Social experiment: Pick from 1-10

[Alle_Gory]

Lol exactly as I predicted in my previous post in this thread. Once again he insulted us with his retarded ego argument. And once again he tells us nothing even though we keep asking him to. Lol he word for word did exactly as my previous post said, jesus christ.

You have to realize that people who cling to such beliefs have internalized them to such a degree that it's a part of them. To say that a Mayan prophecy is probably bull**** is a personal insult.

This is why time after time they cling to whatever shred of belief they can find. Even if proven wrong time and time again, they'll just say to themselves "oh I guess the doomsday date was calculated wrong, it must be next year, the next year, the next year..."

Humans seem to have an innate desire to believe in something greater, unfortunately this desire also breeds plenty of tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists who supplement with the crazy unfounded topic of the week.

I always wondered why so many quantum physicists turn into spirituality.

There's nothing wrong with spirituality. It's very humbling to realize there's always more than meets the eye and more than the existence we see. There is something very wrong with saying you know the truth about what there is despite any supporting evidence. One is based on fact (what little we know) and the other is based on delusion.

 

[n00bPimp]

Explanation of the Mayan Calendar:

This chart is a summary of each level, or “wave”, of the Mayan calendar, along with their start dates. They all end on the date of Oct 28:
http://oct282011.com/thesafe/f_1.png

Keep in mind that the Mayan calendar is not some type of rule that the Universe must follow, its an observation made by the beings whose science was beyond their time. This is why it deserves at least some credibility. Don’t pay attention to the Day/night part, that would take very long to explain and is not significant for this purpose. In short, each “day/night” is a step in the evolution of that consciousness wave.

As this shows, consciousness evolves in “waves”, one giving rise to the next. Notice how not all life forms evolved. Only a selected few evolved. The ones that did not evolve, however, did not go extinct, they lived along the evolved.

How consciousness evolved in every wave:

In the 8th wave, the collective consciousness woke up to the oppression of social programming, the internet was the most effective tool in accomplishing this. However, not all evolved to this level, there are many who are still stuck believing in the system, unable to let go of the status quo.

In the 7th wave, many realized the truths of our universe as revealed by the age of the Enlightenment. Humanity realized the Earth is not flat, they discovered that religion can be misleading, the theory of evolution was born, the industrial age, and so on. To this day, some have not evolved into this level of consciousness and still reject some of the ideas brought by the Enlightenment era.

In the 6th wave, societies evolved from a mostly matriarch society in to patriarchy, from pagan or polytheistic, to monotheistic. They also adopted laws. This was the era that gave rise to Buddha, Socrates, Judaism, Jesus, etc. Some, such as aborigines and other remote societies, never evolved into this consciousness.

In the 5th wave, homo-sapiens began forming societies. Some of them did not evolve into this consciousness level. Those who did not evolve are known as the Neanderthals, which were eventually wiped out.

In the 4th wave, humans evolved from monkeys, however not all monkeys evolved.

All the way until the 1st wave, the cellular cycle, some cells evolved into organisms, others did not. This is true until this day.

So who is evolving in the last wave, the 9th wave?

Those who have awakened to the ego. The 9th wave is about recognizing the power of your consciousness, its power to manifest. You manifest everything you focus on, starting with your fears, because fears tend to receive more mental focus than optimistic scenarios. In order to manifest only what one wants, one must have total control of their ego, because many types of fear come from the ego. The ego is your thoughts about yourself and yours set of beliefs, among other things. In a way, we can say that truly, the 9th wave is about recognizing the illusion that is the ego, and freeing yourself from the illusion. Those who accomplish this evolution, will have completed the evolutionary cycle.

All this data can be easily checked. None of this has been my opinion, but the conclusions of researchers. I will list a few below.

The dates are not the exact moment when the evolutions occurred, but the starting point for which the environment for that evolution step was most favorable. There’s a mathematical formula for this calendar too. Each wave is 20x smaller than the previous. Also, the second wave is not the end of the first, it is part of the first. http://www.mayanmajix.com/9steps_eng.jpg
The end of all the waves is Oct. 28. 2011. What does this mean? Nobody knows. But as humans we obviously speculate and jump to conclusions in an effort to be right or to feel the security of “knowing”.

This is only a small summary condensing too many hours of material. Here are some good starting points:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEyZFbkvJjw
http://www.mayanmajix.com/art024p.pdf

 

[n00bPimp]

You're sounding dangerously religious noob and we all know how well rational arguments tend to go with the average man of faith...

