Sh!t Tests and other indirect communication

[PlayHer Man]

Not sure about you guys but I have a very hard time respecting people who can't communicate directly. I find passive-aggressive behavior cowardly and pathetic. This is why I don't respect the majority of woman I f*ck once I get to know them. Once they pull their first sh!t test my respect plummets to almost ZERO.

This is probably why all the women I date eventually become plates and not exclusive partners. The respect isn't there for me to commit to them.

I've noticed its not just a woman thing. There are lots of passive-aggressive men too and I find myself losing respect for them as well. My one friend has become very passive-aggressive since he got a serious girlfriend and I've reached a point where I have almost no respect for him. Which is unfortunate.

Anyway.. this is why I disagree with the PUA teachings on sh!t tests. PUA's teach passive-aggressive manipulations and other games. In other words --> Turning yourself into a woman to attract women:

-Peacocking (gay)
-Gimmicks (desperate)
-Manipulation (feminine)
-Being passive-aggressive and silent (pathetic)

There are times when silence is appropriate --> When you don't feel like talking/arguing/responding OR you really have nothing to say.

But if its done to get a reaction its a game and ironically it IS a reaction. :crackup:

 

[Betterz]

I like that. Can relate somewhat. Rather just remain more quiet and let her do the work. Being in-authentic and trying to hard to force situations sucks. :cheer:

 

[Solomon]

I actually agree and disagree with this

First, I'll be the first one to admit that I loath shyt test. Being witty has never been one of the stronger parts of my game. Even though I worked at it, it still is something that doesn't come fluid to me the way i like. The problem is that women look at everything thinking there is a double meaning. Instead of wanting to be mean and tell you

"Hey I cant make it on the date I just am not interested"

she has to lie and say something like

"Hey my dog died or hey I have work and got busy"

It's just in women's nature

I don't see anything wrong with dressing nice if you wanna call it peacocking women go noddles for a guy who knows how to dress up. Just look at how women swoon at Don Draper.

Manipulation? I'm on the fence on this. I think sometimes manipulation is great you ever watch Breaking Bad? Bryan Cranston character Walter White makes manipulation look so effortless and utlizies it to get what he wants.

He knows that if he tells people the truth they won't do what he wants or won't understand so he manipulates them. Women do the same with men and vice versa

I believe in being honest but the problem is, few women are honest themselves if they were this site wouldn't exist and game wouldn't be needed that goes for both men and women

 

[PlayHer Man]

I actually agree and disagree with this

First, I'll be the first one to admit that I loath shyt test. Being witty has never been one of the stronger parts of my game. Even though I worked at it, it still is something that doesn't come fluid to me the way i like. The problem is that women look at everything thinking there is a double meaning. Instead of wanting to be mean and tell you

"Hey I cant make it on the date I just am not interested"

she has to lie and say something like

"Hey my dog died or hey I have work and got busy"

It's just in women's nature

I don't care if its in their nature. I don't respect it and when they do it I lose respect for them immediately. I know as the weaker sex they get a pass for being cowardly and timid. Its feminine and sexy at times.. but not something that inspires respect.

A woman can still be very feminine, soft and passive without being a manipulative liar. Making excuses for women is what gets men in trouble. Dangerously close to white knight thinking. Don't fall for it bro.

I don't see anything wrong with dressing nice if you wanna call it peacocking women go noddles for a guy who knows how to dress up. Just look at how women swoon at Don Draper.

Manipulation? I'm on the fence on this. I think sometimes manipulation is great you ever watch Breaking Bad? Bryan Cranston character Walter White makes manipulation look so effortless and utlizies it to get what he wants.

He knows that if he tells people the truth they won't do what he wants or won't understand so he manipulates them. Women do the same with men and vice versa

I believe in being honest but the problem is, few women are honest themselves if they were this site wouldn't exist and game wouldn't be needed that goes for both men and women

There is nothing wrong with dressing nice or even dressing wild.. as long as you're doing it because you want to and not ONLY to attract women. The reason behind your actions matters more than the actions themselves.

Regarding manipulation.. sure it works in most areas of life. But its designed to give the manipulator power. A woman who manipulates is seeking power. Why is this good for you as a man? As far as men manipulating women goes... they don't have the value to be worth manipulating. This is what men fail to understand. Lie to them sure.. but manipulating them is just gay and pointless.

Sure.. a man can manipulate to make money, get ahead in life and get out of trouble at work or with the law. But in the context of a sexual relationship its a highly feminine behavior. What is there to manipulate a woman about? Either you have value or you don't. Either she is attracted or she isn't. You don't need to manipulate.. plus it rarely works.

If you can tell me a way to manipulate a woman into getting wet over you, I'd love to hear it. From personal experience.. women get more aroused when I'm blunt than when I play passive-aggressive mind games. I have no moral issue with men manipulating women.. I just think its a waste of time and ultimately doesn't help them get laid any better.

 

[BraddH]

Passive-aggressive equals to assertive and that is the best way to describe a Don Juan, an alpha male. But the again, alphas have many haters because of jealous - that he doesn't care at all about.

 

[TheGambino]

Any tips if your forced to contact a girl you acted AFC with (be4 finding out about DJ anyways) I have to ask her some questions about school and we have to make a plan, we could do this on the internet but its possible for me to set up a appointment with her to sort things out. Any tips how to act towards her (I was AFC in those days) Shes a HB8 at least.. we dated for about 2 months, something really exciting never happened, i missed my chances those days but im forced to work with her once more

 

[Smok1nAce]

agree with OP, to many men act like women when it comes to women.

 

[Smok1nAce]

Any tips if your forced to contact a girl you acted AFC with (be4 finding out about DJ anyways) I have to ask her some questions about school and we have to make a plan, we could do this on the internet but its possible for me to set up a appointment with her to sort things out. Any tips how to act towards her (I was AFC in those days) Shes a HB8 at least.. we dated for about 2 months, something really exciting never happened, i missed my chances those days but im forced to work with her once more

again...acting like a women. yeah you might have acted like a simp before but thats in the past. youve learned go about it how you normally would. if anything she will see you matured, if not "oh'well", your the man..

 

[GetFit66]

Solid post.

If you need to be this way with a woman you are approaching long term with, your out of your mind for being with her. She should be a source of relaxation and fun, not headaches and work.

There are more important things in the world that if you need to use these tactics on you could.