Sometime I ask myself if what Im doing its me or a programmed me

[Who Dares Win]

I often find myself questioning things, from society to myself and many times I wonder if what Im doing its really me or its me reacting to some sort of pressure especially with women.

My libido exist and its hard to deny it but its not such a powerful force which should have the strenght to push me to find myself in a hugh amount of unpleasable situations just to get girls nor to do things which I find frustrating and humiliating in many cases like approaching girls and wait for their hamster powered brain to give me a shot.

It seems to me that all this "chase girls no matter what" is much more cultural and pushed than innate, think of advertisment which use your natural impulse to convince you to get something which you dont need even under terrible conditions.

Sure sex is necessary to any healthy man as much as the desire for companionship and pleasure but it seems to me nowaday most of the push comes to the fact that we are brainwashed into thinking that we're not valuable or worth shi1t unless we manage to get and keep girls, its something that moves our inner fears of not being accepted or being a loser much more than a genuine desire.

How else do you explain live your personal life as the professional one of a used car seller which has to seek cold people and has to try himself to sell a product to win some bread.

Not sure if I made my point clear.

 

[Dedication]

Not sure if I get your point. Because the **** man, I don't understand this 'we' mentality. I really think that there should be a topic made about all these 'we' thinkers. I'm so impersonal and so subjectively caring about myself that I literally don't give a **** about the vast majority of my fellow men. It really appears to me that I'm one of the very few rocking this mentality.

I never question myself in comparison to anybody or anything else. I don't ask what an outside source expects from me. I only do it if there is a very specific meaning behind it and I'm extracting a lesson fromt he comparison.

When my goals are clearly defined (by me, of course) I always ask 'is this the most efficient way towards roaching my goal?' If it isn't, something has to change. Because this strongly corrolates to self-improvement I ****ing love it a great deal. I never ask myself what another person thinks of what I'm doing. My brain just doesn't do it, at all.

I honestly couldn't care about (most) other people that don't fit in with my plans. With this I mean that my brain doesn't make me care, my neighbour could die, my grandmother could die. I wouldn't give them a second thought unless I could extract a lesson out of the experience. Still, the lesson would be for me, my brain doesn't let me care about those people. But I can do it! I just have to put in an effort to feel sorry for them, I have to put in an effort to really place myself in her or his situation and then I'll start caring. But it doesn't happen automatically and it is never on my mind.

 

[Olivia]

This is absolutely true. No conditioning whatsoever. In fact, society conditions to have a soul mate, a love of the life, someone you can live happily ever after with.. But after entering game.. after you enter here, you will notice how people give value to sex very much.. I was really amazed at first. Now try to remember, before you entered game, I don´t think it bothered you that much that you didn´t have sex tons of times. You were feeling good, no guilty whatsoever if you did not have a lot of sex. But after entering game.. and forums.. especially where sex is the goal, you will simply be lost. You will slowly start to have the same mind as them. Sex is simply sex. It does not affect your life anyway. The mans body is wired so that it has to ***. Otherwise there would be no evolution, no increasing the specific. Now if you don't ***, you will have wet dreams. The unconscious will take you. You will *** unconsciously. And you are a conscious being! Animals are not, so make sure that you don't lose your consciousness! otherwise.. you might turn into animal.

So because of the conditioning of the pua industry, game industry and forums like these, you start to think that it is a must to have much sex in orfer to have great, successfull life. No, I say to you, that is absolutely bull****. Now what are people in the east doing? They have almost dropped sex completely. And still the whole east goes on living.. They don't complain about failures. In fact, they feel very deep contenment. They are not like the west, chasing after big dreams. You will see in the east, they enjoy life very nanturally, for them, a good job, a beautiful family is enough, and they have succeeded. They have a very much love. Have you ever fallen in love? It is the most beautiful feeling. Now I think they do not teach it here.. in the west. In the west, you will only see those stupid pua and game industries.. forums.. that teaches only how to fvck. It is very superficial. Sex only is very superficial, it is only a good release. You can do it on your own - without much suffering, much complex things!

