She threw up LMR, and I failed miserably. What should I learn from this?

[Megaman XIV]

Women who are interested in you won't confuse you.

Women are like Pokemon. Women like to tease betas. Women need attention.

Women crave men who listen to their past relationship issues and exes. Woe to the man who plays the therapist to said woman. Woe to you.

Use my one hit point wonder rule for new chicks. She disrespects, she's out. She LMR's, she's out. She flakes, she's out. Don't tolerate female bullsh*t. Don't let them get away with games. So many men do this sh*t that it's no wonder why the price of pu$$y is so high right now.

Get equipped.

 

[EastWind]

Gentlemen...we have an update, and it's not one I was expecting. On the way to the gym, she texted me a compound message.

HB: I'm trying really hard to forgive what happened, but I don't like feeling violated or pressured into things. I don't like how aggressive you were with me, and I just feel stupid about the whole situation. I appreciate the talk we had, but you left a bad first impression and now I don't trust you. I've been trying really, really hard to respect myself again, and it's taken a while.

note: if she thinks Monday night was aggressive, then she's not as experienced as she let on. It's also now clear that she has a past she didn't tell me about...

and then the second, sent about ten minutes later (this really blew my mind):

HB: I have spent plenty of nights with guys in the same bed, and they have respected my wishes and kept their hands off of me.

note: I still can't believe she sent me that.

I texted her a short message back:

mascarasnake: Expect a call tonight. I'm not texting a response to this.
HB: I'm not sure I want to talk to you.

so, after my gym session and groceries, I did just that. surprise, surprise - she didn't pick up. (I left a very to-the-point message - this is paraphrased.)

"I see no reason to beat around the bush. The date was fantastic, we'd been making out like hell, and I find you devastatingly attractive. Do you think I can then lie next to you all night, in my bed, and not lie a hand on you? Are we 19?

I'm sorry you felt uncomfortable, even though I have no clue why you did - and I'm certainly not going to apologize for trying to get with you. If that makes me a pig, then I guess I'm a pig. Peace."

The things some girls write. You can't see it but she played you like a fiddle. Chances are, if you would have pushed her hard enough (not endorsing that, by the way), you could've had your way with her.

But the way, your response, in my opinion, was totally inappropriate. She's throwing you a bunch of crap, you don't catch it and dissect it. Appropriate response would have included 1) nothing, followed by you deleting her number 2) "k", followed by you deleting her number 3) "ahahahaha", followed by you deleting her number, although this one is less disarming for her and she WILL respond with pissed-off questions you might find hard to ignore.

 

[Zarky]

^^^^ Thank you, that said it better than I could have. OP, when I was your age I probably wouldn't have seen the overt manipulation here. So I'm not blaming you, you just need more experience.

The poster above me could see it, though. He recognized that what she was saying about being "upset" was all a load of BS. When you called her back, you took it at face value and dissected it, as he pointed out. This showed her that you had no idea what was going on. Furthermore, never ever gush about a woman's attractiveness to her or anyone she knows. Never. Ever.

Had she texted me something like that I would have responded "wtf" ... that would set her hamster going and show her that you're not buying into her "poor me" story. Though any other answer like "lolz" or whatever would work too, showing her you're onto her game and not buying that she's a good girl upset by your sexual come-ons. "omfg" would have been a good one too, because she wouldn't know exactly what you were referring to.

You did pull it together at the very end of your message when you said you weren't sorry about pushing for sex. This showed her that you weren't as chumpy as she had previously thought. Unfortunately for you it came way too late and did little more than blow you out of ever hoping to bang her. You should have let her know you were that type of guy waaaaaay earlier. Then she could have either decided 1) Yes I'll sleep with this guy or 2) I'm looking for Mr. Chump so I'll pass him up.

EDIT:

I think your problem, OP, was that you were just too earnest with this one. Too earnest, too honest, too upfront. You didn't see the game she was playing.

This is why I suggest guys start out dating -- in their early 20s especially -- women who aren't all that attractive. Then you monitor your reactions to those women and carry those reactions forward into interactions with women you do find attractive. If all you try to date are HB8s and above, you'll never get it.

Just like if you tried to learn tennis by going out and playing with Roger Federer. He'd just whip your ass over and over and over and you would never learn anything. Or if you started a new boxer out by fighting Mike Tyson in his prime. Tyson would knock his ass out in the first 5 seconds of the first round. That would happen a few times until the kid got fed up and quit.

Because ultimately it is a game. This chick knew it, you didn't.

 

[floydb25]

Agree with Zarky, and others. A lot of guys don't realize that, with certain girls, it's all a game to them, and they WILL use your weaknesses against you. Especially these aggressive, loud, flashy, drama-obsessed, bar / party / fake / status girls. It's all their lives consist of, and why they have so many "trust issues", ******* exes, drama, etc. All they do is play games, try to control and manipulate men, jump from **** to ****, "hate" men, cause problems, get drunk, etc.

Don't assume all these girls are genuine, honest, straightforward, and of quality - then act the part yourself. Many of them - despite complaining about no good men out there (see: they only attract trash, like themselves) - are immature, selfish, conniving, manipulative, two-faced, etc. The bar / party scene is riddled with these losers. Don't sympathize with their "vulnerability", believe their victimization claims, try to be the good guy they never had, etc. They're losers, and trash. That's why they act this way, and attract what they do.

Don't be the weak / submissive / understanding / honest nice guy (see: naive, gullible, oblivious sucker) for them. Don't fall prey to their BS. Like any predator, they are agressive, charming, dominant, pursuasive... nlotice how she's trying to call all the shots, and maintain the frame of control - while keeping you oblivious to everything, and cut you down in the process. She's been dominant from the jump - and not because of all those "*******s". She IS an *******.

****'s real out there.

 

[bluenorther]

There's a name for men who share women's beds without sex: Cuddle B!tch. That's what she wants you to be!
This gal I've been spending nights with started out the same way, but she eventually came to my bed without her panties-- game on!
She's been a real letdown, though. I thought she was going to be something hot, but she's just lukecool after all. She can't even get off with a man, and many have tried. Most times we've slept together, she just rolled over and conked out.
I finally quit going to her place. Her old ex has taken over, fixing her truck and so on but I doubt he's getting any better nookie than she gave me. I thought she was cute and I still like her, but she's got serious issues that I won't name here.

 

[MascaraSnake]

That feeling I had when I got up Tuesday afternoon to drag myself to class? Got her up, walked her to the door, kissed her, and had this general "ick" feeling that wasn't the gin hangover.

I now know what that was. That was the feeling of utter, crushing defeat at the hands of a diva. I'll remember that for the rest of my life.

I don't know what it was about this girl that pissed me off so much, but this isn't like all of the other rejections I've had. Something about this one made me angrier than all of the others, and I think it might be a major drive behind (finally) throwing every last bit of myself into self-improvement.

thank you, gentlemen. I needed this slap in the face.