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I was wondering if you exfoliating DJs out there have any tips for keeping a smooth and healthy complexion. I'm not talking about acne, just general facial care. Because whether you realize it or not, your face is going to get judged more than your body (except at the beach). Good shaving techniques welcomed too.
 

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Take a shower, don't use soap on your face, use an exfoliator 2 - 4 times per week, use a facial cleanser that matches your skin type, when out of the shower: shave(with the grain ie.downwards), use a toner that matches your skin type, apply a moisturizer. Moisturize at least twice per day. Drink lots of water, keep hair off your face, don't touch your face.

A good moisturizer is jojoba oil.

If you have acne, either hit up a dermo or see the Acne thread on this forum..

Get a light tan, enough that blemishes can blend in and not stand out.

That's really all you need to know, and is why it's not discussed much here. It's very hard to cookie-cutter everyone to one standard for skin care, so you'll just have to experiment depending on your conditions.
 

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I think diet is a hugely underrated when it comes to skin care. Everyone is concerned about fancy moisturizers, etc, but not that many people take adequate amounts of EFAs, antioxidants or eat enough fruits/veges.

Ya you gotta moisturize and stay clean, etc, but I think diet is critical also. Here's what I recommend daily:

- 3-4 g of EPA/DHA (from fish oil caps).
- 1-2 servings of Udos.
- Multi-Vitamin (not a crappy one!)
- Antioxidant formula (there's lots of em out there).
- Eat lotsa fruits and veges, especially brightly colored ones for their anti-oxidants.

I was pretty surprised how I didn't have to do any touch ups for my skin for my most recent photoshoot. I'd post pictures, but wouldn't wanna turn you guys on... :D
 

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Here is what I do...

I use a carrier (like a noxema product) which are the ones that are the paste like deals. Get the non fragrance one, and if you can, just get a carrier as glycerin or something to use as a paste type deal.

I then use organic sugar and green and white tea powder as the exfoliator.

I basically dump a tsp or so of each powder in a small tube that has a cap on it, then add the sugar.

I pour some of the powder on the carrier item and then exfoliate.

One thing to remember is that sugar has a less chance of tearing the skin. It is much smoother than ground up almond shells, or the like. Those can be too rough for some and do more harm then good. Nice then about the sugar is the whole make-up of sugar and then it pretty much dissolves in a bit. Then you dont have to worry about small little bits of shell that you may have not got off your face.

I also apply a facial moisturizer type deal that I get at the health food store and its a water based formula so you dont look all oily. I also add green and white tea powder in there as well. Mine contains .8% salicylic acid too to prevent pimples if they want to arise. And I SWEAR by green tea and white tea as far as clearing up anything like that too. If I get one and I keep the green and white tea on the face as well as take it, it seems to be gone so much quicker.

Anyway just some things I do.

And dont forget to take your EFAs too :)
 

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Get a light tan, enough that blemishes can blend in and not stand out.
Any amount of tanning is about as far from "skin care" as you can get.

A couple really good things to use are emu oil and a CoQ10 cream.
 

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How can you feel justified to say that? There's plenty of guys in the world that have very fair skin, and even the slightest blemish will show up and ruin their skin tone.

I'm not talking about tanning 5 times a week for 12 months... I'm talking about putting little color on your cheeks.
 

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Any amount of tanning that is enough to change your skin tone is BAD FOR YOUR SKIN. Whether it raises your chance of getting melanoma or gives you skin damage and makes your face leathery years down the road, the one and only benefit is temporarily darker skin.

And yeah, for many guys with lighter skin, it does take that much tanning to get dark enough to cover up blemishes.
 

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Master Bates and I are very much in agreement. Tanning is Bad for your skin! 80% of visable signs of aging is due to photoaging (UV exposure). Tanning Beds are the worst as they emit extreme amounts of UVA.

Fancy creams are fine but sunblock is more critical. Now you have age 40+ wealthy women paying 50 bucks for 50 mls of European sunblock to retard any further sun damage in NYC and LA.

A good daily moisturizer with both UVB (burning) and UVA (aging) protection is must. Much UV exposure occurs when we just living like when are driving (auto glass blocks UVB, but not UVA), doing errands, etc. UVA is constant from dusk to dawn, while UVB levels are highest in the summer and from 10-4 pm. Prehaps the best in the USA is La Roche Posay spf15 daily moisturizer with mexory sx (SPF 15 / UVA15), pricy at $29 for 3.4 ozs. Anther good option is cetaphil spf 15 (UVA 8) ~9-12 bucks for 4oz.

It important to start young to prevent photoaging and potential skin cancer development (as Master Bates already mentioned).

When your at the beach or working out use something like neutrogena spf55 (UVA 15+). Europe and Canadian has much more stable and UVA protective sunscreens than in the USA.

fyi: A basic technique in Molecular Biology actually use a UV light to visualize DNA in a agarose or PAGE gel...so UV light does excite and damage DNA, and if we expose the DNA to the UV light for too long the DNA molecule itself becames 'nicked' making it worthless for further manipulation.

RD
 

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I'd rather have nice skin now and reap the benefits and have MINIMAL skin damage when I'm older, than worry about a little sun exposure.

Good god... Skin cancer from getting a light tan? Please.

Sorry, I just can't take your opinions seriously.
 

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BluEyes said:
I'd rather have nice skin now and reap the benefits and have MINIMAL skin damage when I'm older, than worry about a little sun exposure.