Untill you are in deep love, sex is very much meaningless. A burden to be released, simple as that. Now if you are in deep love, you will enjoy every act you do while making love. While touching the face of the beloved woman, you feel deep love, deep joy arising. And while kissing, you kiss with so much love that it becomes much more beautiful than just a normal, blatant sex. Then making love will become a sacred experience, a scared art. Have you observed back into the history? In history, they did not just have sex ONS, in some house and then leave. Back in the days, they made love and sex a sacred thing. They put candles, they made love in a open island, they made love in a beautiful house, a big house, with the best fragments, with the most beautiful flowers. If you ever have that kind of sacred love making, you will never ask for something stupid, superficial, blatant fvck anymore.

A beautiful, innocence man and they turn into complete jerks, asswholes. Now there are many guys out there, no, there is no need to go that far; even here in this forum, there are many guys who hate woman more than anything. Complete jerks, idiots as I would say. Have you ever felt the deep love you receive from some of your uncles? How did that make you feel. Now in the west.. I don't think it is very usual, but in some family, they are very close. Not like in the east where every family is close, loving, in deep love with each and everyone. But maybe in a bunch, a few familys in the west, where the family is close.. The love from the uncle for the kid is really beautiful, same goes with the aunt. And then there are uncles and aunts that are very nasty, jerks, complete idiots. Who would you want to be? Who would you rather be... Many guys who go into game, they feel a deep ego filling-need that if they dont have much sex they are not succesfull, so they will be very tense and angry if they do not get sex, they will feel deep frustation. Because they never had much sex.. never went out with many girls.. so in the forum they start to think that this is how life should be, "I have wasted my whole life doing something nonsense, while I should have been a man and some stupid blatant fvcks." So the new guys will feel very deep need to fullfill their past mistakes. There was never any mistake. But the game forum makes them feel like they did a deep mistake their whole life. So they try very hard to refix that mistake in their life. And naturally they start to blame woman.."Why has those women never make me realise that I was suck a pvssy. At least they could have come up to me and tell me that I am not getting any woman, I am a pvssy!" So many beautiful innocence man are being turned into complete jerks that hate woman in the game and pua industries.

I think the goal of this forum is to mix a little bit of those two. 50% nice, and 50% jerk equals to what they call an DJ. I am not sure. But at least, make sure that you will have the sacred experience where you can be totally, 100 percent in love with the woman. And you will never ask for any blatant, bull****, ego filling ordinary sex anymore.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Not sure if I get your point. Because the **** man, I don't understand this 'we' mentality. I really think that there should be a topic made about all these 'we' thinkers. I'm so impersonal and so subjectively caring about myself that I literally don't give a **** about the vast majority of my fellow men. It really appears to me that I'm one of the very few rocking this mentality.

I never question myself in comparison to anybody or anything else. I don't ask what an outside source expects from me. I only do it if there is a very specific meaning behind it and I'm extracting a lesson fromt he comparison.

When my goals are clearly defined (by me, of course) I always ask 'is this the most efficient way towards roaching my goal?' If it isn't, something has to change. Because this strongly corrolates to self-improvement I ****ing love it a great deal. I never ask myself what another person thinks of what I'm doing. My brain just doesn't do it, at all.

I honestly couldn't care about (most) other people that don't fit in with my plans. With this I mean that my brain doesn't make me care, my neighbour could die, my grandmother could die. I wouldn't give them a second thought unless I could extract a lesson out of the experience. Still, the lesson would be for me, my brain doesn't let me care about those people. But I can do it! I just have to put in an effort to feel sorry for them, I have to put in an effort to really place myself in her or his situation and then I'll start caring. But it doesn't happen automatically and it is never on my mind.

Yeah I see what you mean but what if those goals you talk about are not exacly your natural goals but are goals which have been suggested to you from media,advertisment and mainstream culture?

You dont care when people tell you to listen to rap but are you sure it doesnt affect you when you see someone not doing something and being isolated because of it?

This is absolutely true. No conditioning whatsoever. In fact, society conditions to have a soul mate, a love of the life, someone you can live happily ever after with.. But after entering game.. after you enter here, you will notice how people give value to sex very much.. I was really amazed at first. Now try to remember, before you entered game, I don´t think it bothered you that much that you didn´t have sex tons of times. You were feeling good, no guilty whatsoever if you did not have a lot of sex. But after entering game.. and forums.. especially where sex is the goal, you will simply be lost. You will slowly start to have the same mind as them. Sex is simply sex. It does not affect your life anyway. The mans body is wired so that it has to ***. Otherwise there would be no evolution, no increasing the specific. Now if you don't ***, you will have wet dreams. The unconscious will take you. You will *** unconsciously. And you are a conscious being! Animals are not, so make sure that you don't lose your consciousness! otherwise.. you might turn into animal.

