Sh*t test? F*ck your sh*t test.

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I don't want this to sound off topic, but I have a better idea than OKCupid:

1) Call friends
2) Get beer
3) Holla at shorties in real life
4) Profit?

So a girl was b*tchy and didn't wanna sit on your c*ck right away. Does that really warrant analysis?

Now, it'd be different if you'd have already banged her twice daily for three weeks and she started to give you cold shoulder. This is not that situation.

You know better, sstype.
 

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loveshogun said:
I don't want this to sound off topic, but I have a better idea than OKCupid:

1) Call friends
2) Get beer
3) Holla at shorties in real life
4) Profit?

So a girl was b*tchy and didn't wanna sit on your c*ck right away. Does that really warrant analysis?

Now, it'd be different if you'd have already banged her twice daily for three weeks and she started to give you cold shoulder. This is not that situation.

You know better, sstype.
Shogun, it wasn't the rejection it was the attitude that got me riled up. Nevertheless, it did not warrant the anaylsis, however in a way I am glad i posted this.

The responses still were a good wakeup call for me. I have a lot of issues I need to work on resolving. I've been harboring a lot of negative thoughts lately and I need to work on forgiving myself and others even though they may behave in ways that may annoy me.
 

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Slickster said:
I don't really see a sh!t test here?
Do not be afraid to drop an insult on a chick like this either. It takes balls of steel for some guys but if her jaw drops and she acts mad you are doing your job. Works in better in real life than over the internet.
The Op could listen to the best pick up lines! Some timely quotes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMZpCAKrars

"I hate to kick my own a$$ but it´s gotta be done!" :crackup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7ApXmZcuug
 

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This is good. Too often we only hear what we want to hear. True self-reflection like this is the key.

The responses still were a good wakeup call for me. I have a lot of issues I need to work on resolving. I've been harboring a lot of negative thoughts lately and I need to work on forgiving myself and others even though they may behave in ways that may annoy me.
 

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And I was cool with her wanting to meet next week until she got all defensive when all I said was ask me 5 questions. I was hoping to develop a rapport that way and build a better connection so come next week she would be looking forward to meeting me. What do you recommend is a proper time frame until I ask for the meet?
Hey bro, time frame for scheduling a meet totally depends on a variety of factors such as the physical attraction between you two, rapport/comfort built and the frame you set up. Some guys can do this very quickly, while others take a bit longer. I think you went wrong when you asked her to ask you 5 questions. Instead you should've flipped the script on her and started making her work for your attention. Maybe this is stuff you already know, but remember esp on a dating site, they don't know jack about you, so you gotta stand out and quickly.

The advice about my conversation lacking proper qualification and overdoing the C&F is probably correct. I'm taking it to heart and I appreciate the advice from Mike, Slickster, Atom, Floyd, Backbreaker (I apologize for the insult), and you too PIMP.
Cool cool bro, no worries; maybe you were just worked up a bit when you made the original post, but yeah I was like "damn bro, chill out!" haha

But I mean seriously, meeting people is supposed to be fun and light-hearted and now I feel like I have to suit up for f*cking battle every time I just want to have a normal conversation with someone who happens to have a vagina.
Your sub-concious thoughts definitely have an affect on how your behave in any given situation. Meaning if you are about to go out to a bar and you think its going to be lame night.....guess what? Its probably going to be a lame night.

Instead recognize this for what it is; a flaw in your current game model. Something that needs adjusting and most likely can be easily corrected with a concentrated effort.


My attitude may have sucked in this particular interaction but honestly man you don't know how many times I just "let it go" with women who gave me sh*t and I just decided to be a better person and not let it get to me.
See maybe this is where we think differently, but if stuff like this was repeatedly happening to me, I'd stop and think; "hmmm, clearly there is something I'm doing wrong in this whole courtship process. If its on a dating site and the girl is checking out my profile, I know she likes what she sees. So if it goes south during the initial chat, then recognition of exactly where and why its going wrong is necessary to correct it.

