Some things that I have learned...

DJ Rook

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Okay this site is great for helping out people, however there is a lot of information overload on the site. That's bad. One piece of advice may contradict another. So how do you know what is useful, and what is not? Well I'll break a few things down for you, about how I changed. And change is important. But only if it leads to progress.

I used to be awkward with chicks. I just didn't have any game whatsoever. I didn't know how to talk to them. I didn't do very well. Today I do very well with the ladies. In fact I put forth zero effort, and score all the time. Friends ask me all the time how I do it, and basically I tell them "I don't know I'm just me". But here I will tell you how I do it, and it is so easy anyone can.

When I started trying to "be a DJ" I decided to overcome my fear of girls by being friends with as many as I can. I thought that if I surrounded myself with enough women. I would be more successful with them. I would understand what they wanted. I would understand how they thought etc. Well I learned all of that, but they never helped me get laid. In fact my friend base became 90% women. That was stupid. You don't want girls that are friends. The only thing that I gained out of that period was conquering my fear of women. So if you have that fear. Do this but understand that the friends you have gained are going to be cut out of your life at some point if you want to ever get any action. Being friends with women will ultimately only hurt your game. My mannerisms became feminine (slightly) I adopted words like "cute" etc. Human social development/interaction is highly attributed to your surroundings. If you surround yourself with chicks you will start to interact like a chick. You may not see it, but it's there. So the advice of "become friends with women" is stupid. Like I said earlier if you have problems talking to women, and are scared of them then by all means get some friends that are girls and conquer that ****, but it is only a reconissance (sp?) mission. You get it...learn what you need to, and get the hell out.

Get a life. Seriously. Throw yourself into work or a hobby, or a sport, or something. Seriously.. that advice is on here, and it is good stuff. If you hate your job start looking for another. If you don't have a hobby find something that really interests YOU. Photography, Painting, Carpentry, Sculpture, Vintage Posters, Travel, Volunteer, Cooking.....Get something. If "nothing" interests you need a shrink. Play sports, or chess, or poker or something. Just fill your life up. WITHOUT GIRLS. You'll find that if you can't be happy without girls you'll never be happy with girls. So be happy do stuff that you love. Take informal classes. Expand your mind/body/wealth. Girls generally will detract from those things which brings me to my next point.

Girls are BELOW you (no joke intended). You are a male. The whole "Equal Rights" "Woman's Suffrage" stuff has seriously hurt men's ability to percieve their position in this world. No no I am not saying women shouldn't have the right to vote, or make equal pay etc., or for you to be a misogynist, but your perception of women as equals needs to change. Women do not belong on pedestools. Not one. They have no say in decisions... they can add there thoughts, but only if they choose too, and you have the ultimate call. The woman's roll in this world can be anything, but durring social interaction OUTSIDE of the workplace they are below you, and you must always keep that at heart, and ingrained it into your head.

I never approach women. NEVER. I can, but I don't. I put myself in social situations where women are going to be. Parties are a big thing. Bars clubs etc, are okay. Going out to dinner works. Whatever you choose just go to social situations. Girls will appear at random. Some are single, some are taken. The ones that are single will let you know that they are single. But here is the most important piece of advice. You are not trying to win over chicks...no...you are going to be winning over the guys. I know that sounds stupid/weird, but it is the truth.

Male status/dominace is a giant factor in determining which guys get the girl and which ones don't. Now there are different ways to achieve a high level. Brute Force (Big muscles, kicking people's ass or the ability to kick people's ass) Money (nice house, nice car, nice job) or respect (this is the one that will win over all the rest). You must be a leader or totally garner the respect of every male in every social situation. You can do this a number of ways. Being funny/entertaining, making decisions on what the group does (and having them be well recieved/successful), being a source of advice/guidance for other individuals. Start being more assertive and garner more respect from males. Don't be a sheep that just tags along. Be proactive in the decisions the group makes. If you don't like the vibe or situation, start making the preparations to lead the group somewhere else. Once this mindset starts becomming part of your personna people's view of you will change, you will garner more respect, and respect is everything.

Okay now you have the respect of your fellow men, you don't pay attention to women...how they hell do you get some action?

Women will pursue you. Right off the bat. They automatically percieve who has respect. Who is the leader. Who has the social dominance. When you don't pay them any attention they will have to seek out your approval. It is what gives them the feeling of acceptance.

