She CASUALLY mentions her Boyfriend TWICE.

[Hot Ice Casanova]

Okay guys... this seems easy enough but all the times I've been DJing for the past year I don't remember girls ever bringing up boyfriends so soon... So I don't know if it's a sh*t test, or she just wants to put it out there, or she's being her normal self.

THE STORY: I meet this girl this morning, she's very cute in MY opinion but she's probably too "fat" for most guys on this forum (I shamelessly admit to being a lover of full-figured women - but ONLY the cute ones). So I chat her up, I get her number, she seems very fun and easygoing... no blatant resistance or sh*t-testing, so I figure this is going to be one of my easier seductions...

So I decided to call her tonight, since I had good rapport going when I got her number, and I'd done a smooth, confident number-close... I called - she didn't answer so I left a message. She called back about 30 minutes later. Only after I talked to her for two minutes on the phone, did she mention that she's going to see her BOYFRIEND over the weekend! Now I just tried to ignore the boyfriend and changed the subject, I ran through 2 or 3 brief threads/stories and was about to end it, but she brought up the BOYFRIEND again right as I was trying to cut the conversation short (I told her "I'm getting another call, so call me back in 20 minutes". She says "well I'll call you if I'm not on the phone. I think my boyfriend is gonna call me so if he doesn't, I'll call you.")

Well lo and behold, she doesn't call me back. So what? BIG DEAL. I'll let her spend the weekend with whoever it is, while I MACK MORE CHICKS, and I'll call her up next week. But I felt like I wasn't quite handling the boyfriend issue as well as I could have....

Plus I doubt the boyfriend was real - again by all your standards this chick was HUGE, I don't know how many guys would see her as attractive (even though in MY opinion she's very smooth, busty, and has a cute face - at least a 7.5 by fat chick standards - but how often do these big girls even get hit on, let alone get a boyfriend????!!!)

REMEMBER, she mentioned the Boyfriend twice, but NOT as an objection (I had not even tried to ask her our yet). So does this sound like a REAL boyfriend, and how should I deal with it if she brings him up again? Is it a "passive" sh*t-test? Or is it just her saying whatever is on her mind?

What's the best way to handle her "boyfriend" talk? Is ignoring it the best route here?

P.S. In case anyone's wondering, I was adhering to the DJ rules 100% in the convo, I went in with a strong, non-needy "Let's have fun with this" attitude. I didn't even talk about the boyfriend. And honestly I don't care if I lose this particular girl, but I REALLY want to know how to tackle all aspects of that annoying boyfriend issue, especially when he's REAL (or appears to be) or if she only mentions him casually.

All you fellow DJ's out there, what's the BEST way to handle this and lay her?

 

[DonJuan11]

I meet this girl this morning, she's very cute in MY opinion but she's probably too "fat" for most guys on this forum (I shamelessly admit to being a lover of full-figured women - but ONLY the cute ones).

Nice admission

So I chat her up, I get her number, she seems very fun and easygoing... no blatant resistance or sh*t-testing, so I figure this is going to be one of my easier seductions...

So I decided to call her tonight, since I had good rapport going when I got her number, and I'd done a smooth, confident number-close... I called - she didn't answer so I left a message. She called back about 30 minutes later. Only after I talked to her for two minutes on the phone, did she mention that she's going to see her BOYFRIEND over the weekend!

"My sincere apologies. I was under the assumption that you were unattached. Perhaps we will be able to go to dinner another time, another place. Take care of yourself and don't forget to write."

Now I just tried to ignore the boyfriend and changed the subject,

Translation: I like you so much that I didn't want to hear the boyfriend comment, I want to impress you with my stories in the next 2 min so you forget about how he makes you feel when you have sex with him.

I ran through 2 or 3 brief threads/stories and was about to end it, but she brought up the BOYFRIEND again right as I was trying to cut the conversation short (I told her "I'm getting another call, so call me back in 20 minutes".

She says "well I'll call you if I'm not on the phone. I think my boyfriend is gonna call me so if he doesn't, I'll call you.")

The same amount of times that you would hit on a full figured woman who is cute.

What's the best way to handle her "boyfriend" talk? Is ignoring it the best route here?

The best way, like anything in life and women, is to not make it important. You say "that's too bad, I was really looking to get to know you better. Perhaps some other time." And move on. You leave a good taste in their mouth and make it seem like it's unimportant. Once you ignore it and make it seem important, she knows she has you emotionally and then you are dead in the water.