So because of the conditioning of the pua industry, game industry and forums like these, you start to think that it is a must to have much sex in orfer to have great, successfull life. No, I say to you, that is absolutely bull****. Now what are people in the east doing? They have almost dropped sex completely. And still the whole east goes on living.. They don't complain about failures. In fact, they feel very deep contenment. They are not like the west, chasing after big dreams. You will see in the east, they enjoy life very nanturally, for them, a good job, a beautiful family is enough, and they have succeeded. They have a very much love. Have you ever fallen in love? It is the most beautiful feeling. Now I think they do not teach it here.. in the west. In the west, you will only see those stupid pua and game industries.. forums.. that teaches only how to fvck. It is very superficial. Sex only is very superficial, it is only a good release. You can do it on your own - without much suffering, much complex things!

Untill you are in deep love, sex is very much meaningless. A burden to be released, simple as that. Now if you are in deep love, you will enjoy every act you do while making love. While touching the face of the beloved woman, you feel deep love, deep joy arising. And while kissing, you kiss with so much love that it becomes much more beautiful than just a normal, blatant sex. Then making love will become a sacred experience, a scared art. Have you observed back into the history? In history, they did not just have sex ONS, in some house and then leave. Back in the days, they made love and sex a sacred thing. They put candles, they made love in a open island, they made love in a beautiful house, a big house, with the best fragments, with the most beautiful flowers. If you ever have that kind of sacred love making, you will never ask for something stupid, superficial, blatant fvck anymore.

A beautiful, innocence man and they turn into complete jerks, asswholes. Now there are many guys out there, no, there is no need to go that far; even here in this forum, there are many guys who hate woman more than anything. Complete jerks, idiots as I would say. Have you ever felt the deep love you receive from some of your uncles? How did that make you feel. Now in the west.. I don't think it is very usual, but in some family, they are very close. Not like in the east where every family is close, loving, in deep love with each and everyone. But maybe in a bunch, a few familys in the west, where the family is close.. The love from the uncle for the kid is really beautiful, same goes with the aunt. And then there are uncles and aunts that are very nasty, jerks, complete idiots. Who would you want to be? Who would you rather be... Many guys who go into game, they feel a deep ego filling-need that if they dont have much sex they are not succesfull, so they will be very tense and angry if they do not get sex, they will feel deep frustation. Because they never had much sex.. never went out with many girls.. so in the forum they start to think that this is how life should be, "I have wasted my whole life doing something nonsense, while I should have been a man and some stupid blatant fvcks." So the new guys will feel very deep need to fullfill their past mistakes. There was never any mistake. But the game forum makes them feel like they did a deep mistake their whole life. So they try very hard to refix that mistake in their life. And naturally they start to blame woman.."Why has those women never make me realise that I was suck a pvssy. At least they could have come up to me and tell me that I am not getting any woman, I am a pvssy!" So many beautiful innocence man are being turned into complete jerks that hate woman in the game and pua industries.

I think the goal of this forum is to mix a little bit of those two. 50% nice, and 50% jerk equals to what they call an DJ. I am not sure. But at least, make sure that you will have the sacred experience where you can be totally, 100 percent in love with the woman. And you will never ask for any blatant, bull****, ego filling ordinary sex anymore.

I wasnt referring the "game forums", game forums are a tool and a market created from a necessity, they are the mean not the goal.

What I was reffering to was something like you walk around you say hello to a guy friend of yours and some girl say "why do you speak to him, never seen him with a girl, he is so weird".

 

[Olivia]

I wasnt referring the "game forums", game forums are a tool and a market created from a necessity, they are the mean not the goal.

What I was reffering to was something like you walk around you say hello to a guy friend of yours and some girl say "why do you speak to him, never seen him with a girl, he is so weird".

I was simply saying what I felt like saying. I think it was because of the very fact that sex is the center of every gamer, that made me say something about it.. because i am very much against blatant sexs.

