Sketchy Situation w/ GF..Advice Needed

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SoCalMike said:
I just noticed this part. Dude, what's the problem then? Dump her now and save yourself the headache.
We all know his quote (workerouter's) about dating other girls was complete and total bullcheet. That's typical of the posters in here to type that, so we won't tell them to spin more plates, basically to see if they can find some glimmer of one itis AFC hope when there really isn't any.
 

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Again, thanks for all the advice, despite it being very different.

In terms of dumping her, I'm still waiting to see how the situation plays out, and the ultimate reason for this is because I do trust this girl's character.

If this feeling of sketchiness persists, I'll have no choice but to rid myself of the nonsense.

Many of you guys clearly say to dump her now. I don't think that's the wisest choice. She is not "cheating" on me, at least as I see it. Honestly, if she really wanted to cheat on me, she could. I'm not the type of guy who attempts to stifle her social life in order to block any potential opportunities to cheat. She has friends outside me who she sees. They've been with her before me. They'll be there after me.

But again, let me reiterate the point that this doesn't imply I'll take any bullsh*t. If I sense the situation has gone too far, I will immediately take action. If that means dumping her, so be it.

Speedo, I actually do have two other girls on the side right now. I'm not keeping my gf around because I'm desperate for p*ssy. I'm keeping her around because I like her.
 

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Another question though. Should I go ahead and talk to her about hanging out with this guy? I really don't like her hanging around this guy, but she's been doing it before we were even going out.

Also, despite me being the better man here, I'm also wondering if it's even worth the headache at this point in my life. I'm really trying to focus in school (university, trying to graduate by 20) right now, and am considering to heed my father's advice of "staying away from these b*tches for now" in order to prevent cluttering my mind with drama bullsh*t.

I'm saying this because the whole situation really has been cluttering my mind the past day or so. I don't want it to pull attention away from other aspects of my life.
 

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I don't know if this applies to you or not, but I was in similar situation and perhaps reading the replies of other people might help and how I dealt with situation. Also just seeing another perspective what happened to me might somehow give you a new view on this.

Hope this might help:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=96079
 

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Bourne said:
I don't know if this applies to you or not, but I was in similar situation and perhaps reading the replies of other people might help and how I dealt with situation. Also just seeing another perspective what happened to me might somehow give you a new view on this.

Hope this might help:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=96079
She's hung out with this guy one on one before. In fact, she was hanging out with him occasionally before we even started going out. She told me this. She also mentioned how nothing ever came of it, how they're just friends, and how he knows not to cross any boundaries.

Her choice to hang out with this guy is ultimately her decision. How I decide to react to it is within my power, but I don't want to do so in a way that compromises my own self-worth and security.

I was considering expressing how I really don't like her hanging out with this guy, but I felt that would raise her to consider me rather insecure.
 

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WORKEROUTER said:
Another question though. Should I go ahead and talk to her about hanging out with this guy? I really don't like her hanging around this guy, but she's been doing it before we were even going out.

Also, despite me being the better man here, I'm also wondering if it's even worth the headache at this point in my life. I'm really trying to focus in school (university, trying to graduate by 20) right now, and am considering to heed my father's advice of "staying away from these b*tches for now" in order to prevent cluttering my mind with drama bullsh*t.

I'm saying this because the whole situation really has been cluttering my mind the past day or so. I don't want it to pull attention away from other aspects of my life.
I didn't realize he was her friend before you and her got together and that this isn't new behavior for her...that she always hung out with him even when she was single.

It might actually be that he isn't after her at all...or that if he is he has no chance with her anyhow. If she were attracted to him and they have been hanging out for quite some time...something would have already happened between them.

I don't think you have anything to worry about. That being said...perhaps the real issue here is that it's bugging you that she's going to bars with her friends and you can't go yet...and are feeling kinda left out. If that's the case moreso than the guy friend...tell her it kinda sucks that she's off going to bars when you can't go and you'd like to have fun too. Then suggest having a get together at your place...then you can also get a better idea of whether or not this male friend is after her. As a guy you'll be able to tell.
 

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Your girlfriend's "friend" is using other people to get to her. ex: bringing people along to her place.

I think your "gf's friend" likes the bar scene as he knows that you won't be there since you're under 21.

Tell her how you feel and if she cares for you and respects you, she will listen.
 

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WORKEROUTER said:
Her choice to hang out with this guy is ultimately her decision. How I decide to react to it is within my power, but I don't want to do so in a way that compromises my own self-worth and security.

I was considering expressing how I really don't like her hanging out with this guy, but I felt that would raise her to consider me rather insecure.
You still don't sound like you understand taking action for yourself because of yourself. When you choose to act, I have to stress that you should do so without any expectations from her. Whether it compromises your self-worth or security with her should never be your priority because to allow it to be so will only lead you to more confusion. To do so is allowing the end to dictate the means. React in a way that demonstrates who you really are. If you know yourself well, you will be comfortable with you actions. When you don't know yourself, that's when you start doubting and wondering what the best reaction is.