 

[Hot Ice Casanova]

That doesn't make sense dude. You make it unimportant by REACTING to it? When she didn't even use it as a direct OBJECTION? That's nuts, reactiveness is what AFC's do. First of all, she didn't even bring it up as an objection, she just casually mentioned the boyfriend in the context of the conversation. Second, I thought you have to be NON-REACTIVE, and if you get pissed or act affected by the boyfriend, THEN you look like she's "important" to you and you look needy.

The point is,

1. I don't want to be her boyfriend. I just want to lay her.
2. I don't see her boyfriend as competition. He can buy all the expensive dinners and gifts and stuff, I just want to seduce her and lay her.
3. I wasn't trying to "impress her" with stories, I just said things I had intended to say anyway - I changed threads with the frame that I ASSUME high value in advance. I wasn't nervous when I said any of it.
4. I wasn't being a "nice guy" and listening to all her guy problems - I just changed the subject and LEAD the conversation. If anything, this projects high value and shows that my frame wasn't rattled.
4. She didn't say "I have a Boyfriend" and she had no objection to giving me her number. She only mentioned him and her plans with him casually over the phone. It was only about 2% of the entire conversation. And she NEVER said LJBF. Like I said before, what's the BEST way to get past this and lay her (or any other girl that has a boyfriend)?

I don't get it, how does IGNORING the BF make him seem important? I mean being a nice guy is clingy, but I didn't make ANY nice-guy mistakes as far as I know here. After all I was the one to end the convo. I want to give off the vibe that I AM THE GREAT CATCH - so if I decided to simply "next" her when she wasn't even rejecting me, it would look like I'm DESPERATE to be her next BOREfriend - which is NOT what I want as a Don Juan (nor should anyone else want it).

I see nothing ethically wrong with macking girls with BFs, cuz the way I see it, if she was really that loyal to him she wouldn't be giving me the time of day, let alone her number. So, I ask you all again, what's the best way to play this?

 

[horaholic]

If she was casually mentioning her Bf, it means she wants you to give her a reason she should cheat on him. Chicks think emotionally, and will rationalize anything. She is hoping you will give her some reason to rationalize cheating on her BF with you. I cant give you any pointers as to HOW, though. Maybe if you just 'take' her, she can say to herself "He swept me off my feet, and I was caught in the moment. It just HAPPENED." Taken chicks will fvck you, IF they have some 'reason' to justify it. Im not good at capitalizing this, but I know its true.

Besides, if you're a chubby chaser, there's plenty of other ones around. Honestly, I envy you. If I could get turned on by that, I would be swimming in pvssy right now. I have seriously contemplated seeing a hypnotist to make me think chubby girls were sexy! There are SOOO many of them, and some of them are cute, and I could tell if they were skinny, they would be hot. You've got your pick of them. Forget this chick, and find a single one. It wont be hard.

 

[smoothtalker72]

im the type of guy that hates social stereotypes and things of that nature... going for a girl with a boyfriend after shes made it known she has a boyfriend is exactly why women call us dogs after one single thing. i see that as part of the reason that it is difficult for those of us with other intentions to get to know some women. they have a shield up after dealing with the few that cant control their hormones.
what im trying to say is you know she has a boyfriend why not just leave it at that rather than trying to ruin a relationship for nothing more than sex.

 

[TheRealSupreme]

Ahahahaha...you got played kid.

Now this post is funny. I should put it on my show for a good laugh. You thought big girls didn't get hit on?

Ok lets see here:

1. You probably did the side ways opinion opener instead of direct game so she thought you were trying to be a friend and had you in friend zone. She probably thought you were gay at the beginning if you did a soft approach.

2. If not, it's flattering to big girls to get hit on so she allowed it and probably told all of her friends and had a good laugh over you.

3. You do know black guys like full figured women with pretty faces don't you.

4. But it's pretty obvious that when you called trying to talk game to her she wasn't buying and had to say to you so many times for it to get through that SHE HAS A BOYFRIEND. Do you care ??? NO. But not all women are cheap skank slvts. Doesn't stop em from loving attention from sucka's though.

 

[Ollie]

1. You probably did the side ways opinion opener instead of direct game so she thought you were trying to be a friend and had you in friend zone. She probably thought you were gay at the beginning if you did a soft approach.

I've seen comments like this a lot so I have to bring up the question: Who cares if she thinks he was gay? Just because a guys gay, that doesn't throw him into the friend zone. Not even close. Girls want what they can't have, and gay guys act really DJish around girls, just like you probably do around guys, since they don't care about the outcome at all. I can almost guarantee you if you're gf has a good looking gay shopping buddy, she probably thinks about him while fvcking you.