"What I was reffering to was something like you walk around you say hello to a guy friend of yours and some girl say "why do you speak to him, never seen him with a girl, he is so weird""

Yes. because woman has also been conditioned to view men as high value who have many woman. I think they call it the perceived value. So, if the guy does not have any woman, she starts to question her values.. is this guy gay, or are you gay? Gay being friend with gay makes sense. And why do you have those guys who does not have chick? You do not have many chicks either do you? If you have many, you should introduce some to him!", unconscious

I don't find any reason for being weird, if you have not seen him with any girl. If this girl thinks like this, she has some deep problems. If she does not like you talking to him, you should simply tell her he is a friend and you like him as a friend.. or do you?

 

[Skyline]

My libido exist and its hard to deny it but its not such a powerful force which should have the strenght to push me to find myself in a hugh amount of unpleasable situations just to get girls nor to do things which I find frustrating and humiliating in many cases like approaching girls and wait for their hamster powered brain to give me a shot.

It seems to me that all this "chase girls no matter what" is much more cultural and pushed than innate, think of advertisment which use your natural impulse to convince you to get something which you dont need even under terrible conditions.

I get what you're saying. Here's my two cents. Society and social media websites(which is getting ever so popular) such as Tumblr and Facebook, they allow the "Emotionally Unstable" people to speak out their opinions(Something they wouldn't do in person) and it not only attracts the White Knights, it is also one of the birthplaces of them. Let's not forget about Feminism as well. I see meme's everyday of them saying something along the lines of : "If she's clingy she loves you" or "A real man gives his women everything" etc.

This is teaching bad behavior, every time i see a picture on my news feed, it's about some depressing sh*t about a girl and it just rewards the bad behavior in my opinion.

It tells us to do things that aren't normally "normal" by nature especially since it's coming from an unreliable(unstable and generally its a girl) source. The emotional unstable girls are no way cable of going out and approaching or reacting to approaches, or even being in a relationship in the first place. The emotional unstable person doesn't feel wanted in the first place, so they "preach" their "ideals" to others in order to give themselves the sense of validation.
This "Forced Empathy" makes guys feel bad for them and he will end up approaching BUT acting like a complete AFC and chase her through the whole universe only to have his little knight's heart completely crushed. It's a big ego thing in my opinion.

Lately, these cases have been becoming more apparent as now the Guys are now becoming the needy/unstable type from which it grew from. The "Scene Kid" generation is, i think, the result of this.

Sure sex is necessary to any healthy man as much as the desire for companionship and pleasure but it seems to me nowaday most of the push comes to the fact that we are brainwashed into thinking that we're not valuable or worth shi1t unless we manage to get and keep girls, its something that moves our inner fears of not being accepted or being a loser much more than a genuine desire.

I've seen this a lot with my friends and the people around me too, whenever we or they argue(playful or not) they will usually bring up the "At least i have a girlfriend/can get girls" move and I just wonder whats going on because that doesn't mean sh*t. You can still get girls and be a complete loser, even AFC's get girls.

I think it's a combination of nature and society's influence over us. Nature tell us to be dominant and raise a family like the traditional man while society tells us to be more like a women basically. These two forces grinding it out obviously create a question of justification toward everything you do, not only involving women.

The Don Juan's ideals are a lot similar to the traditional man, do what you want.

-Side note:
Olivia your posts are interesting but i often find them to come off as rambling as they are hard to read and disorganized(I generally read only 1-2 sentence per your little paragraphs), like the length of the posts, for example, is just ridiculous.

 

[Dedication]

EDIT: I'm stopping myself from participating, I don't think I'm getting/going to get anything out of this thread.

 

[Deep Dish]

Who Dares Win:
It seems to me that all this "chase girls no matter what" is much more cultural and pushed than innate, think of advertisment which use your natural impulse to convince you to get something which you dont need even under terrible conditions.

Sure sex is necessary to any healthy man as much as the desire for companionship and pleasure but it seems to me nowaday most of the push comes to the fact that we are brainwashed into thinking that we're not valuable or worth shi1t unless we manage to get and keep girls, its something that moves our inner fears of not being accepted or being a loser much more than a genuine desire.

