Social Value? WTF

[Raikojo17]

i've been thinkin about this socail value issue for a while now, and i gotta say i think of it as crap. not total crap, jus crap. this social value junk jus works really on highschool girls who r stupid anyway and r obessed with bein popular or watever. really, i wont work on every women, unless they're the type who sits around swooning over male celeberties all day. i mean come on, as if girls really sit around and calculate the social vaule of a man. i kno complete nerds at an all boys school who still pull chicks. they dont pal around wit chicks to make girls jealous and all that bullcrap. they jus walk up to a girl and talk to her, get her number, and hit it off. sure, it helps to be known and all that, but u dont gotta be the most popular dude in the world to pull chicks. i kno girls who like guys who arent the biggest ladies men in the world, or have alot of female friends the bottom line is, girls will go for u if they LIKE U. plain an simple. no need waistin time and effort tryin to gain popularity jus to get chicks.

 

[Bussey]

Lol, you're not getting the point of the social value concept.

Okay, first I will ask you this. Would you approach a 7 sitting at the bar, by herself, looking nervous, eyes looking at her drink, not drawing a bit of attention to herself? Chances are you wouldn't see her.

Now how about the girl that every guy wants? The girl who is talking and everyone likes her a lot, think she's the coolest girl. Would you want her? Clearly you would.

Now with that being said, social value isn't just about showing you are personable, well liked and in demand by other people, but it gives you a better chance at getting laid. Here's why; for example, lets say for each 3 people you know, they will know one really cute girl. Now if you have 3 friends, you're kinda limited to that one, maybe 1 or 2 more that you were introduced to taht night because they talked to someone else.

Now lets let's say you go out with 20 of your friends, now there are 20 people who will vouch for you, 6 girls who know them and thus could be targets for you, and 20 people mingling in a bar is going to allow you to meet say 100 other new people...

Which guy would be more likely to get laid? The guy who meets 10 people one night as a result of his, and his 3 friends meeting new people, or the guy who goes out and knows 20 people and meets 100.

Social proof is also more of an internal thing. If you can meet and build rapport with 20 people, damn its going to be a lot easier to talk to a girl. Its building your self esteem, confidence, self worth everything!

 

[Demon]

... but u dont gotta be the most popular dude in the world to pull chicks.

Right, but like you said, it helps.

 

[Doddy]

Raikojo17, I think you have a flaw in your understanding of social proof.

You know those guys who walk into a place and shakes hands with everyone, hugs the women and everyone says "That Doddy is one cool guy" , well these are the guys that everyone wants to be around, includin the women. Its basic psychology. Now I know alot of people knock Mystery's theories just as people knock backs tonnes of other PUAs theories, but social proof has a basis in fact and it is somethinh Mystery touches upon.

us humans like to think we're so evolved when really we aren't. We still rely on technology for one, something that has evolved depends on its self to get by because nature as seen it as fit to be allowed to live. If we were to suddenly get rid of technology, the laws and societies we have constructed I am sorry to say we would not have a population crisis. Anyway, why am I talking about evolution!? Well, we still adhere to pack mentality us humans, peer pressure and the like, we all like people that other people like such as the cool dude i mentioned who walks into somewhere and everyone gives him a positive response. If every person likes this one guy he stands out and therefore the chicks are a little more interested.

This is a leftover from way back when. The guy who is instantly likable and has a large group around him has more power than the loser who sits by himself in the corner.

Say we have a group of 100 people in given venue. If Mr Cool (who I shall refer to as Doddy ;D) is liked by 90 people the chances are if someone picks on him you're going to have 90 people prepared to defend him...aaand, kick your ass. Now imagine you're the chick who is romantically attached to Doddy then she is going to be treated with more respect, because if you piss her off you will piss Doddy off who will have his 90 strong army of ass kicking pals to **** you up three ways from sunday.

Now you can be the little highschooler who craves popularity or the independent womans woman but you can't fight this little part of you still trapped in the cave days, that genetic instinct, the same as you can't keep your eyes open when you sneeze unless your some ****ing triffid freak!

Its how we survive and its with us to stay for many more millenia if not till we become extinct.

 

[Raikojo17]

k i get the concept kno alittl better, but i dont get how it's effective. i have alot of people who no me and think im a nice, cool guy. but girls dont seem to pick up on that. probably doesnt help much goin to an all boys school huh? lol

 

[PigAdlemPimp]

Lol, you're not getting the point of the social value concept.

