Somewhat Frusterated with The Game

[animal crackers]

Alright, so i've been getting quite a bunch of numbers lately and i'm not too happy with the results.

I have been able to get a few different day 2's, but not many.

Most girls that I call sound REALLY enthusiastic when I contact them, but we never end up getting together.

I'm really upset because I'm going to be gone for over a week now, and I was trying to meet up w/some of them before I left.

I think my problems are:

-Forgetting EVERYTHING about the girl. I literally call up random #'s in my phonebook. They all remember me however.

-I just ask what they are doing that night, and they usually are already doing something. I don't make plans with them for another day, I just say i'll call them later...I should do that.

- Not talking enough on the phone with the girls before suggesting a meet. I think this may help because I dont remember ANYTHING about these girls, or even really what they look like, and they can probably sense that.



I don' t know I've been out with some girls, and messed around with a few, but with the amount of #s I actually get I feel like I'm doing something wrong.

The field report where I got 9#s I have yet to meet up with any of them. Of course I only called half of them, and never really set up anything, but I just expect them to call me back, and that just doesn't happen.


I'm just frusterated, and trying to figure out how to be more efficient. I think taking a pen and paper and writing about each girl I # close would REALLY help on this. It would help me remember what kind of connection we had, and interesting things to talk about. I'll try that...

If anyone has any comments of suggestions I would like to know.

 

[MetalFortress]

Take notes about her in your phone book IE Name, what she looks like, height, etc.

 

[animal crackers]

My phone doesn't do that easily, it's a lot of work. I think a pen and paper would work. I just have to remember to bring one with.

 

[drixsa]

crackers-

you already got the hard part down.

if you just go up to them after a 5min convo and number close then you wasted your time and hers. You need to leave an impression on them. I am not sure what your "goal" is or what you are looking for but the quality girls aren't gonna meet up with you if you can't even remember who they are. (also another thing to keep in mind is that any decent girl will not hook up with some guy she just met)

Your idea about writing a something down about the girl you pick up is an amazing idea especially if you are picking up 5+ numbers every time you go out. Besides looks (which is important to take note of b/c that is how you will remember them most) you should write down what you talked about, what you laughed about etc, so that you can pick it up the next time you talk to her.

I think that right now your on a good level, possibly a bit ****y, which is fine but my guess is that you are comin off like a player that just wants to get laid when you call these girls up. NO GIRL wants to be treated as such. Though you may get 5 numbers a night they do not give out there number to 5 guys so try to be more genuine on the phone.

For me, when i had a MLTR goin, i always made sure that i never came off as a player maybe more of a dork just as long as the girl feels that you aren't just trying to fvck and run.

Next point, if you call them, always call with the intent to make plans. Since you just met them, i agree, it's good to spend some time chatting away but after a couple minutes or as soon as there is a low point in the conversation set up a date or get together.

NEVER EVER ask for the day of. I ask if they are free for lunch (I love lunch personally).The only exception to this rule is to invite them to a party and for that go ahead.

hope this was helpful...

 

[animal crackers]

It's strange I've asked girls to come to parties with me all last week, and none of them would come. I asked a couple to meet me 1 on 1 and they actually came. That seems opposite of what I would have thought.

I probably # close with girls after about 10-15 min of convo. Sometimes less...

I think that I really need to set up a "date" with them when I call. I don't do that. What I do is when there's really nothing going on that night, I call up my phonebook and try to find girls that want to chill.

I don't really think I come off as a player, although maybe I do because I'm just some random guy who # closed them after only knowing them a little bit.

This is my plan when I come home from vacation next week:


"Hey xxxxx whats up"
" Umm...I'm sorry I don't remember what you were like, but if I got your # you must have been pretty cool"
"Tell me about yourself...blah blah...."
"We should get together on x day at x time and hang out with each other. I do remember you know, and I want to see what your like."