Don’t worry I don’t affiliate myself to any type of beliefs or religions I just talk about what I’ve learned, if at some point I realize it is false then I will discard it. I’ve learned to disassociate myself from any type of mental position, so I don’t hold my ideas as part of who I am. This is why I don’t take any comments personally and I suggest everyone does the same.
As far as rational arguments, quantum physics has proven that the universe is not as rational as we believed it to be. So in order to better understand it one must sometimes look into the irrational.
Its not easy for the mind to grasp concepts such as the coincidental, the eternal, and the infinite. But religion, for example, being irrational, does a better job than science at coping with those concepts.

You have to realize that people who cling to such beliefs have internalized them to such a degree that it's a part of them. To say that a Mayan prophecy is probably bull**** is a personal insult.

This is why time after time they cling to whatever shred of belief they can find. Even if proven wrong time and time again, they'll just say to themselves "oh I guess the doomsday date was calculated wrong, it must be next year, the next year, the next year..."

Humans seem to have an innate desire to believe in something greater, unfortunately this desire also breeds plenty of tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists who supplement with the crazy unfounded topic of the week.

I agree with this, even if it does not apply to me. I find this stuff to be extremely interesting, but, like I said, I don’t cling to any type of belief about it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how the dates and the rationality of the Calendar can be questioned, but the message that it gives is powerful. As I showed on my previous posts, the dates are of lesser importance.

 

[ArcBound]

I skimmed through your posts and your knowledge of science and history is a little bit shaky.

1. Evolution NEVER EVER EVER claims humans evolved from monkeys as you state. Evolution claims humans and monkeys have common ancestors, an extremely important and subtle difference.

2. You say in the 6th wave we discovered religion. And you give one example as Jesus. And then in the next 7th wave you say we discovered that the Earth is not flat. Except for the fact that Eratosthenes a Greek not only knew the earth was round but actually calculated the circumference of it to a very good measure centuries before Jesus Christ was even born, and before the inception of some of the religions you list. So chronologically the 7th wave should be before the 6th, or something is wrong in the wave accounts you give us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes#Eratosthenes.27_measurement_of_the_Earth.27s_circumference

3. You say homo sapiens that did not form consciousness and societies were neanderthals and wiped out. Except that neanderthals are from a different branch completely from homo sapiens:

"Some morphological studies support the view that Homo neanderthalensis is a separate species and not a subspecies.[22] Others, for example University of Cambridge Professor Paul Mellars, say "no evidence has been found of cultural interaction"[23] and evidence from mitochondrial DNA studies have been interpreted as evidence Neanderthals were not a subspecies of H. sapiens"

Those alone are a couple of sizable flaws in the version of the Mayan calendar (or at least the way you are explaining it to everyone) that can't just be ignored. I skimmed and found more, maybe I'll post them after I'm done with work...

How do you explain this? I don't really care about 1 and 3 that much, but my point number 2 your "wave" chronological order goes opposite of history. How would you explain that?

Note this is not insulting your beliefs or views, this is a straight question looking for a straight answer, none of that your ego can't handle it BS.

 

[n00bPimp]

I skimmed through your posts and your knowledge of science and history is a little bit shaky.

1. Evolution NEVER EVER EVER claims humans evolved from monkeys as you state. Evolution claims humans and monkeys have common ancestors, an extremely important and subtle difference.

Its very oversimplified. Scientifically speaking, the first human ancestors, the Homo habilis, appeared during this period. By monkey I mean the Australopithecus, the ape from which the first homo species evolved from.

2. You say in the 6th wave we discovered religion. And you give one example as Jesus. And then in the next 7th wave you say we discovered that the Earth is not flat. Except for the fact that Eratosthenes a Greek not only knew the earth was round but actually calculated the circumference of it to a very good measure centuries before Jesus Christ was even born, and before the inception of some of the religions you list. So chronologically the 7th wave should be before the 6th, or something is wrong in the wave accounts you give us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes#Eratosthenes.27_measurement_of_the_Earth.27s_circumference

That is correct. However this discovery was not widely accepted until two thousand years later. The calendar is the timeline for which the number of people adopting a new and revolutionary way of seeing themselves and their Universe, reaches critical mass.

3. You say homo sapiens that did not form consciousness and societies were neanderthals and wiped out. Except that neanderthals are from a different branch completely from homo sapiens:

"Some morphological studies support the view that Homo neanderthalensis is a separate species and not a subspecies.[22] Others, for example University of Cambridge Professor Paul Mellars, say "no evidence has been found of cultural interaction"[23] and evidence from mitochondrial DNA studies have been interpreted as evidence Neanderthals were not a subspecies of H. sapiens"

Those alone are a couple of sizable flaws in the version of the Mayan calendar (or at least the way you are explaining it to everyone) that can't just be ignored. I skimmed and found more, maybe I'll post them after I'm done with work...

