she flaked.. what to do?

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I went out with a girl for lunch and we had a great time. We met later on in the same week for movies and we had a good time together. I was going away to DC for a week and she said we could meet when i get back.(which is a week away) so far so good. So to keep me in her mind, i started texting her and we would have these casual texts going on throughout the day. When i reminded her about our upcoming date, she replied that she has to see because her friend is going to Miami. At first, i didn't know what to think.. I mean, she offered the specific day. and even if her friend is really going away, you'd figure she could meet her around plans she already committed to..well later on during the day, she canceled saying it wont work out on that day.All i responded was that i was looking forward and that she was a good friend( to her friend). she then offered to meet on monday. the thing is, i have a feeling that she feels bad and wants to just go on a "pity" date which i will never do. i kinda told her Monday was fine, but how do i tell her that my time is valuable without coming across as a jerk or that she affects my scheduling! what do i do?
 

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Why don't you say that you have other plans on Monday --is there another day when she is available? If she finds another day/time she is interested. If she doesn't---well there is your answer.
 

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DO NOT OVERTHINK.

SHe said Monday? good, go see her on Monday, have a good time, escalate etc and see how it goes. If it goes well, good for you, if it doesn't, maybe you should forget about her.

Simple as that.
 

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This post here is a perfect example of how texting can harm relationships, or the feelings associated with them. Allow him to demonstrate the texting mistakes:
Giants1446 said:
I was going away to DC for a week and she said we could meet when i get back.(which is a week away) so far so good. So to keep me in her mind, i started texting her and we would have these casual texts going on throughout the day.
This is mistake #1. Your logical thought process is that, in order to keep you on her mind, you need to be in contact with her everyday. In fact, the OPPOSITE is true: you will stay on her mind MORE if you LIMIT your contact with her while out of town. No, it's not rude, and no, she won't suddenly forget you. Think about this logically: were you not to contact this chick for a week, would you come back into town and suddenly forget who she was? Same thing with her, dude. Plus, when you're NOT contacting her, all she's going to be thinking about is how she can't WAIT to hear from/see you again.

On the other hand: if she's hearing from you every day via text, she has no time to miss you - and a girl's brain needs time to NOT see or hear from you so it can work it's nostalgia muscle and build up her interest in you by reminiscing about how great she feels whenever she's around you.
Giants1446 said:
When i reminded her about our upcoming date...
Mistake number two: NO REMINDING OF DATES. Once you set the date up, you just wait for the day of the date to go to her and pick her up. A girl that likes you and wants to spend time with you won't forget about a date, and therefore doesn't need to be reminded. Also, the probability of flaking actually increases when you text a girl reminding her about a date. It's similar to a rule they have in sales which states "once you make the sale, stop talking. Don't go back in there and re-ask for an order you've already goten 'cause they're more likely to have 'buyer's remorse' and change their minds." Once you had the date set, you should have gone out of town, not talked to her, got back and showed up for the agreed upon date and time.

Giants1446 said:
...she replied that she has to see because her friend is going to Miami.
Mistake #3: as soon as she said this, it was what I call the "prep for a flake." Most girls will usually give a pre-flake excuse if they're going to flake, like "Well, maybe, I have to check my schedule first because..." or "Hmm, I'll have to see because..." When you hear these things, YOU need to be the one to cut the date first: "Hmm, sounds like you're busy - let's reschedule for a day that's more definite." In short, you're telling her you're not setting up a "maybe" date. Plus, if you ask her for a more definite date and she's still saying things like "Hmm, I dunno, my week is looking kinda busy..." or some other excuse that involves her not setting a definite day and time, it means she's OUT.

Giants1446 said:
All i responded was that i was looking forward and that she was a good friend( to her friend).
Mistake number 4: NEVER REWARD A WOMAN THAT FLAKED ON YOU WITH A COMPLIMENT - it only makes her feel like what she's doing is okay.

Giants1446 said:
she then offered to meet on monday. the thing is, i have a feeling that she feels bad and wants to just go on a "pity" date which i will never do.
Mistake number 5 - and this is REALLY where texting does damage - is that you're assuming an emotion based on an invite she sent you via text. All you read was "we can meet up Monday" and you placed 1000 different negative assumptions on it. Why? You weren't able to hear her vocal inflection, or maybe she sent it to you with a period at the end of the sentence, which usually comes off a lot harsher than normal... or she was driving and only had time to type out a short message like "sorry lets do monday" which didn't have any emoticons or emotion in it to indicate if the invite was genuine or pity...

The bottom line is, YOU DO NOT REALLY KNOW THE EMOTION BEHIND IT BECAUSE IT WAS THROUGH TEXT. You would have been better making a phone call, or doing a skype chat, or waiting until you got back in town to talk to her in person - but since you didn't, the WORST thing you can do is assume an emotion based on a system of communication that is emotionlesss. So, what's the course of action? (a) Assume NOTHING other than the words she sent you, (b) go on the friggin' Monday date, and (c) stop over-thinking and obsessing about what the emotion behind the text COULD be - that's what women do.
 