 

[Stag]

I used to have a lot of flakes and here is how to resolved.
Basically you're doing 2 things wrong:
1. Not enough rapport with the chick.
2. You are waiting for permission from the chick.

Rapport - to have a girl think of you as more than some guy who approached her on the street, you have to get to know her. Do not run around like a chicken with no head getting numbers. Get 1 number a week, but make sure its good. Get to know the chick, talk bout yourself. U say u dont remember nothing about the chick = for chick this means there was no connection = no follow up, ur a nobody. Instead of getting nuber in 1 min., stay there until you know a lot about her and she knows a lot about you. Where did u grow up, childhood stories, your passions, where r u in life now, etc. Talk with passion.

Now number 2. You ask chicks what they are doing tonite. This is wrong. Neverwait for permission from chick. Even at the aproach. Dont wait for her to show u inerest before you proceed. Think what will happen if u needed to have surgery and your surgeon waited for permission on everything he did. You will be dead. DO not wauit or ask for permission. When you call, you say "Hi, chick, I want to take you out and have some good time. Meet me tmorrow nite....blah, blah, blah." If she is busy she will le t you know, but then you agree to another time. If she says shes free on another nite it is important not to play game of "oh, im busy on Friday ", when you now u'll plan to sit infrot of the computer watching porn and eating macdonalds. Even if you r busy with something not important, reschedule it. Sex now is more important to you.

Follow this guidelines and you will be on your way.
Good luck.

 

[HereToImprove]

Perhaps you are sarging too much. Maybe a lower volume, higher quality approach would serve you well. Keep 5-7 solid active numbers at once with better rapport and recall, and not 30 without any knowledge of who they are. I lose recall of my prospects once I get past the 5-7 actives level.

This may improve your "signal to noise" ratio.

 

[h2o]

Originally posted by Stag
Rapport - to have a girl think of you as more than some guy who approached her on the street, you have to get to know her. Do not run around like a chicken with no head getting numbers. Get 1 number a week, but make sure its good. Get to know the chick, talk bout yourself. U say u dont remember nothing about the chick = for chick this means there was no connection = no follow up, ur a nobody. Instead of getting nuber in 1 min., stay there until you know a lot about her and she knows a lot about you. Where did u grow up, childhood stories, your passions, where r u in life now, etc. Talk with passion.

hey ac,

your problem sounds like exactly the problem i used to be having a short while ago.

and stag posted some excellent advice, well said.

i'd also like to add, that i know some people say you should "always be closing" but that is not the case. really get to know her more, deeper rapport. and also, get as much kino going as possible. the biggest thing is to make her comfortable with you, and usually that can't happen in 3-4 minutes, unless she is single and desperate (which happens, but not often, and usually not very attractive quality girl anyway).

basically, treat the approach like a date in itself. get to know her that way.

that's kind of why i was skeptical of the number closing while in a car thing.

-gl

 

[nishbuk]

Originally posted by animal crackers
It's strange I've asked girls to come to parties with me all last week, and none of them would come. I asked a couple to meet me 1 on 1 and they actually came. That seems opposite of what I would have thought.

I probably # close with girls after about 10-15 min of convo. Sometimes less...

I think that I really need to set up a "date" with them when I call. I don't do that. What I do is when there's really nothing going on that night, I call up my phonebook and try to find girls that want to chill.

I don't really think I come off as a player, although maybe I do because I'm just some random guy who # closed them after only knowing them a little bit.

This is my plan when I come home from vacation next week:


"Hey xxxxx whats up"
" Umm...I'm sorry I don't remember what you were like, but if I got your # you must have been pretty cool"
"Tell me about yourself...blah blah...."
"We should get together on x day at x time and hang out with each other. I do remember you know, and I want to see what your like."

Why do you even care to give them that much info? You have their names in your phone, right?

Why not just: "Hi xxxxx, This is cracker. How you doing? Let's go out on fri and do xxxx. Well meet at 7pm. Okay. Great. bye."

