So in other words, Global Warming means ... nothing

[synergy1]

i'm glad you asked!
read carefully
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algae_fuel
they use lands that are not suitable for agriculture!

it's like you all don't WANT a solution, we need some though. You all act like poeple that were dissing the internet as a way of growth not so long ago. If everybody were like you, research wouldn't progress a bit; hell if everybody was like you there would be no innovation ever, and no bill gates, proably no internet, and no SUSUAVE forum. We need to have some vision to foresee, anticipate what's comming in order to make things happen. It's the key of success.
everybody here that are all like nothing can replace oil blabla: GEt your head out of you ass

It might be a viable alternative in 5-10 years, but it isn't right now. There is a lot of good work underway both by the US government ( DARPA), and private enterprises such as Synthetic Genomics to make this happen. Even though my algae company didn't work out, I still believe in it. But lets be real and understand that there are a myriad of issues that need to be addressed before its viable on a large scale.

To say that I am not interested , and don't want a solution would just be a lie. Thats not true. However, I have done enough leg work to know that a solution will be policy driven, which I don't see the US doing as a top priority. That part of me has indeed given up while petrol and shale gas is currently so abundant.

Abiotic Oil is made deep within the earth, not from fossils. Oil is constantly replenishing deep wells at 30,000 feet where no organic matter exists.

Some are suggesting hetrotrophic (using sugars instead of sunlight) in the absence of sunlight could work too. While they might not be the same, the BTU content of algae oil is actually higher and cleaner burning than regular petrol...which is good!

 

[Alle_Gory]

Abiotic Oil is made deep within the earth, not from fossils. Oil is constantly replenishing deep wells at 30,000 feet where no organic matter exists.

That's a theory that hasn't been proven plausible. (too little evidence)

Also keep in mind that it's a theory formulated before the creation of organic chemistry.

The abiologic theory for the origin of petroleum is usually traced to the early part of the 19th century. The hypothesis was developed well before the field of organic chemistry, much less that of biochemistry, was established so the chemical nature of the petroleum was not known. Absent intellectual framework of organic and biological chemistry, abiologic theories were inevitable. In the early 19th century, Phlogiston theory was the dominant model for explaining chemical phenomena. Furthermore, the formal study of paleontology had only started in the early 19th century. It is within this scientifically primitive but changing environment that theories on the origin of petroleum originated.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin

Just think, if you were an environmental scientist making less then 40k a year. How many millions of dollars will it take for you to change a few numbers in your research to support the warming scam.

Oil companies have more money to give you if you support their theory that climate change isn't happening and we should all be happy and buy more oil.

i'm glad you asked!
read carefully
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algae_fuel
they use lands that are not suitable for agriculture!

Algae fuels will be an alternative in the future, not now. There is much research going into efficient production methods for large scale production, but unfortunately you can't buy algae based gasoline at the pump just yet.

 

[Quiksilver]

Yes, I believe since 'peak oil' and energy reserves has entered the political arena and is shaping policy, that perhaps oil cartels should be a little more forthcoming with the true supply. There may be a little artificial scarcity happening, and we'd never know due to corporate secrecy.

We may have enough accessible oil for the next 5,000 years at current growth rates, or we may hit a sharp decline in supply within the next decade ... The average joe, me included, is very much in the dark as to how much accessible oil there really is down there.

Abiotic oil? Who knows ... It is certainly strange that we are finding oil in places where no organisms have been in billions of years.

BBbardot, of course it would be wise to seek alternate forms of energy that aren't based on using up finite resources. I have no issue with that and welcome any breakthroughs and advancements in alternative energies, however I do defend our use of hydrocarbons until such time that alternatives are economically viable, and do not deviate from this belief because a group of 12 climatologists using one faulty climate model to predict we're going to cause 7 degrees of temperature rise over the next 89 years because of our use of oil.

Add to that the subsequent 'solution' that their colleagues propose, being a tax on carbon not to make alternative energies more competitive, but to drag down the competitiveness of carbon through taxation.

These same green-junkies say we should curtail our use back to 5-10% of current usage, when I sincerely doubt they understand the consequences of that. That is taking us back to the 1600s overnight, until of course alternative energy becomes viable.

So no, wind/solar/algae are great, but ... well ...

When a monkey lets go of one branch before it has a hold on the other, what happens?