I'm pretty sure that study was discredited a long time ago. How can that be true if the Neanderthals went extinct only 30,000 years ago? Even wikipedia claims otherwise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens. Yet, even if this is ultimately proven to be untrue, the fact that homo sapiens appeared during the 5th wave remains true.

Note this is not insulting your beliefs or views, this is a straight question looking for a straight answer, none of that your ego can't handle it BS.

Noted and appreciated.

 

[Alle_Gory]

How can that be true if the Neanderthals went extinct only 30,000 years ago?

That branch was simply not successful and they simply died. However the neandrethal genes live on because homo sapiens and neadrethals were similar enough to mate with one another. We took their genes into our population and were more successful.

 

[Martin Shabazz Jr.]

You can only lead a horse to water, noob, you can't make them drink.

 

[Alle_Gory]

You can only lead a horse to water, noob, you can't make them drink.

Water's filled with brain parasites. Smart horse.

 

[SamTheHobit]

Morons.

 

[Zodiac]

Water's filled with brain parasites. Smart horse.

Wow.....

 

[Alle_Gory]

Wait so, what did the poll end up being for?

Numerology.

 

[Alle_Gory]

I was wating for Deep Dish/Rogue, I was hoping he would take the bait and inject some reason and logic into this thread. I am disappointed. Oh well, I will try instead.

Keep in mind that the Mayan calendar is not some type of rule that the Universe must follow, its an observation made by the beings whose science was beyond their time.

I disagree with this statement. Their science was fantastic, however the stupid and unwashed masses always try to silence truth and science mostly due to politics even in this day and age. It's sickening. You hear of the recent Mexican physicists that received booby trapped mail? Thankfully the morons that sent them the explosive devices were too stupid to hook them up correctly so everyone lived, they were badly harmed, but they lived.

In the 8th wave, the collective consciousness woke up to the oppression of social programming, the internet was the most effective tool in accomplishing this. However, not all evolved to this level, there are many who are still stuck believing in the system, unable to let go of the status quo.

This isn't very specific. It's easy to speak in generalities and make them seem accurate, read a fortune cookie sometime.

In the 7th wave, many realized the truths of our universe as revealed by the age of the Enlightenment. Humanity realized the Earth is not flat, they discovered that religion can be misleading, the theory of evolution was born, the industrial age, and so on. To this day, some have not evolved into this level of consciousness and still reject some of the ideas brought by the Enlightenment era.

To be fair, people have been fighting the suffocating nonsense that is organized religion for some time. The age of enlightenment hasn't brought much reason and order to the world, especially when you consider the size of organized religion in this day and age. Look at something like Christianity, it's spread all over the world and has taken over many other religions from Asia to South America to Africa.

In the 5th wave, homo-sapiens began forming societies. Some of them did not evolve into this consciousness level. Those who did not evolve are known as the Neanderthals, which were eventually wiped out.

Homo Sapiens always had societies there was no need to form anything, this is why they were Homo Sapiens. The Neandrethals were the loners. They weren't wiped out as much as they simply died off just like most Homo Sapiens. But we're Homo Sapiens you say!

No we are not. Most people have a sizeable amount of genes from Neanderthals as recent genetic testing has shown. Turns out that Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals were genetically close enough to mate and produce offspring.

In the 4th wave, humans evolved from monkeys, however not all monkeys evolved.

We did not evolve from monkeys. Both us and monkeys evolved from the same ancestor who is now obsolete and has been long dead. Over time we evolved bigger brains and the apes evolved slightly bigger and stronger bodies.

We did not come from monkeys. We are related since they are a very, very distant cousin and we had the same great, great, great..... grandmother.

Those who have awakened to the ego. The 9th wave is about recognizing the power of your consciousness, its power to manifest

This is starting to sound an awful lot like Maslow's hierarchy of needs. The ego and need for self actualization are at the top. I wouldn't be surprised if the some Mayan philosopher discovered it at the time. It's pretty self explanatory and it's a phenomenon that happens in a heavily civilized society removed from basic needs like food, shelter and the struggle for safety and security.

The end of all the waves is Oct. 28. 2011. What does this mean? Nobody knows.

I know, and I will share. What will happen on Oct 28, 2011? Nothing different.

 

[n00bPimp]

I was wating for Deep Dish/Rogue, I was hoping he would take the bait and inject some reason and logic into this thread. I am disappointed. Oh well, I will try instead.

I disagree with this statement. Their science was fantastic, however the stupid and unwashed masses always try to silence truth and science mostly due to politics even in this day and age. It's sickening. You hear of the recent Mexican physicists that received booby trapped mail? Thankfully the morons that sent them the explosive devices were too stupid to hook them up correctly so everyone lived, they were badly harmed, but they lived.