I mean I can imagine how you must feel if this goes down on the regular, that definitely sucks. But that's why this board is here; try and break down where its going wrong for you. You gotta keep adding skills to your game and improving in the areas your not as strong in.

I've been flaked on multiple times and didn't say anything to show I was upset. Heck I had two women blow me off on Friday night and kept my cool even though they were making it very clear they weren't into me.
Lets figure out WHY your getting blown out by multiple women on a regular basis. If your average conversation goes anything like what you posted above, then its easy to see why. I'm going to assume this was not the norm for you.

if she's not interested then there's no need for them to get all defensive and uppity.
Not in your mind; but in a girl's mind she HAS TO. Reason being, she gets approached, hit on by more than her share of losers, even an average looking girl does; so in order to weed out the chumps from the real men they HAVE TO almost go in b-i-t-c-h mode, even though its likely not close to who they really are.

I don't want you guys to think I'm just losing it every time things don't go my way but we all have our limits.
I don't anymore, I did for a second there though! haha

it really turned me off and I couldn't care less if she wanted me at that point.
If that were true, you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself and went into the diatribe like rant to get in the last word. I agree, she sounded kinda whatever, but no need to even keep the conversation going. Just stop replying.

I mean what kind of person says that kinda thing she says to someone she doesn't even know? I mean yeah it was cheesy thing for me to ask her but hey what interaction with two strangers ever goes smoothly?

This is where your lack of game is causing your emotions to get involved. Figure out how to be better the next time your in this situation. As a man you gotta lead the conversation; you didn't really lead here, you directed the way you wanted the conversation to go, but there wash't any comfort or rapport yet, so she threw you the privileged mentality. You could have still re-directed it by re-engaging, then controlling the frame.

I guess my takeaway from all this is

1. Qualify, Qualify, Qualify
2. Only build rapport after she has submitted to your frame
3. Don't jump the gun too soon. Be patient
4. Be nice to the other posters here :)

haha!! Yeah bro, now your thinking with your head on straight.


Props for man-ing up! Reps








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backbreaker said:
lol what exactly did she do wrong? 21 questions is **** I did back in jr high. that'ts not things grown people play. even more so the whole peeling onion thing. make themw onder about you. lol you are begging the woman to ask questions about you that's silly and it devalues the time when she can actually meet you.

I mean, there are **** test and but I mean half of you just don't have a lick of game and then get insulted when women call you out on it. this is the latter. she did nothing worth going off on her for.
Ouch...


My only question SSType...did you really have fun with this? You seem mad. Judging by the length of the last reply in OP, you seemed invested in the conversation.

It's something I struggle with too, letting b*tch women get under my skin.

Sosuave needs more threads about dealing with attractive, but rude women.
 

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Marvin Gaye said:
Ouch...


My only question SSType...did you really have fun with this? You seem mad. Judging by the length of the last reply in OP, you seemed invested in the conversation.

It's something I struggle with too, letting b*tch women get under my skin.

Sosuave needs more threads about dealing with attractive, but rude women.
You really can't - unless you develop a thick enough skin that you don't give a ****, and dish it right back. But what does that accomplish? Being an ******* won't stop a ***** from being a *****. They might be attracted to you - being that like attracts like - but they're still going to be *****es. *****es will always be *****es. Even after they get their asses beat repeatedly - they still don't stop being *****es. They usually become even worse of *****es.

The best way to deal with them is to avoid them. Don't get caught up in their BS. *****es love to fight and cause problems. It's an insecurity issue, really. They're desperate to feel important and wanted, so they cause problems for everyone else, and drag them into the chaos. They also like to be right, and one-up on everyone else. They don't stop fighting until they win - then, they fight some more. Always some BS drama with them. They're a waste of time and space. Don't get dragged down to their level. They're not worth it.
 

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Marvin Gaye said:
Sosuave needs more threads about dealing with attractive, but rude women.
In my book, there's no such thing as an "attractive, but rude" woman.

Attractive women aren't rude.
 

