Single Mothers Flake Like Crazy!

[SW15]

As a childless man, I couldn't deal with the single mother's schedule. I have never had any interest in dealing with raising kids that were her biological kids and not mine. Single moms are a no go for me.

 

[SW15]

The biggest issue, in my opinion, is that these men lack in regards to social skills, they have no other interests and really don't bring all that much to the table. For instance, there is one guy that I know who is very fit and muscular, average height and decent looking but has no money, no car, and at one point was a bouncer......so basically he was/is what people think of when the word "gym bro" or "meathead" comes to their mind. Let's say you get a guy like this, who has a nice body, and he goes out with a woman.....what the hell is he going to talk to her about? When she tries to get to know him she's going to find out that all he has is a gym body and that he literally brings next to nothing else to the table. I don't care what people say on here, a guy like that is going to be seen as a very unattractive dating prospect.

How much does that happen? If he can slam her vag well and she has good orgasms, the other stuff isn't a big deal.

A guy like can just ask a question or a few, touch her body here and there, and then bring her back to his place.

 

[sangheilios]

How much does that happen? If he can slam her vag well and she has good orgasms, the other stuff isn't a big deal.

A guy like can just ask a question or a few, touch her body here and there, and then bring her back to his place.

LOL contrary to what many on here claim I don't think you are going to find many women will behave in such a manner unless the guy is god tier, which is so rare that it's not even worth mentioning. Most of the women that I know who are readily available for sex are generally not very attractive at all, usually really heavy, etc. Last spring when covid was around I had a "match" with this woman from tinder, she was in her early 20s but quite overweight, much more so than the pictures suggested. Anyway, I went to hang out with her and she was ok but I just wasn't into it. She later wanted to hang out and said she wanted me to breed her and have sex without a condom/creampie. I was kind of tempted to go through with it but I opted out, if she was that available and easy what's to say she wasn't doing that with dozens of men and had some stds.

 

[SW15]

LOL contrary to what many on here claim I don't think you are going to find many women will behave in such a manner unless the guy is god tier, which is so rare that it's not even worth mentioning. Most of the women that I know who are readily available for sex are generally not very attractive at all, usually really heavy, etc. Last spring when covid was around I had a "match" with this woman from tinder, she was in her early 20s but quite overweight, much more so than the pictures suggested. Anyway, I went to hang out with her and she was ok but I just wasn't into it. She later wanted to hang out and said she wanted me to breed her and have sex without a condom/creampie. I was kind of tempted to go through with it but I opted out, if she was that available and easy what's to say she wasn't doing that with dozens of men and had some stds.

You did the right thing passing on some overweight woman who was wanting unprotected sex with an internal finish.

More men would want to do that with someone "cute" or "hot". 6+ on their own rating scales.

There are attractive women that are down for unprotected sex with a 6'0"+ fit guy. They usually don't match on Tinder, Bumble, or Hinge. They also aren't as blatant about it.

Since we're talking about single moms, there are single moms around age 40 who have stayed fit and aren't very fertile who will have casual, unprotected sex with fit, younger men. It's a small percentage of single moms. These are usually the single moms that have gotten generous divorce settlements from ex-husbands who would be called betas even if they were high earning men. Jeff Bezos is a high earning beta male. These are upper middle class or higher women. Many have taken care of their own birth control. If they have 2+ kids, they might have gotten their tubes tied or Essure.

You SHOULD try gymmaxxing because you are good with approaches, so it may help you since you are already socially calibrated. If you are not good with approaches then its probably a waste of time.

My social calibration is adequate/slightly above average and not spectacular. I am not a porn or fap guy so that helps. No porn and no fap is a best practice. Those best practices should be combined with gym activity. I need to workout more. The last few months, I am only down to 4 days a week of exercise. From 2011/2012-2020 at some point, 5 days a week was a more typical frequency of exercise. Since I played tennis a lot up until 2019, I had a leaner physique.

I've already touched upon "gymcel"type behavior and how that makes this even worse. Can you imagine being a 30 year old man who can't go out on a date and order an appetizer or share a dessert because it would throw off his diet plan? Guys like this just come across as OCD and that they have no life. Men should have other things going for them besides the gym that they are passionate about; career, other hobbies, friends, travelling, etc.

In your observation, how many women are "gymcel" type? Who are gymcel type women? Are these personal trainers and bikini/physique type competitor women? Hardcore Crossfit women?

Bars/clubs all closed.. It's fukin dead

Non-bar approaching. I mainly became a non-bar approacher in the early 2010s. Bars were still a part of the equation, as I hosted early stage dates there.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

As a childless man, I couldn't deal with the single mother's schedule. I have never had any interest in dealing with raising kids that were her biological kids and not mine. Single moms are a no go for me.

Understandable if you don't have kids. As a guy with kids, I prefer them because we have an innate understanding of how things work when kids arr involved.

 

[SW15]

As a guy with kids, I prefer them because we have an innate understanding of how things work when kids arr involved.