If you want to express about your displeasure about her hanging with this guy, I encourage you to think about the reasons behind your displeasure first. It is always good to understand your feelings before expressing it, only so that you won't be cornered if someone decides to call you out on it.

Ask yourself this.
If you don't like her hanging out with this guy because you're pretty sure he's trying to get into her pants, who's assumption about this guy's intentions is more accurate? Your girl's our yours?
You'll probably say it's yours. Now. Your girl has known this guy way longer than you have and she's talked and hung out with him more than you. Who will therefore have a better understanding of this guy's personality, character and behaviour? You or your girl?
If you believe that guys understand guys better, and girls are totally clueless as to all men's intentions, I will then ask you this. Do you think that you can convince your girl that she should believe what you say about her friend? Do you, for a second, believe that she would erase all those years of friendship with this guy and replace it with your assumptions about him in a blink of an eye?
So what is it that you want now? You want her to see what you see. You want her to look at this guy with disgust, as you do. You want her to sever her ties with him. You want her to treat this guy the way you would treat him.

Look here man. If I was your girl, and you expressed your displeasure to me, I would call you out on it big time. You will definitely be pushed into a corner and you will never be able to get out of that corner. I know that the manner in which you come to conclude your displeasure for this guy is bullshyt. I know what you want from your girl is bullshyt. I know that if she gives in to you, she's bullshytting you. How the hell do you expect another human being to treat other human beings the way you would treat them? Add the fact that they know this other person longer and better than you and you think you know what's the best way of handling this person.

Here's the honest truth man. You do not know how unreasonable your feelings are because you've not thought about them thoroughly yet. I will admit that I've also felt certain unreasonable feelings before. But I try my best never to let myself act on them. And if I do and come to realize my mistake, I will always apologize if given the opportunity. I do know that once a mistake is made, there's no turning back. Things could be gone for good. Apologizing is for myself because I want to. It is so that I will feel better about myself. Better that I'm willing to admit my flaws because that's the first step to improving one's self.
 

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I wish i had seen this thread before today....

I was chillin w/ my girl and I had to go to work so I asked her whats he was doing, she told me she was hanging out with this guy friend(hes been tryign to hang out with ehr for some time)...I told her I'd rather her not do it and she got upset and left, later she came back and I told her I was over it.....well I really couldnt supress my feeings for too long, I felt betrayed that she would spend time with another guy so I told her that it made me upset and she flipped out and told me that if i dont trust her then this isnt gonna work....so In the end for expressing my feelings I almost got dumped....wtf?

She told me she didnt want to be controlled and that if I said it in a nicer manner she would think about it and not do something I dont want her to do...

How do you nicely say "I dont want you to hang out with another guy by yourself"????
 

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Sp1kez said:
How do you nicely say "I dont want you to hang out with another guy by yourself"????
You don't say it to your girl. Telling her is one of the worst ways to get her to follow.

Ponder over this sentence. It may sound harsh, but the idea behind this sentence is what a person will take with them after you've said it to them.

"I've told you. Now you should obey. If you don't, I'm gonna be pissed."

Anyone with a sense of independence and a love for freedom will object to being told what to do. I'm sure you would to. So the expectation that telling her will result in her obeying you is one that you shouldn't wager on. Thus, telling her will only result in you getting farther away from your objective. So, why even bother?

You don't tell her. You influence her. You make it so that she will not leave you for him. Her going out with some other dude alone is something beyond your control. You can't stop that if she wants to do it. It's not even a bad thing. The devastating bit about the whole thing is that she might drop you for that other guy. And that is what you should be focused on preventing. She will have and should have the opportunity to have a look-see at all those other guys that come into her life. You've got to be that guy that she continuously chooses over all the rest.

But there's one other thing you must do. And that is to not fear the prospect of her choosing someone else over you. Rid yourself of that fear and you'll be so much happier being with your girl. Cause if you really think about it, it's the fear that people have that makes them miserable and do stupid things when trying to maintain a relationship.
 

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JonJack said:
But there's one other thing you must do. And that is to not fear the prospect of her choosing someone else over you. Rid yourself of that fear and you'll be so much happier being with your girl. Cause if you really think about it, it's the fear that people have that makes them miserable and do stupid things when trying to maintain a relationship.
But how does one actually achieve ridding themselves of such a fear?
 

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But how does one actually achieve ridding themselves of such a fear?
Good question.

Sometimes it's extremely difficult to do so. Take for example a person that fears flying. Just being on a plane causes them great grief and anxiety. One method of alleviating this fear is to gradually show them that flying isn't all that bad and that they can actually tolerate it.

To not fear something, you have to be able to tolerate it happening to you. To not fear being homeless, you've got to tolerate it if you were. To not fear your girl cheating on you, you've got to be able to tolerate it if she does. To not fear a break up, you've got to be able to tolerate being single again. If you can enjoy yourself instead of just tolerating it, it'll be even better.
 

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JonJack said:
Good question.