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How is she affecting your schedule? How is this a pity date?

She had to see a friend and rescheduled, which you commended her for then accepted her counter offer.

Dont do anything else.
 

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You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Harry Wilmington again.
 

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Harry Wilmington said:
This post here is a perfect example of how texting can harm relationships, or the feelings associated with them. Allow him to demonstrate the texting mistakes:

This is mistake #1. Your logical thought process is that, in order to keep you on her mind, you need to be in contact with her everyday. In fact, the OPPOSITE is true: you will stay on her mind MORE if you LIMIT your contact with her while out of town. No, it's not rude, and no, she won't suddenly forget you. Think about this logically: were you not to contact this chick for a week, would you come back into town and suddenly forget who she was? Same thing with her, dude. Plus, when you're NOT contacting her, all she's going to be thinking about is how she can't WAIT to hear from/see you again.

On the other hand: if she's hearing from you every day via text, she has no time to miss you - and a girl's brain needs time to NOT see or hear from you so it can work it's nostalgia muscle and build up her interest in you by reminiscing about how great she feels whenever she's around you.


Mistake number two: NO REMINDING OF DATES. Once you set the date up, you just wait for the day of the date to go to her and pick her up. A girl that likes you and wants to spend time with you won't forget about a date, and therefore doesn't need to be reminded. Also, the probability of flaking actually increases when you text a girl reminding her about a date. It's similar to a rule they have in sales which states "once you make the sale, stop talking. Don't go back in there and re-ask for an order you've already goten 'cause they're more likely to have 'buyer's remorse' and change their minds." Once you had the date set, you should have gone out of town, not talked to her, got back and showed up for the agreed upon date and time.


Mistake #3: as soon as she said this, it was what I call the "prep for a flake." Most girls will usually give a pre-flake excuse if they're going to flake, like "Well, maybe, I have to check my schedule first because..." or "Hmm, I'll have to see because..." When you hear these things, YOU need to be the one to cut the date first: "Hmm, sounds like you're busy - let's reschedule for a day that's more definite." In short, you're telling her you're not setting up a "maybe" date. Plus, if you ask her for a more definite date and she's still saying things like "Hmm, I dunno, my week is looking kinda busy..." or some other excuse that involves her not setting a definite day and time, it means she's OUT.


Mistake number 4: NEVER REWARD A WOMAN THAT FLAKED ON YOU WITH A COMPLIMENT - it only makes her feel like what she's doing is okay.


Mistake number 5 - and this is REALLY where texting does damage - is that you're assuming an emotion based on an invite she sent you via text. All you read was "we can meet up Monday" and you placed 1000 different negative assumptions on it. Why? You weren't able to hear her vocal inflection, or maybe she sent it to you with a period at the end of the sentence, which usually comes off a lot harsher than normal... or she was driving and only had time to type out a short message like "sorry lets do monday" which didn't have any emoticons or emotion in it to indicate if the invite was genuine or pity...

The bottom line is, YOU DO NOT REALLY KNOW THE EMOTION BEHIND IT BECAUSE IT WAS THROUGH TEXT. You would have been better making a phone call, or doing a skype chat, or waiting until you got back in town to talk to her in person - but since you didn't, the WORST thing you can do is assume an emotion based on a system of communication that is emotionlesss. So, what's the course of action? (a) Assume NOTHING other than the words she sent you, (b) go on the friggin' Monday date, and (c) stop over-thinking and obsessing about what the emotion behind the text COULD be - that's what women do.
I appreciate the analysis of the mistakes i have made. it will definitely help me out in the future!
 

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In the mean time, make sure you are making moves on other chicks. Have plenty of options.
 

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Mondays are flake days....


People party on weekends....

People call in sick on mondays the most, people are the busiest on mondays cuz they got school, or errands, and are too tired.

Mondays are the worst.


I bet she flakes.
 

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Stop going on lunch dates and movies. These are things friends do.... you are putting out a "friend vibe". Make sure she understands you are interested in having sex with her. This is what women expect.

Good advice above... see her Monday and try to step up your game and escalate. You'll know pretty quick where you stand after that. If a women has other plans and offers you an option that's a good sign. Don't read too much into it.
 

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Giants1446 said:
I went out with a girl for lunch and we had a great time. We met later on in the same week for movies and we had a good time together. I was going away to DC for a week and she said we could meet when i get back.(which is a week away) so far so good. So to keep me in her mind, i started texting her and we would have these casual texts going on throughout the day. When i reminded her about our upcoming date, she replied that she has to see because her friend is going to Miami. At first, i didn't know what to think.. I mean, she offered the specific day. and even if her friend is really going away, you'd figure she could meet her around plans she already committed to..well later on during the day, she canceled saying it wont work out on that day.All i responded was that i was looking forward and that she was a good friend( to her friend). she then offered to meet on monday. the thing is, i have a feeling that she feels bad and wants to just go on a "pity" date which i will never do. i kinda told her Monday was fine, but how do i tell her that my time is valuable without coming across as a jerk or that she affects my scheduling! what do i do?
Why are you over thinking this? If she was not interested she would not offer an alternative date. If you're available Monday, go have a good time and stop stressing yourself about what she thinks. The question is how does she act when you are together? Its all about actions not trying to find meaning over text messages. If you're confident and are just getting to know her then there should be no fear of her flaking or losing interest. If that happens, you are not too invested so it should not bother you at all.
 