Okay, first I will ask you this. Would you approach a 7 sitting at the bar, by herself, looking nervous, eyes looking at her drink, not drawing a bit of attention to herself? Chances are you wouldn't see her.

Now how about the girl that every guy wants? The girl who is talking and everyone likes her a lot, think she's the coolest girl. Would you want her? Clearly you would.

Now with that being said, social value isn't just about showing you are personable, well liked and in demand by other people, but it gives you a better chance at getting laid. Here's why; for example, lets say for each 3 people you know, they will know one really cute girl. Now if you have 3 friends, you're kinda limited to that one, maybe 1 or 2 more that you were introduced to taht night because they talked to someone else.

Now lets let's say you go out with 20 of your friends, now there are 20 people who will vouch for you, 6 girls who know them and thus could be targets for you, and 20 people mingling in a bar is going to allow you to meet say 100 other new people...

Which guy would be more likely to get laid? The guy who meets 10 people one night as a result of his, and his 3 friends meeting new people, or the guy who goes out and knows 20 people and meets 100.

Social proof is also more of an internal thing. If you can meet and build rapport with 20 people, damn its going to be a lot easier to talk to a girl. Its building your self esteem, confidence, self worth everything!

I differ from most other dudes in that I prefer the stunningly attractive quiet types of babes over the real talkative popular outgoing ones.
The reasons are that even though most dudes think that the straight classy quietly spoken conservative feminine HB7-10s are impossible to allure, I myself find it alot easier to seduce them.
Many dude are unable to break the ice with these babes because they appear to be either non interested, too snobish, too straight, too conservative, or just too shy, for them to open them up.
This means that the greater majority of them rarely ever get cold approached by the hunks who are after a quick fix.
When I am sarging I look for these types of babes, I have worked out my strategy in order to seduce them.
Many of these pretty shy ladies have low self esteem, if they are the HB7/8 type of long brown haired babe with small to medium sized breasts, they think that all the dudes only want them for sex, and feel very insecure when they are arround the extremely popular outgoing busty voluptuous gorgeous HB9/10 long blonde haired bombshells.
Don't deny these cute babes they will do everything to please you, plus they look so much hotter when they know that a good looking dude is into them.
In saying this I love to fvck the popular blonde babes as well though they can be complete b1tches at times as they know that every dude desires to obtain them. :yes:

 

[DJ_in_making]

are you kidding me guy?

*hurls from reading post

If you're sitting by yourself at a restaraunt or something then decide approach a group of girls, they might think you're a loser who has no friends and probably wouldn't want to associate with you.

If you are on the other hand with a bunch of friends or a lot of girls having a good time and everything, then you approach them, they would think "he's got to have something cool about him or he's atleast not a TOTAL loser" and they'll think its not like he needs us, he's already with cool people and ur in.

This is not always conscious they may think this subconsciously also friend. But do you honestly not feel like its easier to approach a set when you're surrounded by girls or something?

 

[DJ_in_making]

i kno girls who like guys who arent the biggest ladies men in the world, or have alot of female friends the bottom line is, girls will go for u if they LIKE U. plain an simple. no need waistin time and effort tryin to gain popularity jus to get chicks.

What kind of girls?

If you say HB7's and below my response is: No Sh*t and who cares...

If you say HB 8's and above my reply is bullsh*t, no they don't.

 

[Delta]

raikojo17,

i sense a lot of bitterness. are you bitter?

social proof alas makes a difference to women (especially women) because it shows how important you are in a society... the more important - read: powerful you are, the more attractive you are - THIS IS WHAT IS ATTRACTIVE IN MEN.

what you are whining about sounds like obese,unattractive girls complaining that guys can't get past "superficial" looks to see the "real me".

jeez, what you said about your friends thinking you're a nice cool guy just ooooooozes with that same mentality.

well get over it. unless you're gonna fvck your friends, it actually doesn't matter one iota what they think.

you want chicks to be hot. they have wants too. pony up.

delta

 

[Raikojo17]

*hurls from reading post

If you're sitting by yourself at a restaraunt or something then decide approach a group of girls, they might think you're a loser who has no friends and probably wouldn't want to associate with you.

If you are on the other hand with a bunch of friends or a lot of girls having a good time and everything, then you approach them, they would think "he's got to have something cool about him or he's atleast not a TOTAL loser" and they'll think its not like he needs us, he's already with cool people and ur in.

