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What "fact"?Originally posted by semag
these kiddos are actually arguing with fact
skinny scrawny dude, where to start.
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The protein/carb/fat diet is a purely dumb debate. One cannot be had without the other, no matter HOW you cut it.
Without protein shakes, high-protein pundits would be scarfing down eggs, tuna, and tons of meat, upon which ALL the health risk would catch up with you, as anything in excess will inevitably lead to health risks.
On the flip side, excessive carbs and no protein/fat will throw hormones off. While no decline in muscle will occur, no growth would either.
For existence, consuming protein is NOT necessary. It's been done forever. Yet, our ancestors had no desire to BE BIGGER or MORE MUSCULAR. They only sought survival; they never had the luxury of overeating. In more recent generations, meat has become less and less the delicacy and luxury of affluent families that it once was. Prices have fallen since we have mass production and breeding.
So in current times the dillemma becomes, how do we get bigger utilizing the nutrients before us.
Firstly, eat to excess, HEALTHY excess.
That includes protein and carbs and good fats. Nobody grows without forcing it. And fvck counting, just EAT! Start counting when you're actually getting fat. If you're not gaining muscle, I do not think you must worry about FAT just yet.
Secondly, all nutrients are necessary for life and growth; it's a catch 22.
During workouts and throughout the day, carbs provide tasteful meals and necessary nutrients for energy, workouts and to prevent muscular consumption of protein as a viable energy source.
If you're bulking, and go the gym with your muscles jacked full of glycogen, then you'll lift at your max potential every time, which is the goal. Screw all these multiple exercises. Forget kickbacks. And shoulder raises. Lifting more weight = more muscle, that's it.
Muscle is your physical connection from mind to body that enables you to move things in life. If you tell your body to move 500lbs, and your body cannot, then it will not. But you can progressively do it, by feeding and lifting , and eventually get there.
Thirdly Protein is needed.
It's more useful than people realize. A diet of 2700 carb calories isn't very good, and past 6pm, you're not using the energy anymore. HOWEVER, postworkout, your muscle and liver glycogen is SO low, it needs that FIRST. Then pound down the protein. Otherwise the body is seeking the 200-500 calories of carbs you burnt while working out.
A high protein diet would be one above 50% (say 60 or 70). I would say 40% is about right.
If you're eating 3000/day (minimum - prob more), then you'd get 1200 calories of protein, or 300gof protein. The other 50% could be carbs which would be 375g of carbs, and 10% to healthy efa-type fats. That's only a baseline, but fats, good fats are needed, bad, fats are not.
So it's not really HIGH when you consider you're eating MORE calories. If you drop your calories to 2000, and eat 300g+, then 1200 calories = 60%, that's pushing high protein.
We must build from the GROUND up. How? Because, consider during lifting HOW many carbs you burn, and then throughout the day what you burn (we don't know exact numbers), and also that we want our protein IN the muscle cells, that we can't SKEW the nutrient ratio too much. Fats must be included to regulate hormones and also help with recovery and cell construction.
The BIGGEST mistake most guys make is not eating enough and counting calories like it matters. MOST guys getting big, don't do it on puny chicken meals. Even guys in the EAS contests BULK quite a bit. I've seen/met them, though, it's amazing what a picture, some cutting, and lotion/tanning can do. Sure if you want to be CUT 150-180lbs, it's easy. Diet down for 16 weeks, bing you're done.
But guys who pack on muscle take years, so why wait? Get started down. Chug protein and good carbs and get at it.
Juice as anybody attests to ups the protein assimilation, so you're body is working faster to recover, ignoring pain, etc. But you still must eat and train hard, it just shortens recovery from 5-7 days to like 1 or 2. So if you're working out more, you're growing more, so long as you're eating enough. Most guys only lift 1 bodypart once per week, which is why there's no growth. Growth is growth. No matter if you max out once per week, or 2x per 7 days. There's only full intensity, and if you're recovering, then maxing again, you're growing. That's it.