 

[Hot Ice Casanova]

Lol GAY???? Are you guys serious? I don't approach girls like a gay guy (and I've SEEN how gay guys act around women, trust me...)

I didn't do an opinion opener. I NEVER use opinion openers if I can avoid them, especially since this was day game in COLLEGE (sorry if I left that out...) opinion openers would be VERY awkward there.

I was a bit more direct than you think, I intentionally mistook her for someone else, came in with a "don't give a damn" playful vibe. Just talked to her and let the conversation flow, looker her straight in the eyes (withing reason of course). I was not like "let's f*ck" but I DID do some DHV and kino. I did a cold read and a playful compliment at the end (not a sappy one but a joking, Swinggcat-style one). I think she KNOWS I don't just want to be friends. I used a strong, deep voice which I naturally have. She didn't sh*t-test me once in the convo.

I NEVER used any of those weird "do my clothes look nice" gay opinion openers or nervous movements.

As for Supreme's advice... so you basically figure that I'm hopeless and that even fat girls will laugh at me whether I use direct or indirect game??? That's not a very encouraging attitude from a Senior Don Juan. And yes black guys go after them... but they're usually ALL that goes after them... and there's no that many of them in my area lol. It doesn't mean fat chicks are only interested in black dudes, in fact I'd guess any guy with game can get them (And I HAVE in the past, this one was the only one that mentioned her boyfriend in the context of the FIRST phone call). This chick did not openly make objections, she only mentioned him in CONTEXT.

Besides, if this IS a sh*t test (BTW, none of you guys have answered that question!) then the worst thing to do is give up. I don't think I got played, I didn't jump through any hoops... I'm thinking of calling back NEXT week to avoid sending any wrong vibes. She seemed open to meeting me later on.

Keep in mind I didn't do any needy, wussy AFC behavior. Everything, including the number close, was done DJ-style. I want to be CONGRUENT with my DJ personality, and thus make the boyfriend irrelevant. I KNOW it's been done many times before, my only question is HOW can it be done with this situation here?

 

[DonGorgon]

Boyfriends only become relevant when she does not like you..

 

[TheRealSupreme]

http://media.libsyn.com/media/playersupreme/help_with_fat_girl.mp3

My girl made some comments also.

 

[Metaphysical]

Hahahahahaha

 

[Ollie]

Oh I wasn't saying that she thought that you were gay, just saying that it's not the end of it if a girl thinks a guy's gay because of that other comment. If you read the post I posted a while ago about opening lines, you'll see that last night I made an overtly gay statement to get the conversation started with some girls and it worked out well.

 

[TheRealSupreme]

Oh I wasn't saying that she thought that you were gay, just saying that it's not the end of it if a girl thinks a guy's gay because of that other comment. If you read the post I posted a while ago about opening lines, you'll see that last night I made an overtly gay statement to get the conversation started with some girls and it worked out well.

I didn't take you as calling him gay, I took you as defending a gay acting approach. As my girl said in the above show, and any female that I would know of ...no they don't wanna have sex with a gay man. With AIDS rampant gay guys make better shopping buddies.

As for using it as a opener? Why start out weak then have to work hard to recover back to manhood???

I say start as a man (straight man acting) and finish well in the game.

Have you read how many posts that have been posted on here of guys complaining how women think they are gay? Probably not since your new here.

 

[Solomon]

Oh lord......

This is what I would do, if a chick says she has a man, I would either 1. Ignore it and keep laying in the ground work or 2. Just fall back
There to many chicks out there to worry about one, if you a man of value a shorty like that wouldn't even run that **** on you.

Solo

 

[Hot Ice Casanova]

Good Idea Solomon.

I'll just ignore it and put her on the back burner for a few days, and mack other chicks over the weekend, then chat her up again, tease her and raise her interest... in the mean time, I'm gonna learn and practice more DJ material, never hurts to be prepared.

And let's put the whole "gay" thing to rest. I never approach women with "gay" openers or body language, it's never been my style and I KNOW lots of guys mistakenly think it attracts girls, only to be rejected and weep... LOL I've got a totally different set of game issues to fix.

 

[ready123]

Boyfriends only become relevant when she does not like you..

- or they're feelign guilty because they're into you
- or they're trying to convey to you that they're a catch

look at the context dude. if she says it at the beginning of the convo and she still talks to you for another 20 mins, she's still feeling you regardless. if you gaming her and she says she has a bf at the end and the vibe changes, you just fvcked up