This is not always conscious they may think this subconsciously also friend. But do you honestly not feel like its easier to approach a set when you're surrounded by girls or something?

yea, i agree wit that. but i do think it's easier gaming chicks without the pressure of look cool infront of ur friends

 

[Raikojo17]

raikojo17,

i sense a lot of bitterness. are you bitter?

social proof alas makes a difference to women (especially women) because it shows how important you are in a society... the more important - read: powerful you are, the more attractive you are - THIS IS WHAT IS ATTRACTIVE IN MEN.

what you are whining about sounds like obese,unattractive girls complaining that guys can't get past "superficial" looks to see the "real me".

jeez, what you said about your friends thinking you're a nice cool guy just ooooooozes with that same mentality.

well get over it. unless you're gonna fvck your friends, it actually doesn't matter one iota what they think.

you want chicks to be hot. they have wants too. pony up.

delta

no man, lol im not bitter, jus confused. i mean, it's more guys that arent extremely powerful to society ( highschool society), or real popular, yet they still get chicks. 85% of the guys who have gf's and wives are not huge powerful tycoons, jus normal guys with normal friends. so how do they pull it off without crazy amounts of social proof is wat im tryin to get at.

 

[PigAdlemPimp]

*hurls from reading post

If you're sitting by yourself at a restaraunt or something then decide approach a group of girls, they might think you're a loser who has no friends and probably wouldn't want to associate with you.

If you are on the other hand with a bunch of friends or a lot of girls having a good time and everything, then you approach them, they would think "he's got to have something cool about him or he's atleast not a TOTAL loser" and they'll think its not like he needs us, he's already with cool people and ur in.

This is not always conscious they may think this subconsciously also friend. But do you honestly not feel like its easier to approach a set when you're surrounded by girls or something?

I don't know where you have learnt this from, I couldn't give a sh1t what any other dudes think about me, I am more than happy to cold approach a bunch of HB7-10s in every possible type of situation.
I prefer to sarge when I'm out alone, if I am sitting by myself in a restraunt I will cold approach a bunch of six HBs who are sitting at another table with extreme confidence.
If you veiw yourself as being a loser because the cool dudes don't like you, then I guess the HBs will veiw you as being a loser as well.
If you are extremely confident being in your own company you will have much more success cold approaching HBs when you are sarging alone then you will when sarging with the cool dudes around.
To me it is approach approach approach, anyway why sit in a restraunt or at a bar when the streets parks shopping malls and hospitals are full of HBs, whom it is much easier and quicker to sarge whilst I am walking around alone, I am my own Authority, sarge on and you will be fvcking on. :yes:

 

[Raikojo17]

I don't know where you have learnt this from, I couldn't give a sh1t what any other dudes think about me, I am more than happy to cold approach a bunch of HB7-10s in every possible type of situation.
I prefer to sarge when I'm out alone, if I am sitting by myself in a restraunt I will cold approach a bunch of six HBs who are sitting at another table with extreme confidence.
If you veiw yourself as being a loser because the cool dudes don't like you, then I guess the HBs will veiw you as being a loser as well.
If you are extremely confident being in your own company you will have much more success cold approaching HBs when you are sarging alone then you will when sarging with the cool dudes around.
To me it is approach approach approach, anyway why sit in a restraunt or at a bar when the streets parks shopping malls and hospitals are full of HBs, whom it is much easier and quicker to sarge whilst I am walking around alone, I am my own Authority, sarge on and you will be fvcking on. :yes:

my man, that is the truth, and my whole point. sarge on bro

 

[DJ_in_making]

I don't know where you have learnt this from, I couldn't give a sh1t what any other dudes think about me, I am more than happy to cold approach a bunch of HB7-10s in every possible type of situation.
I prefer to sarge when I'm out alone, if I am sitting by myself in a restraunt I will cold approach a bunch of six HBs who are sitting at another table with extreme confidence.
If you veiw yourself as being a loser because the cool dudes don't like you, then I guess the HBs will veiw you as being a loser as well.
If you are extremely confident being in your own company you will have much more success cold approaching HBs when you are sarging alone then you will when sarging with the cool dudes around.
To me it is approach approach approach, anyway why sit in a restraunt or at a bar when the streets parks shopping malls and hospitals are full of HBs, whom it is much easier and quicker to sarge whilst I am walking around alone, I am my own Authority, sarge on and you will be fvcking on. :yes:

yea? do you ever go clubbin' alone?