 

[BBbardot]

It might be a viable alternative in 5-10 years, but it isn't right now. There is a lot of good work underway both by the US government ( DARPA), and private enterprises such as Synthetic Genomics to make this happen. Even though my algae company didn't work out, I still believe in it. But lets be real and understand that there are a myriad of issues that need to be addressed before its viable on a large scale.

To say that I am not interested , and don't want a solution would just be a lie. Thats not true. However, I have done enough leg work to know that a solution will be policy driven, which I don't see the US doing as a top priority. That part of me has indeed given up while petrol and shale gas is currently so abundant.

Abiotic Oil is made deep within the earth, not from fossils. Oil is constantly replenishing deep wells at 30,000 feet where no organic matter exists.

Some are suggesting hetrotrophic (using sugars instead of sunlight) in the absence of sunlight could work too. While they might not be the same, the BTU content of algae oil is actually higher and cleaner burning than regular petrol...which is good!

well let me tell you...I know poeple inside major energy companies in the world and inside a new energy company in particuliar. It's ready within 2 years. Things are going to start speeding pretty far at this point. Don't be the kind of guy that say "we are not ready for this kind of technology, maybe in 20 years." were there is actually no reason for saying that. Many of them are ready.

they already have uge contracts with governements and companies to build plastic and stuff

 

[BBbardot]

That's a theory that hasn't been proven plausible. (too little evidence)

Also keep in mind that it's a theory formulated before the creation of organic chemistry.



https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin




Oil companies have more money to give you if you support their theory that climate change isn't happening and we should all be happy and buy more oil.



Algae fuels will be an alternative in the future, not now. There is much research going into efficient production methods for large scale production, but unfortunately you can't buy algae based gasoline at the pump just yet.

"the future" it's because poeple like you delay things in their head cause they are scared of change that things go slower than it should.

thats why in the us, You will only be keen on using the alternative that are already almost ready when oil wil have became too scarse and expensive. Thats what fossil oil interests want.
they tell you it's a part of your culture like gun.^^

and america represent the biggest consumption not because you're large, but because you consume it like pigs srs. Since it's so unexpensive compare to here. It's like wolrd word got the point but you won't...Well actually inside poeple ( industry poeple, politicians) did, luckly. But the average american didn't.

 

[BBbardot]

Yes, I believe since 'peak oil' and energy reserves has entered the political arena and is shaping policy, that perhaps oil cartels should be a little more forthcoming with the true supply. There may be a little artificial scarcity happening, and we'd never know due to corporate secrecy.

We may have enough accessible oil for the next 5,000 years at current growth rates, or we may hit a sharp decline in supply within the next decade ... The average joe, me included, is very much in the dark as to how much accessible oil there really is down there.

Abiotic oil? Who knows ... It is certainly strange that we are finding oil in places where no organisms have been in billions of years.

BBbardot, of course it would be wise to seek alternate forms of energy that aren't based on using up finite resources. I have no issue with that and welcome any breakthroughs and advancements in alternative energies, however I do defend our use of hydrocarbons until such time that alternatives are economically viable, and do not deviate from this belief because a group of 12 climatologists using one faulty climate model to predict we're going to cause 7 degrees of temperature rise over the next 89 years because of our use of oil.

Add to that the subsequent 'solution' that their colleagues propose, being a tax on carbon not to make alternative energies more competitive, but to drag down the competitiveness of carbon through taxation.

These same green-junkies say we should curtail our use back to 5-10% of current usage, when I sincerely doubt they understand the consequences of that. That is taking us back to the 1600s overnight, until of course alternative energy becomes viable.

So no, wind/solar/algae are great, but ... well ...

When a monkey lets go of one branch before it has a hold on the other, what happens?

i know ONE very solid viable alternative. I know the guys personaly. I've attended and after meeting dinner between them and the energy board biggest energy company in europe. IT's ready. Financially viable. It's all on the table. And i'm sure it's not the same company in this case.


we have a carbon taxes in europes works perfectly. Poeple don't use their god damn car to go get a milk bottle down the street, that's all. Will fix your obesity problem too^^


for you information ( im not going to talk with marginal costs and stuffs), many alternative energy's if they were to be sold right now all costs included are competitive with oil. since you can grow it yourself it permits you to have a significant control on costs too= which permits you more stable costs anticipation= which save you a lot of money that wouldn't have to keep in reserve to tackle a suddent rise in prices that might occur from a suddent rise in oil prices.