I have no understanding of how things work when kids are involved. I can draw upon my own experience as a child about how things work in households with children, but I have not been under 18 in nearly 2 decades.

I know two men, ages 37 and 38 now. Both have finalized divorced since January 2020. They both have kids. They are both young enough to appeal to 25-35 year old women, many of whom are childless. The 37 year old has 3 kids with his ex-wife and got a vasectomy. Since he can't have more kids, he is unlikely to attract a typical 25-35 year old childless women. Having a vasectomy reduces the potential size of the market for a guy since 20s/30s childless women typically won't have to have anything to do with these guys. At beast, a short casual thing so long as the vasectomy isn't mentioned. He realizes this and is targeting single moms with kids.

The 38 year old has 2 kids, no vasectomy to my knowledge, and hasn't gotten into anything serious. Not sure if he wants more kids. I can't imagine him getting married for a while.

The 37 year old is a supreme beta male biatch.

 

[sangheilios]

You did the right thing passing on some overweight woman who was wanting unprotected sex with an internal finish.

More men would want to do that with someone "cute" or "hot". 6+ on their own rating scales.

There are attractive women that are down for unprotected sex with a 6'0"+ fit guy. They usually don't match on Tinder, Bumble, or Hinge. They also aren't as blatant about it.

Since we're talking about single moms, there are single moms around age 40 who have stayed fit and aren't very fertile who will have casual, unprotected sex with fit, younger men. It's a small percentage of single moms. These are usually the single moms that have gotten generous divorce settlements from ex-husbands who would be called betas even if they were high earning men. Jeff Bezos is a high earning beta male. These are upper middle class or higher women. Many have taken care of their own birth control. If they have 2+ kids, they might have gotten their tubes tied or Essure.



In your observation, how many women are "gymcel" type? Who are gymcel type women? Are these personal trainers and bikini/physique type competitor women? Hardcore Crossfit women?

From my observations, I would never described any female fitness enthusiast as a "gymcel" but I do have some input into this. I'm not going to go into female bodybuilders, powerlifters, etc.....I've long had a feeling that they are lesbian or more masculine types. Most of the women that I see that are at the gym regularly are generally attractive and they attract the interest of many men VERY easily. It's quite apparent today that many of them are addicted to attention, granted not all but it's fairly common. There are girls that I know of who go to the gyms in my area that are what you'd call a "gym thot". You'll see these girls always taking pictures of themselves standing in front of the mirror on the gym floor, it's a little comical to see live haha. The degree to which this varies though, I feel like almost all women, especially attractive ones, dabble in this to some extent but it's the more blatant attention *****s that you should avoid.

For instance, there is one that I know of who would wear ridiculously revealing outfits to the gym. She'd have her stomach shown but she'd wear these super small tops, very short shorts or leggings that were so tight you could see her *****. This girl would naturally lie on more of the extreme side of the spectrum. From my observations, almost all women wear leggings and tops but it's kept to a degree where it looks more sporty, albeit still revealing, but not to the point where it's a clear cry for attention from men.

As for a female gymcel, this is someone I remember from almost 4 years ago that I had spoken to. She was a very hot girl that I had seen there before but she mostly focused on her workout and quickly curbed any men that would approach her or try to talk to her. I actually was able to get her to talk to me but something about her felt off and I decided not to pursue. This woman went to the gym 6 days per week a couple hours at a time, prepped meals and all that, which I know because she told me, but over the couple years I had seen her there and from what I saw on her anti social media she NEVER had a boyfriend that entire time. This was a very attractive latina who easily had one of the best asses I've ever seen in my life.

 

[SW15]

From my observations, I would never described any female fitness enthusiast as a "gymcel" but I do have some input into this. I'm not going to go into female bodybuilders, powerlifters, etc.....I've long had a feeling that they are lesbian or more masculine types. Most of the women that I see that are at the gym regularly are generally attractive and they attract the interest of many men VERY easily. It's quite apparent today that many of them are addicted to attention, granted not all but it's fairly common. There are girls that I know of who go to the gyms in my area that are what you'd call a "gym thot". You'll see these girls always taking pictures of themselves standing in front of the mirror on the gym floor, it's a little comical to see live haha. The degree to which this varies though, I feel like almost all women, especially attractive ones, dabble in this to some extent but it's the more blatant attention *****s that you should avoid.

Some women who compete are more masculine. Some of the bikini competitors still look feminine and are popular with men.

For instance, there is one that I know of who would wear ridiculously revealing outfits to the gym. She'd have her stomach shown but she'd wear these super small tops, very short shorts or leggings that were so tight you could see her *****. This girl would naturally lie on more of the extreme side of the spectrum. From my observations, almost all women wear leggings and tops but it's kept to a degree where it looks more sporty, albeit still revealing, but not to the point where it's a clear cry for attention from men.

The woman you mention likely has quite a following on Instagram. Maybe even one on OnlyFans. I bet she can find sex at the gym.