I cant see how this is relevant to anything I've said, is this for or against discovering Mayan science?

This isn't very specific. It's easy to speak in generalities and make them seem accurate, read a fortune cookie sometime.

To be fair, people have been fighting the suffocating nonsense that is organized religion for some time. The age of enlightenment hasn't brought much reason and order to the world, especially when you consider the size of organized religion in this day and age. Look at something like Christianity, it's spread all over the world and has taken over many other religions from Asia to South America to Africa.

Thanks to the Enlightenment most of the world had revolutions against imperialist rule, governments officially recognized an economic system such as capitalism, most importantly, the United States became independent. Its a fact, a new form of consciousness swept over the world starting in the late 1700's. Consciousness evolved, and the world was never the same after that, for better or for worse. This is the pattern that the waves of evolution of consciousness are pointing to.

Homo Sapiens always had societies there was no need to form anything, this is why they were Homo Sapiens. The Neandrethals were the loners. They weren't wiped out as much as they simply died off just like most Homo Sapiens. But we're Homo Sapiens you say!

Yes, there have always been primitive societies, they were more like tribes. These primitive societies lacked an official structure with taxes and central body of rule makers. Primitive societies instead were ruled by a priest or some form of spiritual leader. What this wave points to to is the birth of modern civilization. People started forming societies with sets of laws, and cities became more predominant. This is the time of the Ten Commandments, the Babylonians, Egyptians, etc. This is also when writting was invented, allowing humans to start recording history. You will not find any recorded history from before 5000 bc.

No we are not. Most people have a sizeable amount of genes from Neanderthals as recent genetic testing has shown. Turns out that Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals were genetically close enough to mate and produce offspring.

Your argument is conflicting with Arcbound's, and the verdict is that there's still no consensus on this. But this not important, the fact is that intelligence started to manifest in this wave. Humans started wearing clothes, using language, hunting for food, they discovered fire, primitive religions, and a list of other things which point to an evolved form of consciousness as compared to the period before 100,000 bc. "Skoyles and Sagan for example argues that human brain expansion by increasing the prefrontal cortex ... increasingly accelerated during the last 100,000 years.[32] " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Stone_Age
Remember that the Calendar describes the evolution of consciousness, not of life forms.

We did not evolve from monkeys. Both us and monkeys evolved from the same ancestor who is now obsolete and has been long dead. Over time we evolved bigger brains and the apes evolved slightly bigger and stronger bodies.

We did not come from monkeys. We are related since they are a very, very distant cousin and we had the same great, great, great..... grandmother.

I already addressed this in a previous post. The earliest form of human was the homo habilis, which evolved from the Australopithecus 2 million yrs ago.

This is starting to sound an awful lot like Maslow's hierarchy of needs. The ego and need for self actualization are at the top. I wouldn't be surprised if the some Mayan philosopher discovered it at the time. It's pretty self explanatory and it's a phenomenon that happens in a heavily civilized society removed from basic needs like food, shelter and the struggle for safety and security.

Descartes asked himself how do i know that I exist? To which he answered "I think, therefore I am", and the world agreed with that, but a person with a more evolved consciousness will answer differently, "I'm consciouss that I think, therefore I am". This separation of the thinker and the self is the new form consciousness.


Obviously I had make a lot of generalizations since I'm summarizing centuries of human history in a few sentences. There are hundreds of books out there detailing, with supporting facts, everything I've said here. Read some books by Dr. Carl Calleman or do a search for Mayan Calendar books on amazon.

 

[n00bPimp]

Wait so, what did the poll end up being for?

People are most likely to choose the number 7 when they are focused. This is why the poll shown here http://oct282011.com/poll.php has slightly different results than the one in this forum.

 

[Alle_Gory]

I cant see how this is relevant to anything I've said, is this for or against discovering Mayan science?

The Mayans and the Aztecs and all the other civilizations in the area had very good science. I am for the science, I am however against the "astrology" and the new age mumbo jumbo that tries to put a new spin on it. The Mayans had a primitive form of Astronomy and they were very good at it.

governments officially recognized an economic system such as capitalism

Capitalism. So when multinational corporations and government collude to influence markets, that's capitalism right? I was under the impression that capitalism involved competition among businesses and that consumers were given choice how to spend their money.

If I were you I would look into things like no-bid contracts, rigged auctions (like the recent spectrum sale to telcos), and colluding to fix prices with competing companies forming an effective cartel.

I see little capitalism.

You will not find any recorded history from before 5000 bc.

Cave paintings from 35,000 years ago. It's a form of recorded history. Unfortunately early humans didn't have the time or resources available to invent writing so they used what they had.