Sometimes it's extremely difficult to do so. Take for example a person that fears flying. Just being on a plane causes them great grief and anxiety. One method of alleviating this fear is to gradually show them that flying isn't all that bad and that they can actually tolerate it.

To not fear something, you have to be able to tolerate it happening to you. To not fear being homeless, you've got to tolerate it if you were. To not fear your girl cheating on you, you've got to be able to tolerate it if she does. To not fear a break up, you've got to be able to tolerate being single again. If you can enjoy yourself instead of just tolerating it, it'll be even better.
So are you saying one should force it upon themselves and play it out? How can one be sure they can tolerate or enjoy it unless it has already happening?

In other words, what would you reccomend for us, the guys who are in a relationship now?
 

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WORKEROUTER said:
So are you saying one should force it upon themselves and play it out? How can one be sure they can tolerate or enjoy it unless it has already happening?

In other words, what would you reccomend for us, the guys who are in a relationship now?
You don't have to play it out. You just don't go all out to prevent it from happening. A person that fears going to prison will do all they can to evade capture. A person that has no fear, goes about nonchalantly doing their own thing, and if the cops get a hold of him, he doesn't resist. But if they don't catch him, he's not really bothered and he continues going about nonchalantly. The action shows that he's not afraid of the outcome even if the outcome hasn't played itself out yet. You don't have to experience it to know if you can handle it. You just know that you're strong enough to face it. Like anything the situation throws at you won't phase you.

When you're in a relationship, the first thing to note is that it may turn out bad. Remind yourself this. It may turn out bad, it may turn out bad. But you will do your best to make it work anyway. Even if your best isn't enough, you will do it anyway because you'd rather try than give up. In other words, you're trying to make it work for yourself really. Because you want to try to make the relationship succeed.

Let's say something sh1tty happens. Something most guys on this board would have experienced, cause that's the reason they found this place. You try you best and the girl sleeps with your best buddy. Now, this moment is where you will truly know if you were trying or you were expecting. If you expected, you will feel betrayed, used and angry. If you tried, you will feel sad that your best just wasn't enough with this girl. It was never meant to be because you've already tried your best and it still failed. Nothing more you can do really other than look for some other girl that your best will succeed on.

It's tough really, but if you can reflect on a bad situation and actually understand that she's just not the one for you and that it isn't her fault because it's never a person's fault for not being the girl of your dreams, you would be a lot more relaxed in your relationships.

The current girl you're with should always be the right one in your eyes. There's nothing much wrong with her and anything else about her that bugs you is tolerable. If anything about her starts causing you grief, I bet she's not the right one for you then. But how you conclude that it's causing you grief has to be based on your desires instead of you fears.

To differentiate desires from fears, all you have to look at is how you would respond. If faithfulness is a desire, if your girl cheats on you, you would dump her and look for another girl without feeling much hatred. Remember, she just wasn't right for you. If faithfulness is a fear, if your girl cheats on you, you would be devastated, you will feel betrayed, you want to know why, you want to know how could she and all that shyt. You basically can't or don't believe this is happening to you.

So, the important question to ask yourself now is this. If you girl cheats on you, how would you react/respond? Then ask yourself whether your response is based on fear or desire. Once you can admit to yourself that you're bound by fear, it's up to you to decide whether to do something about it.
 

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"Let's say something sh1tty happens. Something most guys on this board would have experienced, cause that's the reason they found this place. You try you best and the girl sleeps with your best buddy. Now, this moment is where you will truly know if you were trying or you were expecting. If you expected, you will feel betrayed, used and angry. If you tried, you will feel sad that your best just wasn't enough with this girl. It was never meant to be because you've already tried your best and it still failed. Nothing more you can do really other than look for some other girl that your best will succeed on."

I think you're right on with what you've said here. I often fall into the trap of overanalyzing things when I become more involved with a certain girl.

I realize it's because of my own follies. What you are saying is right on.

From now on, I am no longer going to worry of think of it, out of fear, about her cheating on me, losing interest, etc, etc. I'm going to try and always simply go with the flow, all the while trying to be the best I can be. If something happens, then I will still know that I was in the best of my control, and will be better able to move on.

It feels better already. I'll let you know how things play out.
 

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WORKEROUTER said:
From now on, I am no longer going to worry of think of it, out of fear, about her cheating on me, losing interest, etc, etc. I'm going to try and always simply go with the flow, all the while trying to be the best I can be. If something happens, then I will still know that I was in the best of my control, and will be better able to move on.

It feels better already. I'll let you know how things play out.
I comend you for attempting to approach relationships from a different perspective. Go out and pick up girls to determine if you've managed to internalise it all. Then reflect on your new experiences, your behaviour and your feelings. Always question yourself, because we are not perfect and we have so much more to understand, learn and improve.

Do keep me posted though. I am really interested to know if changing this sort of thought pattern is as easy as listening to someone talk about it and then just practicing it.

It's good that you feel better. Always move in that direction.
 
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