Danger said:
Perhaps you missed the point where I said “from a morality standpoint”…..also known as “values”. That would mean no proof is required, it just means we have different values. Get an education son, it will help you be less confused in these discussions.
Let me repost what I said, that you missed. Maybe you won’t miss it this time.
Did you get it that time?
Are you suggesting that his actions should be tempered by the future status of his engagement to this woman?
Seriously?
So you have been on this site for 4.5 years and would still consider staying with this woman after her assaulting you?
I agree, that is why I said be aware of the second battle you would have to fight against society and to only do so if he is ready to fight that second battle. Did you miss the entire 2/3 of my post discussing that? Do you disagree? Or are YOU just being combative and trying to draw out a fight? You can state your morality but I can’t state mine?
If you are not interested in fighting that battle against society then it’s no big deal, I don’t hold it against you. Standing up to society is hard.
Being brave isn’t for everybody.
While obviously Danger you and I have had our share of disagreements on this forum, here we do agree.
Men are fighting a steeply uphill battle when it comes to DV issues. There is almost nothing we can do to protect ourselves in cases involving a women attacking us. Even if we stood there and took it, if the women then called the police and she said we had even poked a finger into her chest, we are going to jail.
I have done a lot of research into this and had a personal experience as well which I wrote about on this forum before. A legit BPD girl that I dated attacked me when I broke up with her at her home. Hit me, scratched me, kicked me. Finally I had enough and got on top of her, held her down by the wrists, and talked to her until she calmed down. Then I left. Half an hour later I got a call from the police saying I had better come see them. I get there and she said I attacked her. She even had scratch marks on her body (that she put there herself to implicate me). Let alone I don't have nails on me long enough to do that. Let alone she had tried to kill herself before and a couple of times purposely cut herself to make it look as if she had been attacked by someone, just to get my attention. Let alone I had marks all over me. I was put in jail for the weekend, she was left at home. I was fuming obviously at the injustice of it all.
The bottom line is that episode cost me about $5000 in court and lawyer fees, 6 months of anger management classes, and a ton of headaches. She after a few days recanted everything, and everything was eventually dropped, but it was still the stress of it all. And the cost. The funny thing was in the anger management class I was in, in downtown Flint MI, which is one of the worst cities there is as far as crime. I was in a class with some legit criminals. And the teacher there had heard it all as far as excuses why these guys had beat on their gf's or wives and when she first heard my story probably didnt believe a word of it. But by the end she was 100% believing me, was on my side, and even offered to get me out of the classes early because she knew I didnt belong there.
See, I am often accused of being a WK on this forum by some. Nothing could be further from the truth. If ANYONE should be pissed off at women, its me after all of that. But I know that not all women are alike and you should try and treat everyone with respect as long as they respect you back. So anyone who says I am a WK, like a couple here do, because I say you should run away from a violent DV situation? They really don't know what they are talking about. Lets say you fight back. Then what? You get put in jail for DV at best, and at worst assault or attempted murder. You spend a year trying to get out of it and paying endless amounts of cash. IT IS NOT WORTH IT. It is not worth it just to say you were a man and had to defend yourself. When a system is so slanted against you, you are much better off retreating, regrouping, and living to fight another day when things are more fairly balanced. Because the way things are set up right now? Men have no shot of ever getting a fair shake in DV issues. And remember, hell has no fury like a woman's scorn. IF they can fawk you while they are in that pissed off mode? They will. Always remember that.