviours will take alot of time, and its her bussiness you cant fix this like its a car or something.

She also always paints the ex black couse thats a good weapon to catch a new male - much like a spoiled child, pretending to be in worse condition than reality to gain sympathy. Idk how she did it with me, I broke contact completely since new year and even before this - shes so far away. But her family knows how she is damn well and her friends and family know me damn well so how can she paint me black beyond the stunt at the end IDK. But shes good, its all she knows, its what she does best.

Its really sad that this girl is the most gentle soul in the world when shes OK, but even the slightest emotional discomfort is DEATH to the OK state, and she flips into whatever form of madness she flips and it lasts until the blame for the emotional discomfort is shifted to some imaginary "fact" rather that the fact that she is emotionally unadequate. So her reality is not mine. Her reality is very very sad and twisted. Mostly it came in the form of general grumpiness and bitterness, and you know, nobody can live happily with grumpy people couse your mood gets killed too all the time. Also there is the thing that she is controlling her emotions all nice all day long at work, then when she comes back guess what happens. This striving to be NORMAL (because she is not normal and she knows it damn well) depletes her energy alot, again, its sad. She is not intellectually very OK, didnt read no books as a kid at least, bad education, very nice sensitivity and sensuality to her, and a good loyal worker, I think she would have become a good painter and a good poet, but when there shouldve been somebody to tell her all this stuff and encourage her there wasnt. This even as I write it brings a tear in my eye because its damn unfair but... Im no Jesus ****ing Christ so what can I do -.-

The two things as self criticism and negative self evaluation I heard from her were:

- Sometimes I feel like a freak :)@)

- What will I do when Im old and wrinkled and nobody loves me. (this is typicall for girls who havent developed much)

The positive self evaluation didnt exist at all, like saying "Im good at XXXX", it was all stories in which she was the good guy.


Its all very sad really and this stuff on those sites I posted is REAL **** its not some fairytale. Couse my girl was a hmm... Lets say a light case? The stories Ive read... Horrible stuff.
 
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stevo said:
It comes down to self love.

If you love yourself, you'd stay away from that woman.

Seks might have been good however would you lose your peace of mind, your confidence, your happiness, your common sense, your life, your ability to scoop up other girls, your legacy, your future kids, you having better seks with other girls, just because of a girl you already fcuked?

A girl you already gave your all and it didn't work, would you willingly give her your all again just to reconfirm it would not work?


If that didnt put it into perspective for you, then go ahead get hurt.



When she's done with you, you might then begin to understand the concept of self love.

Oh and by the way, ol girl doesnt love you.

Wanna know how I know? If she loves you she would want the best for you if that's you being with her or you being with someone else.

If she loves you, she'd let you go rather than emotionally manipulate you using your weak spots in order to over power your conscious mind.

I'd be saying a prayer for your quick recovery because this lady would rip your heart out your chest.


Tough love my friend. Tough love. It's your life against her satisfaction, please choose yourself.
stevo. I hear you. Thanks for the kind words. Not easy what this vampires can subject you to. It's a journey which I know I will face some rough rides no doubt but I have learnt from some good guys on this site who have made it and live to tell the tale of these destructive women who quite frankly should be locked up in some institution never to harm another man.
 

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LMFAO said:
You're weak that's why. You're too attached to female validation she's the love of your life and other sh1t when she's nothing more than a fvcked up crazy b1tch who you get satisfaction with through sex. You've been blinded by her vagina. She will only serve to fvck you up. You want to be around women of value not women who are messed up.

It's just an example how men are grown up to be pvssies these days. We are socially conditioned to be women's tampons, it is not our fault but we need to grow the fvck up. You don't need professional help, there are a lot of free resources out there. I suggest RSD Tyler's Youtube channel, he is probably the best in the business for internal game. There are also various books and the DJ bible.

You have a head heart conflict with this girl, and that usually happens when you're weak minded. You are insecure about yourself and think this girl will save you. She won't SHE'S A MENTAL FVCKING B1TCH. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. Not only that no girl will save you. You need to value yourself. If you don't no one will. Will Brad Pitt get back with a bipolar girl? Fvck no. He's laugh in her fvcing face.

Take your phone block her number, delete her number, delete her emails, delete her from attention wh0ring media (facebook, ****ter, snapcvnt, instash1te etc), go to the gym, get to work on your business, get some new clothes for yourself, go out and get some new girls in your area and enjoy yourself and never look back.
Bro I needed that.
 
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