See^^ That way you don't give away that you don't remember them, and you can just ask them all their info again on the date:

"What did you say you do again?"
"How old did you say you were?"

The added bonus here is that when you ask them a question for a second time, they may be a bit confused as to why you don't remember the answer cause they already told you. That means you've already challenged them with a very slight neg hit on the first date. It's two birds with one stone in my book.

Oh and you shouldn't feel obligated to call any number that you pick up. Pick up as many numbers as you can for practice, but remember that the reason you are getting numbers is so that you can THROW OUT the ones that you didn't like so much, and just stick with the good ones. I mean, who really goes out on 9 dates a week anyway.

 

[GodsGiftToFatBirds]

I can understand the problem you're having, I'm pretty much the same at the mo in that i have difficulty turning numbers into dates. Thing is, blokes generally don't have social conversations on the phone. Like if i phone one of my mates, it's solely for a purpose, to arrange summat, you know. And while the bible article (the one thats in the bootcamp) on phone convos reccommends just setting up the date on the phone, nothing more, i'm not convinced this is the best way unless you already know the girl well. I think you need to get some decent rapport for the girl to consider going on a date with you.

I will read the advice on this thread though, though i haven't got time at the mo cos i'm about to go to work. Though an idea I've had (though not tried yet) is to have a bit of a list drawn up of conversational topics / questions to ask if the convo is stalling a bit. Bit sad in a way but its better than awkward silences.

 

[Lost In Translation]

are you making sure these chicks have got YOUR number ?

you got theirs cool

but have they got yours ?



also what about doing something with them THAT NIGHT

strike while the iron is hot

i know you sarge like crazy but what about a PLAN to involve some chicks with HIGH INTEREST in doing something with you and your wingman THAT NIGHT ?

do you got a place to go back to ? a flat or house ? a spare bottle of unopened vodka ? you got pimpin rides ( cars ) to provide transport for the chicks back to your love palace ?


i am just about to go to sleep and my brain is shutting down so i am low on ideas but i will come back to this thread and brainstorm with you

p.s what ever happened to that chick with the hoop earrings in the photo sitting on your lap kissing you? she was hot !


Lost In Translation

**AUSTRALIAN STREET PIMP**

 

[animal crackers]

Thanks for the advice guys.

When I go out I feel like I do get decent rapport with many of the girls. I don't usually talk to them for a long time because there are limited "prime hours" for meeting girls. Also, when I first meet girls its hard to keep the conversation going without seeming tryhard.

I'm much better with conversation on day 2s.

I don't think attraction is a problem.
I think that It might be good to set up a date/ give a statement of intent when I meet these girls. That way they know what's up from the beginning.

I also like the idea of calling them up and saying "hey xxx. blah blah. Let's get together on thursday at 7 for xxx."

I've had a couple of flakes, but the problem really isn't flakes. It's really about my disorganization and lack of a plan.

The girls I have successfully hooked up with I had a mental plan in my mind of where I wanted to take our "relationship."

That doesn't work when I barely remember their names. ha

 

[everywomanshero]

Dates

If you were to search by my username you'd find I was getting numbers and few dates. Suddenly, I had an explosion of dates. Things, particularly with women, tend to come in bunches, always has for me. Part of it may just be the cycles of the moon for all anyone will ever know.

I think the obsession with keeping calls short is not very effective and unlikely to have been derived from empirical evidence.

I've had excellent results by wading through 2-3 really good, 30 minute calls. In some cases the girls actually asked me out! Of course, I did the asking 90% of the time.

Just my input, I'm no expert.

 

[score]

Do not underestimate the value of doing your homework and taking extensive notes on women you are working on. When I started to do this seriously my success exploded. I keep Excel spreadsheets of the girls I'm dating. I KID YOU NOT.

Perhaps the more important value of all this scut work is that you feel comfortable when you contact and interact with your date. Instead of racking your brains wondering what college she went to, major, parents name etc. etc. are. You will be confident and THAT is worth it, and all it takes is a few minutes of paperwork.