Short guys and approaching

[I'm in the Mood]

To fix the height problem: tell her to get down on her knees before you approach her.

I'm 5'8" and while I admire taller people, I don't give a fvck! I'm not going to grow in height anytime soon, if EVER.

Height is a CONVENIENCE attractive trait, as is money and looks, all of the material, surface-level things. In American society we value things that are CONVENIENT. So, instead of really getting to know someone, it's more convenient for women to judge guys based on their initial appearance. The good news is, for those of you who don't like being judged, you can still look good by being well groomed, working out, and radiating self-confidence and love. We do the same to women, judging them on their facial features, having nice soft hair, sexy clothes, nice big boobs and a nice round ass in some skinny jeans, with a skinny waist. Sh!t, let's cut the bullsh!t, women and men are more alike than you might think. Short or tall, you need to develop your life and personality into something incredibly sexy. If you know how to be dominant, you don't need height. Your dominant presence through your behaviors and mannerisms will outshine your shortness. Therefore, she will FEEL as if you were a tall guy!

 

[perseverance]

So much fucking nonsense in this thread about height not mattering. It's all bullshit, of course height is important.

The fact of the matter is, many women are turned off because a guy is short. Many girls will flat out refuse to date a guy who is shorter than her in heals.

Yes there are some girls who don't care about height, but they are still looking for other things.

The only aspect I've seen that can make up for height, is complete confidence in oneself. And that's hard enough to get even without the handicap of being short.

I'm 30 years old, 5'6 and have been rejected by every girl I've ever liked. Don't tell me that height doesn't matter and that it's all my attitude. I don't go up to girls, "Hi, you're not going to like me because I'm short, want to go out anyways?"

You're not wrong, it definitely helps if a guy is tall. Girls look at taller men as being more able to protect them than shorter men. However, as you say there are women who aren't overly bothered by a man's height, so each woman is different.

Maxtro you say it's not your attitude that's the problem, it's women's preferences - you're insecure about your height! Make no mistake about it. You state the reason that every single woman you've liked has rejected you for your height. Have they stated that was the only reason for them rejecting you? Are you sure they weren't interested in someone else more than you? Are you sure their rejection of your advances was solely down to your height? Have they all disclosed this as being the reason for their rejection of you? If not, it is just your insecurity about your height rearing its ugly head.

Being short is only disadvantage if you make it one. People make comments about my height all the time and I just laugh it off. It's great. People make comments like "Perseverance, you have small hands, you know what they say about small hands?" etc. I find it funny, because to me being 5'5, weighing less than a lot of women and having small hands and feet do not bother me one iota.

The truth is everyone gets judged and everyone gets rejected. A man who is 6' 2 but has a lack of confidence and is socially awkward will be less desirable to women in general than a man who is 5'9 and displays confidence and is socially aware and on the ball.

 

[Doctrine Dark]

Many women are attracted to taller men, no doubt.

But this seems to be a bigger deal online than it is offline. I guess when a few guys see countless profiles saying 5'10" or above, it gets to them. I see so many guys less than 5'10" with women all the time.

I often used my height (5'8") as a reason to justify not approaching women, but that was really stupid on my part. Anyway, it's best to not focus on something you can't change. Just do the best with what you have and go from there.

 

[Maxtro]

You're not wrong, it definitely helps if a guy is tall. Girls look at taller men as being more able to protect them than shorter men. However, as you say there are women who aren't overly bothered by a man's height, so each woman is different.

I've seen a few reasons why women want a taller guy. Feeling like he can protect her, making her feel feminine, having tall children etc. Sadly, there isn't any reason at all why a a woman would want a short guy. Being tall is a plus, being short is neutral at best, a dealbreaker at worst.

Maxtro you say it's not your attitude that's the problem, it's women's preferences - you're insecure about your height!

Now how can a woman possibly tell that I'm insecure about my height?

How can she look at me and think, "That guy doesn't like that he's short, he's turns me off."

If any woman calls me short I'd cuss her out, but that has never happened. I've yet to encounter a woman that stupid.

Make no mistake about it. You state the reason that every single woman you've liked has rejected you for your height. Have they stated that was the only reason for them rejecting you? Are you sure they weren't interested in someone else more than you? Are you sure their rejection of your advances was solely down to your height? Have they all disclosed this as being the reason for their rejection of you? If not, it is just your insecurity about your height rearing its ugly head.