Here is an example that happend friday (I am writting this sunday morning)
I went to dinner with a friend at hooters. He wanted to go there. I was cool with it (meaning if I didn't want to eat there I would have said "No let's go somewhere else" I am no sheep) so we went. We of course had some super busty blonde. When she comes to the table, my friend immediately starts trying to charm her. I don't even look at her I am looking at the menu because that is why I am there. To eat, not to make some bs chitchat with some waitress chick. She asks for our drinks. I look at the beer menu. look straight at her --the very first time-- right into her eyes (looking into peoples eyes is important. ANYTIME I am talking to ANYONE I look at there eyes it signifies the "I am going to **** you or kill you" subliminal message ) Her eyes automatically widened (just a little..you will start to notice this a little when you start doing this with women) Told her what I wanted, and then looked back at the menu.

She walks off. She comes back the exact same scenario as before happens when she takes our order. My friend flirts. I am all business. We hang out she comes by like a waitress should, does her job, and engages with some more chitchat with my friend. Then she asks about me right infront of me. "Does he ever talk?" He says "That's just how he is (I don't know if he was trying to barb me or just stating the facts either doesn't bother me... you'll see my reaction) I looked right into her eyes again..."That's just how I am". She drops the bill I pay with my card my friend gives me cash (I don't have time for playing the "who got what?" game just give me money for what you got, and I'll take care of the rest. If you haven't given me enough I'll let you know) I leave her 20% I always do no matter if its a dude or a busty blonde (I used to work in the service industry. its my standard unless the service was stupid then they get less and I don't care who they were) On the way out she says "Bye guys thank you"... I don't even acknowledge her

Now that is how I interact with people all the time. Espicieally women. They are nothing special. Even if they have a nice rack.

Now here is the killer...the next night saturday. I am at a party. I'm talking with some guys about the upcomming NFL draft, shop, etc. when I get a tug on my sleeve. I automatically turn my head in the direction knowing full well its a chick. No guy tugs on another guys shirt. My expression turns serious and I look right into the eyes of guess who...but the busty blonde from last night.

"HEY! I waited on you yesterday." I give a typical "yeah" she says something like "I can see your more talkative tonight". "yeah well I'm in the middle of talking with the boys I'll talk to you in a minute" again looking into her eyes She smiles says okay, and I turn back to my conversation like nothing happend. The guys immediately ask who the hell that was and I just say "some waitress" and continue with the previous topic.

Later I am fixing myself a drink and tug tug guess who again. I turn and say "it's you again" She seems a little unnerved by this, but introduces herself and we chat for a little bit. Long story short I slept with her that night. She gave me her number, but I haven't called yet I got other **** to do.. She asked for mine, and I was hesitant in giving it to her, but whatever she's hot if we get it on again that's fine she was hot and decent in the sack.

She told me that night "I have never met a guy like you...you're differnt. I knew I had to have you"

And here is why she got that message:

The whole point of me writing this long thing is just to shed some light on how social interaction really works, and what YOUR role as the man SHOULD BE. If you don't take advantage of this that's fine, but don't come on here crying about how/why things aren't working.

In short

Girls are girls...nothing special. If they dominate any part of your life you need to change that ASAP. They are below you and will get in the way of your life, but its your decision to let that happen. not theirs.

Get a life - Life should=happiness. You and you only have absolute control over this. If you don't like where you are now. Make the steps to change.

Be a leader/respected individual among your fellow men - no chick wants grunt..they want the general...

Hope this helps.
 

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Although I agree wholeheartedly with you, guys (like myself) can't fully comprehend what you are saying yet. What i mean by that is this: i think all of us aspiring DJs subconsciously know that girls are not the answer. Having said that we also know that since we havent gotten much from women, before we start not giving a **** about them, we need to **** a couple of them. It's almost like its not possible to not care about them untill you start being successful. So while I agree that girls are nothing special, its almost as if you can't not look at them in a different way until you've had success with them. Catch my drift?
 

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I understand what you are saying but...

Okay man...here is the problem.

You are putting too much stock in them...you are waiting for the act of landing X number of girls to percieve yourself as successful.

The act of getting girls does not qualify YOU. What qualifies YOU is your social status among males. The girls are a result of that qualification.

Let me see if I can fit this into a very simple analogy we will use the NFL draft.

You are a college player -

The draft is your social status among other college players (males)

Hard work, achievments, and dedication (your respect level) determine your draft position (social status)

The giant contract you land after being selected by a team are the chicks

Will a giant contract be given to a college player who is not high on the draft board?

