Some reasons why Men should NOT ask....

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Point taken--So if you truly DID want a relationship with a women, you wouldn't ever try and initiate simply so you can hold onto your image of being independant and strong? If we stay men and strong at our heart (Not being weak/needy/clingy/oneitis) then you need not do anything of the sort! You can be open about WHAT YOU REALLY WANT! Isn't that crazy? I mean, if you want to impose more strategy to your image, go ahead, but if you are a strong man in general, you don't have to EVER hold things back because you think she will see you as weak (this is all assuming she KNOWS that you are very strong already, you CANT be some huge AFC)!

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The idea is that we are assumng you are doing all he right things.

Doing What you want, and getting your needs met, and hers as well.

You simply stay Present wth her, stay emotionally with her. She will FEEL it.
And she will feel that you're not going anywhere. If this IS truly what YOU want as well.
But because of WHO you are, and the impeccability of your actions and decisions, she knows that you CAN walk away.
She knows that taking you for granted and not appreciating you is simply not the paradigm.

We dont do this out of insecurity or trying to hide.Or trying to protect our 'image',
If youre really in command of yourself and have true character, internal strength and resources, believe me, she has already tested you out, and made her decsions about you.
This is what we woudl like to see demonstrated.

This is not an Ego protection or Ego validation move fro Men. Not at all.

The idea is to avoid the miscommunications and misinterpretatins and just truly make the effort to connect deeply FOR REAL.
Do you see?

Women want Men to make a commitment,and provide for her and they put all these parameters and criteria that YOU have to prove YOUR worth to her and and all these criteria you must fit...

Women routinely do this to Men.

this is one way that Men can do this stay in control (not controlling or domineering) and masculine, yet still get what they need...a good ,solid, LTR with a woman who has made up her mind about you.
And she gets a man who is in control of himself and his resources. So she wins a good Man who knows how to handle her.


Men dont usually Qualify women. EVER.


Women know this.
And believe it or not, they do not like it one bit.
For every man they see not Qualify a woman, they lose more and more faith and trust in men.



Women actually dont respect men who dont qualify the women they want.

If there is ANYTHING to take away from this general guidline, becasue it is not a concrete rule, is this.....

........act in a manner, congruently with your True Self that COMMANDS RESPECT.

The highest compliment a woman can do is deeply and truly Respect her man.

Because with that........she will give you the World. Everything else will fall into place.
Assuming there is strong attraction of course...

Because when she deeply Respects her man, she can feel FREE to TRUST him...





Bad things happen to guys who let women set the Frame for them.

When you let a woman set the Frame of the relationshp on top of your head, you have just allowed her to KILL ATTRACTION and strong, primal sexual chemistry between you two..

So learn to stand up for your self, act with self respect and integrity. And let a woman decide for herself.

Dont go begging her to give you a chance...

Give her the opportunity to Prove something to herself, and to YOU and believe it or not...let HER Empower herself to stand up for what SHE wants. Whether it is a relationship with you, or NOT.



This is one way that a takes into account your masculinity and power, and your heart and peace of mind.







We do this for HER to SHOW us that she is for REAL. And that she REALLY DOES want the guy, not some temporary ego validation or BF 'placeholder'.
 

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so what if a guy met a "high class " lady?
would he wait for her to ask for a relationship?
 

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That is a personal decision, Pen.
I hope no one takes this as a Universal LAW that cannot be broken

See the thing that I dont want to see is a guy trying to desperately hang on and try to cling to this woman.

If shes not making a move to be the guy's Woman, then I believe something isnt ready for an LTR.

I think If a man can come off and Present his stance of "I want an exclusive LTR with you" and she is understadning of him at his depest emotional level, that is, she is in resonance with him and they are at very close emotional levels of growth...then yeah...he can state his feeling.

"Look, I like being with you.I really enjoy your company.It doesnt matter what we do or where we are...I truly enjoy being with you....and no one else right now."

You know, that's not so bad.

But you better make sure you have been the "man" the entire time. And not be seen as seeking approval.

See, even the highest class and quality , most compassionate woman IS STILL A WOMAN
She will still respond at a deep primal level in the same manner as most women will

and that means that a woman reacts sexually to a man who is not seeking her approval or permission, or acceptance. in other words she is not attracted to a submissive man


That's why she cannot be attracted sexually to : "Please, choose me!!"


Thats what Im trying to get across.