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sstype said:
Backbreaker you're a married old man at 28 so I take your advice on "game" with a grain of salt.
Now wait a second here. Married old man at 28? backbreaker has been around the block in life way more than most guys twice his age. He is wiser than his years.

I actually agree with him. Nevertheless sstype, I agree that we should not put up with sh!t from the entitlement princesses. But you did come down on her a bit hard and I think both of you may have taken what was said in these text/email exchanges out of context a bit.
 

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She out played you, playa.

1. Get of the Internet....any HB2 is queen of England. And from my experience you have to be way too ****y and way too aloof to score some points. Only a desperate guy wouldn't for you can't even see the girl and you have 10 other convos going....right?

2. You got too eager too soon. See #1. And she smelled it.

3. Your 'I'm the playa and she's just a biatch' attitude afterwards is quite lame. But I can read you have some introspection finally, so props for that. It's supposed to be fun...not a war.

The problem is not shyt tests or arrogant biatches. It is always you.

Good luck next time.
 

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sstype said:
I have a lot of issues I need to work on resolving. I've been harboring a lot of negative thoughts lately and I need to work on forgiving myself and others even though they may behave in ways that may annoy me.
Wow. Just wow. You don't see that every day. Major props for that.
Shyt tests are there for a reason. When they get you of balance, there is something wrong. Mostly when you live a life of delusional mind. Adopting an identity of a playa in order to appear strong to others...and yourself. Ego keeps score. Ego feels threatened by disrespect. Ego is stupid. Ego is fear.
 

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sstype said:
So I was chatting up this girl from okcupid which reminded me again why I won't put up with stupid b.s. from anyone.

This fairly attractive girl viewed my profile. She was a single mother and I figured heck why not get a conversation going.

Me: You pulled a fire alarm? You're such a badass. (she was talking about the craziest thing she's done on her profile)

Her: Yeah I don't wanna toot my own horn but I am a pretty badass chick...although I only pulled the fire alarm because I was the only one with enough common sense to think of it when there was an out of control fire 2 foot from the building and they were trying to evacuate the building but it was pretty awesome.

-Ok so far so good....I just figure I play along and keep it lighthearted

Me: So not only you're a badass you're also a hero. I'm blinded by your awesomeness.

Her: Yeah I usually have that effect on people. It's not easy being more awesome than most people but someone's got to do it lol

-Ok so I'm getting the feeling this chick is a little full of herself. I haven't got any questions about me back. She's not really invested in this interaction (obviously because she's being entertained by 1000 other guys as well) I figure instead of wasting time trying to pry a conversation out of her I just go for the kill.

Me: Well you have me sold.....congratulations....where do I sign up for a date?

Her: I could possibly pencil you in sometime the week after next week I'm going out of town next week

-At this point, I can tell she's not really that interested or excited about me. A week from now she's not even going to remember who the hell I am.
I decide to force her hand and make her invest a little in getting to know me.

Me: Great. That's enough time for me to get to know you in the meantime.

What are some things you want to know about me? Ask me 5 questions

Her: I don't really play 21 questions that's one of the worst ways to get to know someone and to be honest I really wouldn't even pay attention to your answers of the superficial questions I'd ask...

-Ok so now she's showed me a few things
I think a lot of you guys are overanalyzing this whole thing. I only read the first page so im sorry if someone already said this. The ENTIRE conversation on her side has been nothing but ****y&funny until her last response, the only difference is it is in writing and not verbalized so you can't see the smile on her face. Your last message here was when the entire thing slapped you right in the face. "That's enough time to get to know you in the meantime" was where you busted out your inner Beta/AFC and she flipped it right in your face. Really, you wan't to get to know her via the internet? Your response to her pencling in reply should have been a date/time when you should of told her you will be at X with some friends and she should come along or something of that nature.

Please someone tell me if I am wrong, cause its obviously all C&F until this point where our OP lost his game and wen't downhill.
 

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I hate to say this because I respect you as a poster, but it looks to me like you threw a tantrum. What's worse, you really wasted a lot of time writing that nasty reply.