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Harry Wilmington, that answer was absolute gold.

Only question, I'd there not a chance that by him not texting she could assume he is not interested? And so by not wanting to look desperate/needy she could abandon the date on those grounds?
 

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In short: yes and no. But it actually HELPS the guy if she thinks this.

Yes, in the sense that if he does not contact her, she COULD think he may be losing interest. But no in the sense that her thinking that doesn't hurt his chances. The problem most guys have is they think too logically about what would happen if he stops contacting her. In his head, the equation goes like this:

She likes me + me not contacting her = Her thinking I don't like her, which will lower interest

But they forget about one crucial part of the equation: her ego. And her ego is not going to like the fact that a guy who supposedly likes her is suddenly not contacting her. Why? Because the ego wants to think it's the shiznit, and that she has what it takes to keep a guy around... so, when you show her a good time and then go no contact for a few days, the equation in her head actually looks more like this:

She likes me + me not contacting her = Her thinking I might not like her, which will cause her ego to fight to prove otherwise thus INCREASING her interest

Were he to go on this trip and not contact her at all, her ego would go into the mind state of wondering WHY he's not contacting her, and pondering what SHE may have done wrong to cause this to happen. Because she wants to believe she can actually attract and keep a guy, her ego is going to make her do everything she can to prove to herself that you still find her desirable. The effect of that is her reaching out to YOU, sending YOU text first, offering up date ideas and being willing to pick YOU up and take YOU out, and ask YOU when YOU are coming back to town so she can show YOU a good time (either out on the town or in the sack).

Basically, not texting a girl all the time allows her to feel what it would be like if you just walked away - and having the ability to be able to walk away from a situation with a girl if it's not to your liking is the MOST POWERFUL TOOL ANY MAN HAS AT HIS DISPOSAL TO HELP HIM KEEP WOMEN because it shows you're not desperate, needy, and that you view yourself as a desired man that any woman would be lucky to have. So, if she starts assuming he may not be interested, GREAT - if she likes him, that feeling will only make her want to work HARDER to keep his attention, which is what you want the girl to be doing in the first place :)
 

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Like Ranger said , let it be known you want to have sex ...not verbally but by your actions.

Depends what type of girl flakes on me.

From 7.5- 10 ...I won't even bother to contact her or give her a piece of my mind and limit my contact , makes her know you value your time.

Below 7 , I will give it a try in a week time , if she flakes just limit and don't bother anymore.
 

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_sideways_ said:
Mondays are flake days....


People party on weekends....

People call in sick on mondays the most, people are the busiest on mondays cuz they got school, or errands, and are too tired.

Mondays are the worst.


I bet she flakes.
my thought exactly. I'm already hitting up other girls
 

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Harry Wilmington said:
In short: yes and no. But it actually HELPS the guy if she thinks this.

Yes, in the sense that if he does not contact her, she COULD think he may be losing interest. But no in the sense that her thinking that doesn't hurt his chances. The problem most guys have is they think too logically about what would happen if he stops contacting her. In his head, the equation goes like this:

She likes me + me not contacting her = Her thinking I don't like her, which will lower interest

But they forget about one crucial part of the equation: her ego. And her ego is not going to like the fact that a guy who supposedly likes her is suddenly not contacting her. Why? Because the ego wants to think it's the shiznit, and that she has what it takes to keep a guy around... so, when you show her a good time and then go no contact for a few days, the equation in her head actually looks more like this:

She likes me + me not contacting her = Her thinking I might not like her, which will cause her ego to fight to prove otherwise thus INCREASING her interest

Were he to go on this trip and not contact her at all, her ego would go into the mind state of wondering WHY he's not contacting her, and pondering what SHE may have done wrong to cause this to happen. Because she wants to believe she can actually attract and keep a guy, her ego is going to make her do everything she can to prove to herself that you still find her desirable. The effect of that is her reaching out to YOU, sending YOU text first, offering up date ideas and being willing to pick YOU up and take YOU out, and ask YOU when YOU are coming back to town so she can show YOU a good time (either out on the town or in the sack).

Basically, not texting a girl all the time allows her to feel what it would be like if you just walked away - and having the ability to be able to walk away from a situation with a girl if it's not to your liking is the MOST POWERFUL TOOL ANY MAN HAS AT HIS DISPOSAL TO HELP HIM KEEP WOMEN because it shows you're not desperate, needy, and that you view yourself as a desired man that any woman would be lucky to have. So, if she starts assuming he may not be interested, GREAT - if she likes him, that feeling will only make her want to work HARDER to keep his attention, which is what you want the girl to be doing in the first place :)
Very good sh*t, save this and read this whenever you start missing conversating with a girl that's interested in you.
 
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