Some off-kilter mind f*ck tactics.

[Slash Dolo]

I've been in a bit of a dry period when it comes to sex or hooking up lately compared to earlier this year. I'm in an experimental phase during this down time to keep my game sharp when something that interests me comes along. I'd like to hear your guys' opinions on these mind f*ck methods I've concocted. Let me know if you've tried something like them before and found success or a lack thereof.

Friend zoning her: Let's say you meet a girl, you hit it off, there's a spark there and you LJBF her... before or after you've banged her. Seriously, think about it; if she's into you or even showing the slightest bit of interest, doing this should in theory double her receptiveness towards you and your value. Think about it, how many guys do this to girls? But despite giving her the LJBF, your actions don't change towards her and you're still sexual in your pursuits. You still see her and talk to her, albeit sparingly. I don't want to be sexist, but from my experiences, women are addicted to drama and confusion like an alcoholic is addicted to booze. I've never specifically tried this, but I imagine if done right it would work fantastically.

Turning a rocky relationship into gravel: I HAVE tried this one before and got a 2 year relationship with a HB9 out of it. It works, but requires discipline. Most would say messing with girls in a relationship is bad news. Unethical, even. But in my opinion, it's all about being opportunistic. If you notice a girl is in an iffy relationship, you can amplify it WITHOUT her knowing. The 'without her knowing' part is crucial. You need to do this not with words, but with subtle things. If she complains about her boyfriend, do the exact opposite of what a normal guy who is attracted to her does; say "That's too bad. Hopefully you guys can work things out." Basically, brush it off, encourage them to fix things and change the subject so you don't fall into emotional tampon mode, but tease her, see her and flirt with her sparingly as well. Make it very subtle. Use social media/texting against them. Tag her in or post funny things to her Facebook wall to make her beta boyfriend fly off the handle with jealousy. If you know her schedule, text her randomly when you think she's with her boyfriend to again amplify jealousy. Invite her to parties or something where you will be attending AND tell her to bring her boyfriend. If he knows you're there, he'll pitch a fit. She'll see him as beta eventually, you'll bang her, then you can do as you wish from there.

False relationships: When I'm in a relationship, female attention essentially doubles for me. Pretending like you have something going with another girl while at social gatherings or when meeting new people even when you don't can make things a lot easier for you. Women ALWAYS want want they can't have and ALWAYS want to compete with other women. Seriously, I hate to be sexist again, but there hasn't been a girl I've met who hasn't fallen into this stereotype. The easiest way to get a girl is to have another girl who is attractive after your attention, even if she's completely made up. When you get texts from girls (even if they're just friends) and you're with a girl you're into, you can play it off as someone you're seeing but have yet to start dating seriously. This works wonders. Hell, you can change one of your guy friends' names in your phone to Stephanie or something and start texting him about video games or sports or whatever and make sure she sees it. You can even go so far as to make fake social media accounts that write flirty things on your wall; but this takes a lot of time and dedication and can backfire if you don't cover your tracks. If you've got the free time and are smart though, hey, it's worth a shot.

 

[Lozboss]

These are all awful ideas, sorry OP. The second is just unethical and quite frankly scumbag.

I'm a firm believer in both karma and conducting yourself ethically. Ethics and game aren't mutually exclusive.

I could go into why these are bad for their different reasons but frankly if you need to resort to this crap then all you will attract is low quality BPD nut cases, attention *****s or drama queens.

Instead why not work on the underlying bits:

Eg point 3: women are more attracted to the confidence and lack of insecurity that comes when men are in a relationship (you have no subconscious neediness). Remaining a challenge is important yes but overtly taking yourself off the singles market will often shoot yourself in the foot.

 

[BrainDamage92]

Ye fighting female tricks with female tricks... good luck

 

[Desdinova]

These are all awful ideas, sorry OP. The second is just unethical and quite frankly scumbag.

These are not awful ideas if they work. And they do indeed work. I've used all of this myself. If you understand how the female brain works, then you'll know that her emotions will override whatever "scumbag" things you do.

I could go into why these are bad for their different reasons but frankly if you need to resort to this crap then all you will attract is low quality BPD nut cases, attention *****s or drama queens.

Not true. This stuff works on almost ALL women regardless of how nutty they are. You need to use this stuff more sparingly on higher quality women, but it does work.

Instead why not work on the underlying bits:

Eg point 3: women are more attracted to the confidence and lack of insecurity that comes when men are in a relationship (you have no subconscious neediness). Remaining a challenge is important yes but overtly taking yourself off the singles market will often shoot yourself in the foot.

Why not incorporate all of this together? The man who sticks in a woman's mind the most is the one who gives her the most exciting emotional rollercoaster ride she's ever had. You will be stuck in her mind forever if you can achieve this, even years after you've parted ways.