 

[synergy1]

well let me tell you...I know poeple inside major energy companies in the world and inside a new energy company in particuliar. It's ready within 2 years. Things are going to start speeding pretty far at this point. Don't be the kind of guy that say "we are not ready for this kind of technology, maybe in 20 years." were there is actually no reason for saying that. Many of them are ready.

they already have uge contracts with governements and companies to build plastic and stuff

The guys at Synthetic Genomics, Origin oil, Petroalgae, Solazyme, Solix all expressed their reservations at the conference in California in 2010. The CEOs of each company were asked this exact question ,and each had different answers but nothing was concrete. This was in regards to commercial scale biofuel production, not nutracuticals, feedstock or anything like that. I don't say we aren't there for my health, I say it based on what I know about the industry which is probably more than anyone here.

I'd really like the name of the company that is ready for commercial activities within a year. My due diligence came up with approximately 50 companies working on algae solutions and none were near commercial production at the time of research.

 

[Alle_Gory]

"the future" it's because poeple like you delay things in their head cause they are scared of change that things go slower than it should.

I currently study business, I know how these things work (at least on a basic level). A company doesn't just magically pop up overnight with a market ready product.

It takes time, testing and retesting to make sure they can meet production demands. Another issue with biofuels (like algae) is cost. It's WAY more expensive to produce than oil currently, so research is being done into more efficient production methods.

Production isn't free. Algae fuels are made in facilities operated by staff and everything costs money.

 

[BBbardot]

I currently study business, I know how these things work (at least on a basic level). A company doesn't just magically pop up overnight with a market ready product.

It takes time, testing and retesting to make sure they can meet production demands. Another issue with biofuels (like algae) is cost. It's WAY more expensive to produce than oil currently, so research is being done into more efficient production methods.

Production isn't free. Algae fuels are made in facilities operated by staff and everything costs money.

the company didn't pop up over night, it's been going on for 25 years, and skyrocketing the last 6 years.
and when i say they are done= it means that their resersh had for aim to reduce costs and maximise the return. IT's done
97% DONE. ITt's competitive. It's ready ( well withing 2 years they will be ready for mass market)

 

[Rogue]

the company didn't pop up over night, it's been going on for 25 years, and skyrocketing the last 6 years.
and when i say they are done= it means that their resersh had for aim to reduce costs and maximise the return. IT's done
97% DONE. ITt's competitive. It's ready ( well withing 2 years they will be ready for mass market)

What is the name of the company?

Otherwise, you're lying.

 

[The Assistant]

in no way am I trying to limit free speech here, but...

I live in the Northeast, can people PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP about global warning??? We are getting a snowstorm and under 20 degree weather once every 5 days..........the globe is not being fvcking warmed.......Al Gore is rolling in his billions right now due to the idiocy of the "green" movement.

Fvck "going green", what a load of SHYT

 

[JustLurk]

^imao.

And bbardot, that is ridiculous s***. You clearly have no idea just how much America burns through. Here's a good example: to get all our oil needs from corn ethanol, we would have to plant corn EVERYWHERE on the entire continental US. Everywhere. We would have to raze all the cities and put corn. Even on places you CAN'T grow corn. And that may just not be enough. Algae isn't that more efficient. Realize just how much f***ing room these things need to be mass produced before you start talking "alternatives".

 

[Alle_Gory]

in no way am I trying to limit free speech here, but...

I live in the Northeast, can people PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP about global warning??? We are getting a snowstorm and under 20 degree weather once every 5 days..........the globe is not being fvcking warmed.......Al Gore is rolling in his billions right now due to the idiocy of the "green" movement.

It's called GLOBAL climate. That means in some areas it's cold and in some others it's hot. But if you average it out, it should be fine.

The data on global warming shows that it's NOT fine and it has been slowly increasing as a global AVERAGE.


You see the difference between the Northeast United States and the planted as a whole? Hint: The Northeast is not the entire world.

Fvck "going green", what a load of SHYT

There's plenty of advantages to "going green". One of which is local energy production. Unless you want to send all your money to Saudi Arabia for some black goo that comes out of the ground. Or maybe you would like to see more disasters like what happened in the gulf thanks to BP (British Petroleum). I hope you like that "chocolate" covered fish and shrimp on your plate. Delicious!

 

[BBbardot]

who talked about corn oil?
this is bul****..

i talked about algae= not need for fertile land and you don't have to kill the plant to produce the energy annnd cherry on the milshake it's polution free.