Women aren't rejecting me just because I'm short, they are rejecting me because they are not physically attracted to me. There are many criteria that women base attraction on and the girl might not even be fully aware of them herself.

But I will say this, I'm 100% sure that if I were 5'10, which is as tall as my dad, I would have a girlfriend by now. There is no doubt whatsoever.

Being short is only disadvantage if you make it one. People make comments about my height all the time and I just laugh it off. It's great. People make comments like "Perseverance, you have small hands, you know what they say about small hands?" etc. I find it funny, because to me being 5'5, weighing less than a lot of women and having small hands and feet do not bother me one iota.

Please

While it may not bother you, it certainly affects how women see you, whether you believe it or not.

The truth is everyone gets judged and everyone gets rejected. A man who is 6' 2 but has a lack of confidence and is socially awkward will be less desirable to women in general than a man who is 5'9 and displays confidence and is socially aware and on the ball.

5'9 is average height...

An on the ball 5'6 dude is going to have killer game to win over a 6'2 dude and it really depends how awkward we are talking here.

 

[backbreaker]

when i was in HS, I was the same height I am now.. 5'8, and dated a girl that was 6'2. not only was she 6'2. Not only did I approach her, I basically dumped her for another girl that I thought was cuter about 2 months later.

hell I just remembered, i ran into her again when I was 21 years old at the mall with my boys, and I approached her AGAIN and got her number. she had some legs on her.

fvck my wife is 3 inches taller than me.


dude seriously it's all in your mind. i just never thought of it as an issue and it usually isn't. I have never really been called "short" in my life. I have had girls make fun of my feet (I wear a 8.5) but they are just busting balls. no one seirousoyl in the real world seriously debates this type of **** unless they live in fariy tale land. I assure you the things you are worrying about are not going through agirls mind when she sees you.

I have I mean if you are one of those guys that ar ejust hell bent on the fact that it is your problem or you have to "work around it" then that's just the type of guy and i'm not going to get in a debate with you when my own wife is a shade under 6'0. thogh it is kinda odd when I ask her to get **** at the top of the pantry becuase she has longer reach than I do. lol and change light bulbs. and i have to re adjust the seat after she drives damn amazon legged woman lol. but other than that it's no big deal.


funny thing is, I have never honestly wanted to be taller than I am. it's just not a desire I have. a bigger **** maybe, but taller, I actually think clothes dont' look as good on taller guys than they do on guys my height. My height and my shoe size make my clothing more verstile than if I were 6'2 or something. Plus i'm quite stocky and muscle up easier than taller guys do. A 6'2-6'3 guy would have to either be a genetic freak of nature or would have to live in the gym for a few years to get the physique I have, though I do admit I do live in the gym lol but you get what I am trying to say. Being shorter has it's advantages. I don't have a hard time finding clothes, I can usually wear **** off the rack, they always have my shoe size lol, what is there not to like?

 

[floydb25]

This goes back to every generalization there ever was. The only people using this excuse are those who are not successful. Short people who still have success don't come to such conclusions. Just like the nice guy generalization... Until the nice guy finds a girl - then at least ONE girl likes nice guys - because she likes HIM. It always comes right back to the person (or people) with the problem. Nothing to do with the issue at hand.

I dated so many "hot" girls, and never had any problems. I was always one of the shortest in every crowd... At work, in bars and clubs, outside... Women still came up to me constantly - even with all these tall, masculine, ****y guys around.

To kill two birds with one stone - they also told me I was very sweet, nice, and caring. Short and nice, and never flirted (back then)... WTF is going on? Yeah... Nonsensical conclusions based on personal failures, that's what.

 

[Ardia]

Blustering on an anonymous forum is kind of pointless.

Short men have a 10% increased risk of suicide for every two inch drop from 5'9.

Thats a statistic. Why is it important? Because you'll find all personality types among short men. There are millions of them. But the statistic holds. Thats why its important.

So you can bluster about how cool you are, it means nothing in and of itself. And you know what? You're afraid of that. You dont even want to think that the reason the woman is with you might not have much to do with your confidence, or your 'killer confidence' and 'killer game'.