As for a female gymcel, this is someone I remember from almost 4 years ago that I had spoken to. She was a very hot girl that I had seen there before but she mostly focused on her workout and quickly curbed any men that would approach her or try to talk to her. I actually was able to get her to talk to me but something about her felt off and I decided not to pursue. This woman went to the gym 6 days per week a couple hours at a time, prepped meals and all that, which I know because she told me, but over the couple years I had seen her there and from what I saw on her anti social media she NEVER had a boyfriend that entire time. This was a very attractive latina who easily had one of the best asses I've ever seen in my life.

Holy smokes! I'm surprised that she never had a boyfriend. Was she at least having casual sex? That's a waste of a hot body.

 

[sangheilios]

The woman you mention likely has quite a following on Instagram. Maybe even one on OnlyFans. I bet she can find sex at the gym.



Holy smokes! I'm surprised that she never had a boyfriend. Was she at least having casual sex? That's a waste of a hot body.

That first woman I used to talk to almost 3 years ago, I have posted about here on this forum. When I met her she wasn't that bad with the attention whoring but after I stopped talking to her it appeared to become much worse. She has a few thousand followers on instagram but most hot young women have that if they post on there. I don't know if she had an OnlyFans but shortly after I stopped talking to her I by chance met a guy that knew her and at the time she was working some job at the mall and talked about how a lot of things didn't add up with her. For instance, if she's working a minimum wage type retail job how is she affording all these trips, expensive dinners, jewelry, clothes, etc. I do know she bounced from a different man on the regular and would lead on tons of men at a given time but she was for sure the biggest attention ***** I've ever met in my life.

As for the second girl, yeah I really don't fully understand what her issue was but there was/is a reason why she was single and still is. She was really short, maybe like 4'10", had a pretty face and the most amazing hips and ass ever, tons of men would literally just stop and stare lol. In real life she wasn't a huge attention ***** but like all attractive women she dabbled in it on her social media, just nothing like the woman I mentioned above. I never saw her with a boyfriend or really flirt or act open with another man except for with me, something about her felt off and I avoided her......can't explain but just a gut feeling told me not to talk to her.

 

[SW15]

That first woman I used to talk to almost 3 years ago, I have posted about here on this forum. When I met her she wasn't that bad with the attention whoring but after I stopped talking to her it appeared to become much worse. She has a few thousand followers on instagram but most hot young women have that if they post on there. I don't know if she had an OnlyFans but shortly after I stopped talking to her I by chance met a guy that knew her and at the time she was working some job at the mall and talked about how a lot of things didn't add up with her. For instance, if she's working a minimum wage type retail job how is she affording all these trips, expensive dinners, jewelry, clothes, etc. I do know she bounced from a different man on the regular and would lead on tons of men at a given time but she was for sure the biggest attention ***** I've ever met in my life.

Having a vagina and being in shape = life on easy mode

As for the second girl, yeah I really don't fully understand what her issue was but there was/is a reason why she was single and still is. She was really short, maybe like 4'10", had a pretty face and the most amazing hips and ass ever, tons of men would literally just stop and stare lol. In real life she wasn't a huge attention ***** but like all attractive women she dabbled in it on her social media, just nothing like the woman I mentioned above. I never saw her with a boyfriend or really flirt or act open with another man except for with me, something about her felt off and I avoided her......can't explain but just a gut feeling told me not to talk to her.

I know men that are spam approachers and approach everything. If you're an above average looking man and a spam approacher, you won't go lonely. Quality isn't guaranteed though. It is easier to spam approach in a bar or a swipe app than at a gym.

The height differential between 6'4" and 4'10" is a lot.

 

[sangheilios]

Having a vagina and being in shape = life on easy mode



I know men that are spam approachers and approach everything. If you're an above average looking man and a spam approacher, you won't go lonely. Quality isn't guaranteed though. It is easier to spam approach in a bar or a swipe app than at a gym.

The height differential between 6'4" and 4'10" is a lot.

At the end of the day, that short super hot latina would be on her back, on top or on her hands and knees so it really doesn't matter at all. Most of the women I've met or gone out with in the current area have ranged from 4'9" to average height, the demographic here it's quite common and normal.


Spam approaching at a gym I think is a very bad idea, which is something I've touched upon previously. The primary reason people go to the gym in the first place is to get a workout in, take a fitness class, etc. However, socializing is totally normal, there are plenty of people that I've met at the gym that I've hung out with outside of that environment. Approaching women there and being social with them is also normal but you can't treat an environment like this as you would a club or bar. Something as simple as "will I be in your way if I'm here" when you are exercising near her is a basic and normal question to ask someone but based upon her response you can potentially open her open from there.

I've said this before, I feel gym game can most certainly work but it's important to have some idea as to how to run it. Learn how to spot attention *****s and not fall into the trap of just endlessly "talking" to her and getting no where. If a woman isn't interested in spending time with you outside of the gym, constantly flakes, reschedules, etc. she is not interested and you should cease interacting with her. I feel the major issue is that many women use the gym as a major source of validation from men, again if you learn how to spot this it becomes really easy to be able to avoid creating drama unnecessarily.