No

Your focus is on the money. Not the game at hand. Focus on the game (social status), and the money (chicks) will follow.

Hope that clears things up.
 

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DJ Rook,

I agree with most of what you're saying, but I don't fully buy into being totally aloof or indifferent to attract women. In the example you gave above (with the Hooter's waitress) it worked in your favor because you just happened to see her again by coincidence alone. If you never would had seen her again, even if she was interested, that would have been the end of it. You see, I'm by nature normally aloof and "act" indifferent. My "game" has evolved like that, out of being naturally shy and quiet in my younger years. So I learned to attract, and not to pursue. The problem with this in my experience and for a lot of other guys, is that the highly attractive women generally don't ever pursue or initiate unless one's very good looking. Now the girls who do pursue, typically have to, because they're chubby or unattractive. I've known many highly attractive girls who show a plethora of interest signals towards me, but under no circumstances do they ever initate a date, or make they're interest known straight out verbally. They simply won't do it. Why? Because they don't have to. So I'm afraid the budding DJ's on here might be unintentionally misled by your post. Now, I know what you're saying, when there's a hot Hooter's girl, or barmaid, etc., there's always thousands of dufus afc's hitting on them non-stop with overt flirting. By acting indifferent to them, you immediately set yourself apart from the rest of the clingy afc's. But here's the problem, I've been trying to solve for quite some time. Where does one draw the thin-red line between acting overly interested, and showing no interest? Is there anyway to ask a girl out without immediately showing high interest, and giving her all the power, and laying your cards down on the table, like a chump? Anyone have a workable method for this?
 

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You wait for noone if you want something get it.

Jack Bauer said:
I've known many highly attractive girls who show a plethora of interest signals towards me, but under no circumstances do they ever initate a date, or make they're interest known straight out verbally. They simply won't do it. Why? Because they don't have to.
And you don't either. so there is a standoff....hmm

First off YOU WAIT FOR NOONE....... Understand that first

If you are interested in the girl, and you want to know more about her take control. That's what an assertive male does. "Hey ______ let's go to lunch tomorrow. 1:00 _____ restaurant"

That's it. Nothing special. If they say no, that's fine. Don't try changing the offer. You extended an offer. If she declines that's her thing. If she says she is busy that's fine people are busy, but don't go moving your schedule around for her. If she's interested she'll take you up, or offer an alternative, but make sure it suits you. When I make ANY offer to a girl they KNOW that this is a limited time offer. They should know that you are busy. They should know that you have a life, and that this is their window into your world. If they pass it up they will NEVER get another chance.

If she stands you up so what? you are out to lunch. You were going to do that anyway. There is no loss whatsoever to you. Your schedule is uninterupted.


There you just showed interest in allowing them to spend time in YOUR busy schedule without asking them "do you want to ________" I don't care what they want. You shouldn't care what they want.

Here is a business analogy

You are the employer she is the potential canidate. You are offering them an interview. NOT A FULL-TIME POSITION. If they are serious about trying to get the position they will accept the interview. If not they won't, and you don't have to worry about wasting your time interviewing someone who doesn't want to be there in the first place.
 

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A little more about how things work for me

Thinking about this a little more I just realized that I personally have never offered a lunch date to anyone, but that was just an example of how I would handle the situation.

I have put myself in a poistion where a girl will generally pick up I am the kind of guy that they will have to work for. So they now always initiate because aggressive girls get me. passive girls don't. And I have been in settings where a girl at a party has seen another girl put herself in the position to get with me, and then at a later time has "mimiced" the girl that got me as well.

I created the rules. They have to follow them. Or they don't get me. It's that simple. I don't have time to see if a girl is interested or all that crap. I don't need kino or special tips or tricks.

They pursue me because in successfully getting with me they are qualifying themselves as someone who can get someone who has high social status. Thus they have a high social status.

Just because she is hot doesn't mean I am going to go out with her. She's gotta do something and make an effort...because I am not doing a damn thing. and could care less if I get her or not.
 

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wow this is inspirational man. you just made me take another big ass step in the right direction
 

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Not everyone can be the general. Not everyone is good-looking and intelligent enough to make this work for them. Actually hardly people are.

I'd say this is pretty much how my game works, and it works out ok. Girls usually show me plenty of interest before I make my move.

But I'm only around 5'5 and 120 pounds at the age of 20, so this sorta tactic is never gonna work perfect for me.
 
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