 

[BrainDamage92]

Idc if it works, youre a phoney. Most of the sex I get is with taken girls who need abit of fun. But why steal them from the boyfriend when you have no intention of being with them, or if you do, youre plain stupid? The BF doesnt even have to get mentioned just a "He wont find out". Why would you want to give them "the rollercoster emotional ride" when theres no point in doing so unless you want a wifey and kids and a wifey who is 100 % proven cheater? Why do you lie to girls? You know its dishonest pricks like you who ruin women, I was like that too. You need love to validate your existance.

These tricks dont work at all, the girls just like you, while youre trapped in some phoney universe, it will ultimately crumble.

You pretend you have something going on by changing a guys name to Stephanie? Why not, in the middle of smooth flirting pull the, "Meh, Im not good with girls im such a virgin" *wink wink*. Harmeless. Does the trick.

Alot of things do the trick. Girls appreciate when you sleep with them and keep your mouth shut, and have a few beers with the BF if you have to acting completely innocent. Im a good actor. Its easy.

I did this rollercoaster thing with a girl a few years ago, didnt know what I was doing, such a thing suggests having clear intentions. You just lie to them on pourpose.

It will catch up to you

 

[Slash Dolo]

We live in a world where women manipulate men constantly, sh*t tests are thrown out endlessly and if I had a nickel every time I read about some girl flaking on someone on here and then going ghost I'd have about $1000. I read "The Black Flag" by Shark, a former forum member here and one line stuck with me, and that was "You're either the one f*cking or the one getting f*cked."

Sorry if you guys find these unethical, but women do not give a sh*t about ethics when it comes to you. And as Desdinova has mentioned, these things work. Which is interesting by the way, as I've only tried one of them. I'll be trying the other two for sure now.

 

[RangerMIke]

Acting like a woman to attract a woman..... Hmmm... no it doesn't really work.

Friend zoning her: her won't work because she will not be interested in you unless you let her know you are interested in fvcking her. If you tell her you want her as a friend, the switch goes off in her head that you are "not sex worthy", once that happens, you're toast. Of course this kind of tactic only works on crazy chicks, so if you're into crazy @ss stupid drama, go ahead.

Turning a rocky relationship into gravel: Truth is that if you are acting like a MAN, this is going to happen to you without you actually trying. This happens to me more than I like with married chicks than I'm comfortable with. I push them away and that just seams to encourage them.

False relationships: Now why in the world would you do this? When it's just way to freaking easy to just go out and actually date women.

 

[Lozboss]

We live in a world where women manipulate men constantly, sh*t tests are thrown out endlessly and if I had a nickel every time I read about some girl flaking on someone on here and then going ghost I'd have about $1000. I read "The Black Flag" by Shark, a former forum member here and one line stuck with me, and that was "You're either the one f*cking or the one getting f*cked."

Sorry if you guys find these unethical, but women do not give a sh*t about ethics when it comes to you. And as Desdinova has mentioned, these things work. Which is interesting by the way, as I've only tried one of them. I'll be trying the other two for sure now.

Why bother posting a thread asking for advice then proceed to tell us all why you are right?

Stop wasting people's time.

 

[zekko]

You know its dishonest pricks like you who ruin women, I was like that too. You need love to validate your existance.

The men fvck the women over, so the women become embittered so they decide to fvck men over, so more men become embittered and they vow to fvck women over, so more women become jaded and embittered so they fvck men over to get even, so more men become embittered so that they rationalize that they are justified in fvcking more women over, etc., etc.

It all becomes a vicious circle, and no one wins. That's why I don't like playing games.

You can't talk about "ethics" on a PUA forum, because half the guys don't care about them. However, most ethics are based on practicality, and that's what a lot of PUAs ignore. Many of the supposedly terrible bits of social conditioning are actually based on good, practical advice. For instance, if everyone thinks they can steal because ethics are just "social conditioning", then everyone gets their stuff stolen from them.

As for the OP's techniques, I would argue that in each situation doing the opposite can also have the desired result.

 

[Slash Dolo]

Why bother posting a thread asking for advice then proceed to tell us all why you are right?

Stop wasting people's time.

Another poster who had tried the techniques said they worked. I pointed out that they worked according to him, as I've only tried one. Everyone else tried to give me a lesson on ethics or why these wouldn't work in theory, which is also fine, but not what I specifically asked in the original post. Why bother posting on a forum when you don't bother to use basic reading comprehension? Stop wasting your own time.

I get it, these techniques can be seen as harsh on the surface, but it's simply reverse psychology in most cases. David D compared being successful with women to being successful at dog training. An ethical statement? Nah, but a fairly true one.

 

[Slash Dolo]

False relationships: Now why in the world would you do this? When it's just way to freaking easy to just go out and actually date women.

It's not hard to get dates with 6s and 7s, of course. I don't think a 9 will be too impressed and salivating at the chance to bang you based on girls like this, however, unless you already have an 8 or 9 you're spinning. Ever heard the phrase "You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette"? The whole point of this one is to up your perceived value in a hot chick's eyes even if you're starting from the bottom of the barrel or are having low success with women. More of a noobie tactic, but I imagine it can work for an experienced DJ as well.

 

[Suspens]

I can confirm the third one, it always works. It depends on your "acting" skills though.