Serious Situation Need advice badly

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hansol said:
You want to know how to handle this?

Smarten up and grow a pair man. See what's in front of your eyes. I know it's a tough time right now, but seriously dude.

She's nuts. She's moved on. She's chosen some other whackjob in place of you.

Be thankful you dodged that bullet.

(And I seriously doubt you're 25+ years old. Nobody over 19 gives a crap about whom they lost their virginity to. Smarten up.)
I'm not sure why people keep thinking I'm trying to get back with this girl. In my eyes, she's done. there's no going back. It's over. How many times do I need to say this? I could never be with someone I don't trust. Trust is shot. To the curb she goes.

My concern is how she's duping this other guy. What if she tells him a lie sometime down the road that I raped her or something like that. Then I have some psycho on my ass. Right now, He can get the truth from me. Shes doing to this guy exactly what she did to me, except he's overseas and she met him a lot earlier.

I'm over 25 actually, but thanks for being needlessly insulting. You wouldn't understand because you never held onto it as long as I did.
 

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Jayer said:
I've been in a similar situation before (nowhere near as AFC) but where I was angered by a girl I felt betrayed my emotions....

You know what, fvck it and send the guy the anonymous message! I'm not saying it will convince him as I'm sure he is head over heels for this girl.... but at least you let it out and will feel better. If he doesn't heed your warning then he is the sucker
Yes no doubt this was AFC. I've never had a girlfriend before and I was naive. I paid the price. I got unlucky and ran into this whackjob to boot.

I want to send the guy a message, but I'm sure he'd forward it to her and she'd just tell him it was me or something. I'd have to withhold a lot of information from this dude or it would give me away, which defeats the purpose.

I just hate to see someone else getting Fed over just like I did and it's happening in front of my eyes and I can stop it. It just feels wrong to stand by and do nothing while this skank gets what she wants (marriage slavery and a baby daddy with support!).
 

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Obliteraga said:
My concern is how she's duping this other guy. What if she tells him a lie sometime down the road that I raped her or something like that. Then I have some psycho on my ass. Right now, He can get the truth from me. Shes doing to this guy exactly what she did to me, except he's overseas and she met him a lot earlier..
Telling him may make the situation worse.

Put yourself in his place --who is he going to believe ?

1. He gets some info from you that shakes him up. After all, you are bad mouthing the woman that he loves, and take it from me, some soldiers have a whacked sense of protectiveness and loyalty towards women.
When you are deployed, all you have are memories and a fantasy about how good it wiil be when you are shipped home to HER .

2. So he immediately calls his "Goddess" and tells her what you said about her.. She has her whole future hanging on him so she tells him that you are a psycho stalker nutso loonie evil creeper who is desperately in love with her and just won't leave her alone. Goddess pleads with grunt to " protect me ...I'm scared "

3. GI Grunt comes after your azz as soon as he steps off the bus.
Multiple 9mm hits at close range can spoil your whole day.

Think carefully before you say or do something that may put you in harm's way.
 
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It appears obvious that the people here aren't going to convince the OP that he should leave the situation. And he sure isn't going to convince the people here that he should be a White Knight and save the other dude.

So this thread is done. OP, you've gotten plenty of input here. Do whatcha like.
 

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You have nothing to gain from contacting this Bill guy.

...oh, and I am another guy that will tell you to put a lot of physical distance between you and this situation.
 

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IF you want to risk telling this guy, him calling up the girl, her telling him you're a psycho stalker who is threatening her, him coming home and putting a bullet in your head......go ahead. Knock yourself out and tell the guy. If that's what your into. Or......

You could eliminate all contact that you have with her, with him, and everything. And move on with your life and eliminate this DRAMA from your life. I would be scared sh1tless either this guy or this girl, or both, will be knocking on your door soon ready to cut off your ****. Get the hell out of anything and everything that has to do with this situation and DO NOT LOOK back.

Bro, getting with a 7 month pregnant girl? Who is a drug addict? Are you that desperate? Cmon. Get yourself together and start over.
 

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This is sooooo over the top it seems likely to be a TROLL....BUT....if not ....here goes.......

To the OP----

STOP WITH THE WHITE KNIGHT BS.....

You owe her nothing and you can't save her....

You owe the next guy in her life nothing and you can't save him either.....

At this point you'll be lucky to get out of this deal yourself.....

Like everyone else has said ....

RUN THE F*CK AWAY AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.......

SAVE YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......

Remember as in most White Knight Situations YOU are 50% of this problem.....

You can't help it you were raised wrong and lied to regarding women.......

So was I as were most guys on this forum......

RUN AWAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Danger said:
You have already decided that you will contact this guy, regardless of the advice given to you by MANY experienced men in this thread.

All this is for you now is a therapy session, which I am unwilling to give to someone who will not listen.