How else do you explain live your personal life as the professional one of a used car seller which has to seek cold people and has to try himself to sell a product to win some bread.

In answer to the last paragraph, everyone is a player, by virtue of the laws of power, so there’s always the element of being an used car salesman. While the media and the Feminine Imperative are loud voices of social engineering, I’m inclined to think innate biology has the upper edge of gravitational forces, in the beginning of our lives. While we have reached enlightenment of the charade, it’s a stage in the progressive development of our lives. Like how STR8UP likes to tell me, “That’s the 30’s.”

 

[ebracer05]

There is definitely an element of our social programming that plays a part in what you're talking about and it's not always easy to see. There are a lot of advertisements we're exposed to every day... television shows are advertisements for the friends we should want or the life we should want... songs are an advertisements for the responses we should have, life we should want, or the way we should feel... and let's not forget regular ads. When we hang out with our friends or anyone else, they exert an influence on us.

1000s of years ago, how much different would things have been? I think the drive to find women to have sex with would be all the more strong because it was evolutionarily necessary. The more primitive our society, the more necessary it was for a person to define themselves through their mating success.

The reason this outlook has changed for a lot of people nowadays is because our ancestors did not have World of Warcraft, television, and other distractions. They did not have the luxury of spending all day playing a video game, writing music, or indulging some other entertainment or personal drive.

By and large, the impulses we get from our environment I think are the forces that make it harder for us to do what should be most natural for us - to find women and be successful with them. The social programming we receive is most of the reason why it's necessary for so many guys to "unplug".

Maybe what you're really getting at is the capacity humans have regarding free will. Are we a bunch of marbles moving around a surface where each of our decisions is represented in a collision? Do we have the ability to influence these collisions in any capacity, or have our minds just evolved in such a way as to give us the illusion that we influence them?

 

[Jitterbug]

You built up habits to chase pvssy, and when you're tired and drunk, in the middle of the environment that encourages so, you just go by auto-pilot. It takes experience and practice to be able to stop and regain control of yourself in those situations.

About 2 years ago when I was your age now, I had two experiences similar to your slice of ham girl in a row. In the first one, I stuck out to the end of the night (4ish am) just to get laid, because that chick was hot. That I did get, but it was pretty terrible sex, and half of the following week sucked as the resulting tiredness and lack of sleep kept cascading one day to the next. My training went to sh1t and my work productivity went down the same toilet.

In the second one which occurred about a month later, it's a different girl who's even slightly more attractive, but she needed to get high then absolutely sh1t-faced before she could get in her slvt-zone. We were out in a big group of people, it was down to me and another guy, with her and a couple of her girl friends. I could see that I had the better chance, but those girls wanted to see us compete for their attention for more hours. Suddenly the whole sticking it out late night just to get mediocre sex lost its entire appeal to me. I stood up, said I had something the next morning, and left the party. Pretty sure the other fella got lucky too.

That was the last time I would stick out at a place I don't want to be at, do things I don't enjoy, talk to people I can barely tolerate, ruin my health and fitness for the week, just for the promise of pvssy. For the first time, I felt a sense of relief that finally, I know exactly what I want and am absolutely certain about it.

I'm not gonna tell you this newfound personal power and self control has magically brought me more and hotter pvssies than I can handle, because that's simply not true. Going out hunting more often will net you more preys, although often at the expenses of other things if you're not wired for that kind of activities. I get laid less, but now it's all on my terms, from my genuine desires, in balance and harmony with everything else in life I value, and I enjoy life a lot more.

 

[mr. kennedy]

That I did get, but it was pretty terrible sex, .

In what sense. She just laid there like a dead body?

 

[Justin Time]

Your existence is dependent on your libido. It's essentially the sole reason for existence. You exist to maintain your existence. In the sense that matter is matter because it's not anti-matter. There might be more to it, but nothing we can ever hope to understand. Thought scientifically this is shunned upon, and I generally take a very scientific approach, there's a limit to our understanding, therefore we live in perpetual questioning. As far as we can understand, however, it's there because it can't NOT be there.

Just go with it. You don't have a choice.

 

[Jitterbug]

In what sense. She just laid there like a dead body?

Two relative strangers being very drunk and tired - both physically and mentally - at 4ish am. Not exactly ideal condition for hot monkey sex.