A Man will not get what he NEEDS by asking her, if he doesnt KNOW in his heart that SHE places HIM ABOVE ALL other men.




And this is whyasking for exclusivity can be very challenging to pull off if you are not sure how you are coming across to this woman


Men dont always want to hide their feelings of attraction and more importantly and Dangerously, INTEREST, many men only seem to lose ego and confidence, but far more women see falling in love and being sexual, intimate and vulnerable as something very sacred and they feel they have more to lose than men.

So sometimes some women DO hide their felings, and usually take the road of "Lets see how this goes."

Whereas Men are more often like "WOW! I just met my Wife! This is awesome!"
While the woman is staring at him like he's some kind of nut!



And I think for a Man, whom she may love, if he acts beneath her, seeking approval and acceptance, will still kill attraction even in HER.
She is still a woman.

It is deeply rooted. She wont want to REACT 'logically' in that aspect in man/woman sexual relationship.



But to ask?
"will you be my GF?"

"You wanna go steady?"


"Please be mine?"

A woman will still see the subcommunication. You cant hide it in this context.



He has to have been congruent and stick to his values and beleifs the ENTIRE time they are together, no exceptions.

He cannot all of a sudden "turn wussy" and let the "inner wuss" come out.



See, Penny, it appears that some things dont really work out in the REAL world the best way when we approach something kind of primal like this with pure mathetmatical like Logic


I am trying to see if a Man can really BE with a woman on a deep , intimate , passionate and PRIMAL level.
Where they BOTH "KNOW".

At the end of the day it just may be important to understand and recognize that it IS a BIG DEAL for a MAN, with a huge sex drive, and many options to actually ACCEPT being 'tied down' to one woman, so to speak.

And a Man, HAS to understand his real motivation for 'getting a girlfirend". As if having a GF will solve ALL his problems

Often, guys are so starved for female attention that it is NOT the woman he wants , it is just Female Attention and Female Validation...he is too empty and starved to make clear, mature decisions and be in tru control of himself and his desires.
So to him..ANY woman will do.
Any woman that smiles at him is his "future wife" so to speak
This is bad for both of them




No woman wants to be a 'placeholder'.
Not if she truly wants deep intimate , passionate Love

If she states what she wants, she is empowering herself.
If the guy waits for his potential woman to step up to the plate and state that she truly wants HIM and ONLY Him, then he can let himself be alittle more vulnerable and intimatelt connected to her

Sos maybe women dont want to be seen as weaker
They wont be
They wont be seen as nags

They dont have to be

All they may need to do, if so inclined, is STATE their desire for exclusivity with this man. And thats it. Leave it up to him.
This is NOT a power struggle here

this is understanding something higher evloved but based on primal mechanics, which we cannot change and must accept and deal with


Now, were not talking about a marriage proposal here

And even then, there are many people who feel it is perfectly fine for a woman to ask a man for his commitment to marriage

We are looking at this situation from the outside, we havent seen the prospective couple interact
Where you can SEE with your eyes the way the Man acts towards the potential GF
He demonstrates his love and affection for her, and she for him
We also need to think again of womens deep biological wiring about stakes.
IF she knows in her heart that she wants this man, and she is willing to take on the risk of all that entails with it, then BOTH of them come out ahead

And we need to get away from the idea of a Man having to 'prove his worth' and trying to 'win her over'.
This can be a very dangerous place for the majority of couples

It is approval seeking behavior, and it takes us right back where men are trying to escape from

So is there another side to this?

Actually, yes.

A confident man can still get a relationship if he can confidently STATE :
"I Want YOU, and only YOU."
(if you noticed, I also believe a woman can do the same thing..)

( he is stating, he is NOT "ASKING", there is a difference)
It depends on his Frame and Self Control. And he NEEDS to have FAITH in himself in the future to act congruently and accordingly whatever happens

This is not a LAW
IT is a guideline
And it is used to better serve the man who has not been well served by women in the past..........

and better serve a woman by empowering her to really get what she Wants and Needs
 

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jesus christ.

speechless.
 

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What your saying is exactly what I was getting at. Great post! Your thought process makes good sense. Cheers-
 
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I read the OPening post and have this to ask. You say men should just be busy with their career etc. What have you got to say of David De's advice to MOVE to a city that has more opportunities for meeting women?
 

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blackbelt2k said:
i agree, but what if you just desperate for head...like i am...
Buy her a decent pair of shoes.

She'll spread her starfish open with both hands.
 
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