Maybe she likes your face instead? Meaning if you were totally different she would still like you.

When the first girl was interested in me, enough that she approached me - multiple times - all I did was stop her and her friend and ask for directions. You think other people have never done that? You think I flexed my muscles and put on a rambo face and did that? You think that girl was below average? She looked like this 80% - http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1344769536/nm0000751 - and she chased me, more or less, for 3 months.

I figured it was because I was foreign - a brown skinned guy in a 99% white community.

But later it happened again in a multiracial city. The girl was hot again - http://i.imgur.com/0LIde.jpg - and she kept giving me signals for 7 months.

Frankly, I think confidence is way over-rated. You just need enough confidence to be able to talk to her. Thats it, whether you consider that little or a lot depends on where you are (to me, its a lot, to most I suspect - not thaat much).

Sure, there are some girls into 'bad boys' or bravado or whatever - but heres the thing - those are a subset of women. It has only mild effect on the others.

But what you're afraid of it how powerless you are in the face of female choice - powerless in the face of something your subconscious is telling you is very important. Powerless, not only in a absolute sense - but also a relative sense - whatever level you are at, with slight tweaks - you're stuck there.

So you should look at statistics to get a real picture and work from there. See my first post here for some.

 

[perseverance]

I've seen a few reasons why women want a taller guy. Feeling like he can protect her, making her feel feminine, having tall children etc. Sadly, there isn't any reason at all why a a woman would want a short guy. Being tall is a plus, being short is neutral at best, a dealbreaker at worst.

You speak the truth here Maxtro, I won't disagree with anything typed here. Being short isn't ideal, but you have to make do with how you are. You can't change your height. So you can handle this two ways. You can choose to focus on it as a negative or you can accept it and move on and accept that a lot of girls want a taller man, but there are women who are able to look past height, so it's not a dealbreaker for every woman which is how you make it sound with your "woe is me for I am woe" attitude.

Now how can a woman possibly tell that I'm insecure about my height?

You'd have to ask a woman that question. You say you are rejected due to your height and I am asking is that the only reason? Are you sure your insecurity issues aren't a factor as well?

How can she look at me and think, "That guy doesn't like that he's short, he's turns me off."

It's probably in the way you carry yourself. After all if a woman makes a comment on your height you're going to cuss her out. Women are very good at picking up on insecurity in men, we men aren't designed to be secretive and manipulative like women. Us men more often than not carry our heart on our sleeves.

If any woman calls me short I'd cuss her out, but that has never happened. I've yet to encounter a woman that stupid.

That's sure going to help you with the ladies, Maxtro. You might as well physically assault them while you're at it. Women have talked about my height before and I just laugh it off. Hell I've had taller women attracted to me, women the same height attracted to me and shorter women attracted to me and I'm 5'5. I dare say my attitude and personality more than compensates for my "lack of height".

Women aren't rejecting me just because I'm short, they are rejecting me because they are not physically attracted to me. There are many criteria that women base attraction on and the girl might not even be fully aware of them herself.

Bingo, I am glad you aren't one of these short men who blame everything on their height. Short man syndrome or the Napoleon Complex isn't an attractive trait by any means.

But I will say this, I'm 100% sure that if I were 5'10, which is as tall as my dad, I would have a girlfriend by now. There is no doubt whatsoever.

You'd probably also have a girlfriend if you had a positive mentality and weren't so insecure about your height.

Please

While it may not bother you, it certainly affects how women see you, whether you believe it or not.

Of course it does, but the difference between me is I accept this and you don't. Women/Men will judge me and will cast assumptions and conclusions about me based on what they say. A woman when first in contact with you will judge you and she will continue to judge you constantly. I can do nothing about this, so I accept it and carry on with my life.

A lot of girls will reject me because of my height, a lot of women will reject me because they are interested in someone else, or have a boyfriend. So what? A rejection or a series of rejections isn't the end of the world.

5'9 is average height...

An on the ball 5'6 dude is going to have killer game to win over a 6'2 dude and it really depends how awkward we are talking here.

Plenty of tall men have a problem with women. My friend who is 6'3 has problems with women because he is shy and very reserved. Getting him into a nightclub is like pulling a freight train with nothing but your own man power. It's one hell of a challenge.