 

[DJ_in_making]

yea, i agree wit that. but i do think it's easier gaming chicks without the pressure of look cool infront of ur friends

If your friends aren't encouraging you, being good wingmen, giving constructive criticism or saying "good job anyway" after a rejection. They need to be replaced like an old computer!

 

[Raikojo17]

so is social proof bein the most popular guy round? or is it jus bein cool wit alot of people? i mean, im fairly popular in the sense that everyon knows who i am and i'm cool with them, and they dont think ima a loser, jus a cool calm guy. but im not popular in the sense that im the star of the football team and stuff like that. do u need social proof like that to get chicks? cuz i do pretty good without bein a star athlete. although i do wrestle

 

[oakraiderz2]

so is social proof bein the most popular guy round? or is it jus bein cool wit alot of people? i mean, im fairly popular in the sense that everyon knows who i am and i'm cool with them, and they dont think ima a loser, jus a cool calm guy. but im not popular in the sense that im the star of the football team and stuff like that. do u need social proof like that to get chicks? cuz i do pretty good without bein a star athlete. although i do wrestle

Stop looking at the extremes and making this so goddamn complicated. If a girl sees you by yourself all the time and you never talk to anyone and look like a social misfit...shes gonna assume youre a loser. Its fine to be out alone doing something and to approach a group of girls as long as youre CONFIDENT! Its really that simple. Youre at a party alone...go talk to girls and handle it from there. If a girls value is significantly higher than yours then youre gonna have some trouble unless you can do something to intrigue her. Case close...stop being stupid.

 

[Distant Light]

Social value is basically how valuable you are in social interactions. Women are attracted to it because a woman's whole life is based on social value. Why do you think they don't want to ever be considered a slut.

When woman's beauty is her social value and that can't be changed in over 1 day, you can see your hb9 walking and see her another day and still think she is hot. For us guys they are attracted to our personality which is our social value. (Guys also tend to want to be around people with high social value to)

For example say Kobe wanted to play basketball with you and a total stranger asks you to play with him instead. Who would you pick?

Most likely you will pick kobe because he has access to exclusive things, can teach you something, and in the end boost your social value.

Why do you think club promoters, bouncers, etc can get laid because they have something that you can benefit from. Now say you are in a club and girls are flocking to you, you have assumed high value because these girls are just all around you and are all over you.

 

[Raikojo17]

Stop looking at the extremes and making this so goddamn complicated. If a girl sees you by yourself all the time and you never talk to anyone and look like a social misfit...shes gonna assume youre a loser. Its fine to be out alone doing something and to approach a group of girls as long as youre CONFIDENT! Its really that simple. Youre at a party alone...go talk to girls and handle it from there. If a girls value is significantly higher than yours then youre gonna have some trouble unless you can do something to intrigue her. Case close...stop being stupid.

lol ill take that as constructive criticism. u have come closets to the point im tryin to get. most guys on here make it sound like to get girls, u gotta be at a club with hundreds of them flocking to u. basically they're sayin PUAing is a popularity contest. I have a pretty good amount of friends, but i have no problem bein out alone. u dont gotta be a movie star to get girls. that's why i say most of the popularity posts on here r crap.

 

[oakraiderz2]

lol ill take that as constructive criticism. u have come closets to the point im tryin to get. most guys on here make it sound like to get girls, u gotta be at a club with hundreds of them flocking to u. basically they're sayin PUAing is a popularity contest. I have a pretty good amount of friends, but i have no problem bein out alone. u dont gotta be a movie star to get girls. that's why i say most of the popularity posts on here r crap.

Yea, but then you have to look at girls and how they perceive popularity. There are girls who look for a high social status in guys; power, money, friends, free sh*t and anything else that can increase her status. Most girls arent willing to lower the social status by being seeing with a "loser" or hanging around a particular group of people. Think back to the middle ages, back around the time of arranged marriages. People would marry into the same class, sometimes they marry up, but that was rare. Its comparable to an extent. Of course being really outgoing and popular will attract some girls, but being laid back and just knowing people when you go somewhere will be enough. You have nothing to worry about, BUT if you go somewhere and are the life of the party and girls feel like you have a lot to offer...it wont hurt ya.