A-Unit
The protein/carb/fat diet is a purely dumb debate. One cannot be had without the other, no matter HOW you cut it.
Without protein shakes, high-protein pundits would be scarfing down eggs, tuna, and tons of meat, upon which ALL the health risk would catch up with you, as anything in excess will inevitably lead to health risks.
On the flip side, excessive carbs and no protein/fat will throw hormones off. While no decline in muscle will occur, no growth would either.
For existence, consuming protein is NOT necessary. It's been done forever. Yet, our ancestors had no desire to BE BIGGER or MORE MUSCULAR. They only sought survival; they never had the luxury of overeating. In more recent generations, meat has become less and less the delicacy and luxury of affluent families that it once was. Prices have fallen since we have mass production and breeding.
So in current times the dillemma becomes, how do we get bigger utilizing the nutrients before us.
Firstly, eat to excess, HEALTHY excess.
That includes protein and carbs and good fats. Nobody grows without forcing it. And fvck counting, just EAT! Start counting when you're actually getting fat. If you're not gaining muscle, I do not think you must worry about FAT just yet.
Secondly, all nutrients are necessary for life and growth; it's a catch 22.
During workouts and throughout the day, carbs provide tasteful meals and necessary nutrients for energy, workouts and to prevent muscular consumption of protein as a viable energy source.
If you're bulking, and go the gym with your muscles jacked full of glycogen, then you'll lift at your max potential every time, which is the goal. Screw all these multiple exercises. Forget kickbacks. And shoulder raises. Lifting more weight = more muscle, that's it.
Muscle is your physical connection from mind to body that enables you to move things in life. If you tell your body to move 500lbs, and your body cannot, then it will not. But you can progressively do it, by feeding and lifting , and eventually get there.
Thirdly Protein is needed.
It's more useful than people realize. A diet of 2700 carb calories isn't very good, and past 6pm, you're not using the energy anymore. HOWEVER, postworkout, your muscle and liver glycogen is SO low, it needs that FIRST. Then pound down the protein. Otherwise the body is seeking the 200-500 calories of carbs you burnt while working out.
A high protein diet would be one above 50% (say 60 or 70). I would say 40% is about right.
If you're eating 3000/day (minimum - prob more), then you'd get 1200 calories of protein, or 300gof protein. The other 50% could be carbs which would be 375g of carbs, and 10% to healthy efa-type fats. That's only a baseline, but fats, good fats are needed, bad, fats are not.
So it's not really HIGH when you consider you're eating MORE calories. If you drop your calories to 2000, and eat 300g+, then 1200 calories = 60%, that's pushing high protein.
We must build from the GROUND up. How? Because, consider during lifting HOW many carbs you burn, and then throughout the day what you burn (we don't know exact numbers), and also that we want our protein IN the muscle cells, that we can't SKEW the nutrient ratio too much. Fats must be included to regulate hormones and also help with recovery and cell construction.
The BIGGEST mistake most guys make is not eating enough and counting calories like it matters. MOST guys getting big, don't do it on puny chicken meals. Even guys in the EAS contests BULK quite a bit. I've seen/met them, though, it's amazing what a picture, some cutting, and lotion/tanning can do. Sure if you want to be CUT 150-180lbs, it's easy. Diet down for 16 weeks, bing you're done.
But guys who pack on muscle take years, so why wait? Get started down. Chug protein and good carbs and get at it.
Juice as anybody attests to ups the protein assimilation, so you're body is working faster to recover, ignoring pain, etc. But you still must eat and train hard, it just shortens recovery from 5-7 days to like 1 or 2. So if you're working out more, you're growing more, so long as you're eating enough. Most guys only lift 1 bodypart once per week, which is why there's no growth. Growth is growth. No matter if you max out once per week, or 2x per 7 days. There's only full intensity, and if you're recovering, then maxing again, you're growing. That's it.
A-Unit