^imao.

And bbardot, that is ridiculous s***. You clearly have no idea just how much America burns through. Here's a good example: to get all our oil needs from corn ethanol, we would have to plant corn EVERYWHERE on the entire continental US. Everywhere. We would have to raze all the cities and put corn. Even on places you CAN'T grow corn. And that may just not be enough. Algae isn't that more efficient. Realize just how much f***ing room these things need to be mass produced before you start talking "alternatives".

 

[AAAgent]

who talked about corn oil?
this is bul****..

i talked about algae= not need for fertile land and you don't have to kill the plant to produce the energy annnd cherry on the milshake it's polution free.

How much are they paying you to market this stuff? You should take one of those pictures wearing a shirt/holding up a poster board "Pro Algae Energy! Algae saves Mother Earth!"

you're selling this stuff hard as if its your own product.

 

[BBbardot]

in no way am I trying to limit free speech here, but...

I live in the Northeast, can people PLEASE SHUT THE HELL UP about global warning??? We are getting a snowstorm and under 20 degree weather once every 5 days..........the globe is not being fvcking warmed.......Al Gore is rolling in his billions right now due to the idiocy of the "green" movement.

Fvck "going green", what a load of SHYT

facepalm lol

I mean man, you really need to get informed a litle before steppinginside teh debate. The fact north american and europe are heading to colder wheather is a consequence of global warming. Seriously you really need to learn the basics of the issue. Watch a not too political documentary on the matter, i dn't know. Get out of your dark closet. You're part of this world, learn about it. I mean you don't need to be smart for that, it's basic curiosity!
actually they explain this very phenomena in algore's movie. You should watch it before babling about it

 

[BBbardot]

How much are they paying you to market this stuff? You should take one of those pictures wearing a shirt/holding up a poster board "Pro Algae Energy! Algae saves Mother Earth!"

you're selling this stuff hard as if its your own product.

actually, they don't pay anyone to promote them. Actually companies and governements give them 100 of million to be on their boat.

 

[synergy1]

There's plenty of advantages to "going green". One of which is local energy production. Unless you want to send all your money to Saudi Arabia for some black goo that comes out of the ground. Or maybe you would like to see more disasters like what happened in the gulf thanks to BP (British Petroleum). I hope you like that "chocolate" covered fish and shrimp on your plate. Delicious!

do your research. we import 30% of our oil from OPEC countries. we import 100% of our "green technology" from China. Yet we tout green energy as a way to become free of monopolistic regimes. People talk without even knowing what they are talking about.

As for oil, I invite you to stop using it. Stop using your plastic bottles. stop using your car, your house, your heat, your roads...EVERYTHING. Otherwise, get off the notion that energy will be bereft of consequences becasue its here to stay until WE change our lifestyles. Climate change is a possible symptom. Oil/fuel is a catalyst, Human beings are the root cause. . Which one do we focus on? Which one should we focus on?

(not trying to be mean, just harsh. nothing but love from this corner)

 

[JustLurk]

who talked about corn oil?
this is bul****..

i talked about algae= not need for fertile land and you don't have to kill the plant to produce the energy annnd cherry on the milshake it's polution free.

Yeah, ok. Now where's the proof?

 

[Alle_Gory]

do your research. we import 30% of our oil from OPEC countries. we import 100% of our "green technology" from China. Yet we tout green energy as a way to become free of monopolistic regimes. People talk without even knowing what they are talking about.

That's a trade issue, not an energy independence one. Here's something scary. EVERYTHING IS MADE IN CHINA!!!

I know, right? Be scared of how dominant a position China is in right now. They call the shots because they own the manufacturing business that you guys sold away looking for short term profits but as we have seen, long term losses.

As for oil, I invite you to stop using it. Stop using your plastic bottles. stop using your car, your house, your heat, your roads...EVERYTHING.

You and I both know that's not possible. But if you could grow your own oil in a desert, or power a fusion plant with just water that you can find everywhere (hydrogen fusion), then suddenly you have stopped using oil.

Oil is not the answer, it's been useful so far but we need something better.

the company didn't pop up over night, it's been going on for 25 years, and skyrocketing the last 6 years.
and when i say they are done= it means that their resersh had for aim to reduce costs and maximise the return. IT's done
97% DONE. ITt's competitive. It's ready ( well withing 2 years they will be ready for mass market)

Still waiting for the name of that company...