I would say she was being ****y and funny rather than full of herself. Maybe she was playing a bit aloof too. In fact, she wasn't doing anything worse than us guys do on this forum.

Maybe she wasn't interested, but was just being polite in answering. She did nothing wrong there and didn't deserve to be snapped at. Plus I think it showed a real lack of control and composure on your part.
 

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sstype said:
PIMP I thought the advice here towards online dating was geared towards getting the number and date as soon as possible otherwise she would lose interest from other, maybe better guys, messaging her.

I have always argued that this is one of the biggest mistakes in the PUA community. Seduction should never be rushed. It takes time to work past a girl's defences, build rapport, build comfort, sexual tension and so on.

I like to think of seduction it like changing gears in a car. You can't just jump from 1st gear to 5th. You need to work upto it. You will get a feeling when it's time to move up a gear...and another, so that you're always moving gradually forward and faster.

Your 5 questions thing would've worked after a bit more groundwork, but it was too soon. You asking her out was also too soon.

This is why I totally disgregard the PUA believe that you must act within a timeframe. It can come off as desperate and gives a girl no time to get a feel for who you are.

As for other guys. If you can build a strong rapport with a girl, it will trump what most other guys have to offer.
 

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Jariel said:
I have always argued that this is one of the biggest mistakes in the PUA community. Seduction should never be rushed. It takes time to work past a girl's defences, build rapport, build comfort, sexual tension and so on.

I like to think of seduction it like changing gears in a car. You can't just jump from 1st gear to 5th. You need to work upto it. You will get a feeling when it's time to move up a gear...and another, so that you're always moving gradually forward and faster.

Your 5 questions thing would've worked after a bit more groundwork, but it was too soon. You asking her out was also too soon.

This is why I totally disgregard the PUA believe that you must act within a timeframe. It can come off as desperate and gives a girl no time to get a feel for who you are.

As for other guys. If you can build a strong rapport with a girl, it will trump what most other guys have to offer.
Jariel I agree. I always do my best when I SLOW DOWN. I don't get the PUA advice either. If anything most guys come on way too strong (I'm guilty of this myself). Sure there are guys out there who are too gun-shy to make a move but I think they are a very small minority. I know for myself that I struggle with NOT rushing, because I'm naturally an impatient and impulsive guy. I have no problem "closing" but more times than not when I pull the trigger too soon it ruins the vibe.

When I manage to find that sweet spot between aggressive yet slightly restrained it works wonders. The challenge is not going too far in either direction.

Great feedback guys. I needed it.
 

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Jariel said:
I hate to say this because I respect you as a poster, but it looks to me like you threw a tantrum. What's worse, you really wasted a lot of time writing that nasty reply.
Yeah, it was definitely uncalled for.

I've been in an edgy and confrontational mood lately due to mainly due to work-related stress. Plus i finally broke things off with my ex who I had been sleeping with and am still getting used to not having her around as my safety blanket. Add a string of flakes and rejections which I properly handled by just moving on.....and the attitude from this latest girl was the spark that lit my fuse.

Such is the nature of the game, it will have its ups and downs. The only constant is how we choose to handle and react to it.
 

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Yeah, it was definitely uncalled for.

I've been in an edgy and confrontational mood lately due to mainly due to work-related stress. Plus i finally broke things off with my ex who I had been sleeping with and am still getting used to not having her around as my safety blanket. Add a string of flakes and rejections which I properly handled by just moving on.....and the attitude from this latest girl was the spark that lit my fuse.

Such is the nature of the game, it will have its ups and downs. The only constant is how we choose to handle and react to it.
It happens to us all at some point mate and it can be hard stopping yourself from spiralling down, but it's really great that you realise it and you're open to advice.

Keep your chin up man and hopefully things will start coming together again.
 

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Stress will make you explode when you don't expect it. Life's under control but the aggravations pile up, then BOOM... some poor girl who thought she could give you a mildly disrespectful brush off gets both barrels. Gotta watch that!

Try and find some activities that center you, it'll help. Lots of time off is best but it's not always available.
 
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