Good god... Skin cancer from getting a light tan? Please.

Sorry, I just can't take your opinions seriously.
You're pretty damn naive. How much UV exposure do you think it takes to change your skin tone and maintain that? More than enough for many people to damage their skin later on down the road and risk skin cancer. Play ignorant all you want, though, and enjoy "reaping the benefits" when you're older.
 

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Humans have been living naked in the shrubs for millions of years, spending many hours a day in direct sunlight. Two thousand years of loincloths and hoodies isn't going to reverse our natural protection from UVA rays. The simple fact is most kids(and adults now too) now spend hours on playstation, world of warcraft, and watching the O.C. instead of out in the sun playing footie with their mates.

I think we are not on the same page. I am not talking about hanging out on the beach for 10 hours a day, burning and reburning your skin, I'm talking about simply exposing your skin to the sun. Which technically IS damage to your skin, but as long as you don't overdo it and listen to your body, it can only be HEALTHY.

Let's not start a flame war here. I am expressing my opinion, you are expressing yours.

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It seems in your argument that you're saying that every time you go out in the sun you should wear sunblock or something...

Tan

You call that unhealthy?
 

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BluEyes said:
Humans have been living naked in the shrubs for millions of years, spending many hours a day in direct sunlight. Two thousand years of loincloths and hoodies isn't going to reverse our natural protection from UVA rays. The simple fact is most kids(and adults now too) now spend hours on playstation, world of warcraft, and watching the O.C. instead of out in the sun playing footie with their mates.

I think we are not on the same page. I am not talking about hanging out on the beach for 10 hours a day, burning and reburning your skin, I'm talking about simply exposing your skin to the sun. Which technically IS damage to your skin, but as long as you don't overdo it and listen to your body, it can only be HEALTHY.

Let's not start a flame war here. I am expressing my opinion, you are expressing yours.

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It seems in your argument that you're saying that every time you go out in the sun you should wear sunblock or something...

Tan

You call that unhealthy?

Master Bates is Very Correct...

Blue Eyes, I believe your passionate response has very little factual information to defend your position.

Average longevity started to increase around the year 1900 ~ mid 40s with advances in sanitation, antimicrobials, and medicine. Prior to 1900 most people lived from 20-35, with most individuals died from infectous disease. So how can you say that what is programed in our genome over the past 100,000 years confers us protection from long term exposure to UVA rays. It is not. We were dead before the skin cancer got us, in the Western World Avg. life expectancy is in the mid-70s. 100 years is snapshot in evolutionary terms. This is especially the case of individuals who are of Northern Latitude descent with fair skin and eyes, darker pigment skin that arose as adaption to equatoral region confirms a 'natural spf of ~15.'

Stated by Wiki in simple terms:

"Dark skin protects against those skin cancers that are caused by mutations in skin cells induced by ultraviolet light. Light-skinned persons have about a tenfold greater risk of dying from skin cancer under equal sun conditions. Furthermore, dark skin prevents UV-A radiation from destroying the essential B vitamin folate. Folate is needed for the synthesis of DNA in dividing cells and too low levels of folate in pregnant women are associated with birth defects.
While dark skin protects vitamin B, it can lead to a vitamin D deficiency. The advantage of light skin is that it does not block sunlight as effectively, leading to increased production of vitamin D3, necessary for calcium absorption and bone growth.

The evolution of the different skin tones is thought to have occurred as follows:the haired ancestors of humans, like modern great apes, had light skin under their hair. Once the hair was lost, they evolved dark skin, needed to prevent low folate levels since they lived in sun-rich Africa. (The skin cancer connection is probably of secondary importance, since skin cancer usually kills only after the reproductive age and therefore does not exert much evolutionary pressure.) When humans migrated to less sun-intensive regions in the north, low vitamin D3 levels became a problem and light skin color re-emerged."

(source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_color)



What is interesting the current social value of the 'TAN' suggests someone who is affluent and has the ability to fly to tropic locations. This is in contrast that at the turn of the century, those who were very Dark were field workers and other of lower social status. The concept of that the tan is healthy is social convention that arose in the Jet set age (say 1950's).

Clarification: most sun damage DOES NOT OCCUR a with single 10 hours exposure at the beach, but much more significant is the cumulative exposure we receive just doing daily activities...those 1-10 minute mini-exposures add up over days, weeks, months, years. If you commute by car side window auto glass does not protect against UVA rays. Think about long 1-3 hour commute many individuals do daily...so the UVA exposure is about 1-4 hours per day.

We (Master Bates and myself) were just suggesting that people use daily sun protection as part of their normal routine to retard aging and protect against skin cancers. Nothing more.

When I'm 50 I rather look 10 years younger than my chronological age, but that is just my opinion.

RD
 

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Good god, someone needs to get laid..



And I can see the adage "Get out of the house" has its complications for you. :)
 

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It's all good. LOL
 

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My FB has this lotion and it makes her look like she's always tanned. I'll find out what it's called, by Neutrogena. But yes exfoliate (I have a scrub), fish oil and water will make your skin glow.
 

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is it actually a scrub or is it just some paste you rub over your face/body? i cant seem to find the actual scrub thingy! nor have i really heard of one. pics/names?
 

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Neutrogena Build A Tan Gradual Sunless Tanning Lotion

It has Dihydroxyacetone (DHA). Much better than a sunlight or tanning salon tan.

Good point , Heart Break Kid, Fish oil is excellent for skin too.
 
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