Good luck mate, you are going to need it.

No brother, I am absolutely listening to everyone's advice in this thread. I'm just trying to weigh everything as much as possible to make the best decision I can.

Don't confuse this with me not listening to advice. I am taking all of this to heart. I've been reading this forum for a while so all of your opinions mean a lot to me.


jophil28 said:
Telling him may make the situation worse.

Put yourself in his place --who is he going to believe ?

1. He gets some info from you that shakes him up. After all, you are bad mouthing the woman that he loves, and take it from me, some soldiers have a whacked sense of protectiveness and loyalty towards women.
When you are deployed, all you have are memories and a fantasy about how good it wiil be when you are shipped home to HER .

2. So he immediately calls his "Goddess" and tells her what you said about her.. She has her whole future hanging on him so she tells him that you are a psycho stalker nutso loonie evil creeper who is desperately in love with her and just won't leave her alone. Goddess pleads with grunt to " protect me ...I'm scared "

3. GI Grunt comes after your azz as soon as he steps off the bus.
Multiple 9mm hits at close range can spoil your whole day.

Think carefully before you say or do something that may put you in harm's way.
Excellent post, and the most convincing.

I do believe that not contacting this guy is the best course of action.

Just to play devil's advocate and consider all sides though: Wha twould you think of the possibility of this girl telling "bill" somewhere down the road that I did something horrible to her, thereby only feeding him a lie (as opposed to getting the truth FIRST from me) and exploiting his military loyalty? A preemptive strike if you will? This dude is already paranoid that she's cheating on him. What if she's afraid I come out of the woodwork and say something to him and ruin her "dream?"

boomerick said:
To the OP----

STOP WITH THE WHITE KNIGHT BS.....

You owe her nothing and you can't save her....

You owe the next guy in her life nothing and you can't save him either.....

At this point you'll be lucky to get out of this deal yourself.....

Like everyone else has said ....

RUN THE F*CK AWAY AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.......

SAVE YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......

Remember as in most White Knight Situations YOU are 50% of this problem.....

You can't help it you were raised wrong and lied to regarding women.......
I am not playing white knight. I'm looking out for myself right now. I'm looking for the best possible way to defuse this situation and I'm thinking just cutting all contact is the way to go.
 

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cordoncordon said:
You could eliminate all contact that you have with her, with him, and everything. And move on with your life and eliminate this DRAMA from your life. I would be scared sh1tless either this guy or this girl, or both, will be knocking on your door soon ready to cut off your ****. Get the hell out of anything and everything that has to do with this situation and DO NOT LOOK back.

Bro, getting with a 7 month pregnant girl? Who is a drug addict? Are you that desperate? Cmon. Get yourself together and start over.
This whole thing makes me nervous for sure, otherwise I wouldn't have posted this. Like I said I believe it's a serious situation.

It's been brought up once in this thread, but this girl seems to be a textbook bpd/cluster B. I never DREAMED I would get with a pregnant girl. Never ever. I am NOT that desperate. She basically won me over with all the personality traits these BPD nutcases know and love. They stroke the ego and make you feel so good about yourself, accept everything about you, play the "perfect girl" to a T, and the list goes on.

As for the drug thing, I didn't find out about that until much later. I would've never gotten with her had I known about that initially, but by the time I found out, I was already hooked.
 

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You are the situation......

When you leave and cut all contact....

The situation is over.....
 

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Obliteraga said:
Just to play devil's advocate and consider all sides though: Wha twould you think of the possibility of this girl telling "bill" somewhere down the road that I did something horrible to her, thereby only feeding him a lie (as opposed to getting the truth FIRST from me) and exploiting his military loyalty? A preemptive strike if you will? This dude is already paranoid that she's cheating on him.
Why do you think this GI would ever believe anything you say? I get the feeling that you may be hiding something. Just run and try and forget these people. Lesson learned.
 

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I'm not sure why people keep thinking I'm trying to get back with this girl. In my eyes, she's done. there's no going back. It's over. How many times do I need to say this? I could never be with someone I don't trust. Trust is shot. To the curb she goes.

My concern is how she's duping this other guy. What if she tells him a lie sometime down the road that I raped her or something like that. Then I have some psycho on my ass. Right now, He can get the truth from me. Shes doing to this guy exactly what she did to me, except he's overseas and she met him a lot earlier.

I'm over 25 actually, but thanks for being needlessly insulting. You wouldn't understand because you never held onto it as long as I did.

I read your OP and was overwhelmed by the amount of red flags ALL OVER the place. Needless to say, you have me convinced (for your sake) that the situation with her is OVER.

I hope so.

And I know you are concerned about her duping the new guy, but that is NOT your problem. You will NOT be able to control what she says about you. You say that he can get the truth from you... but if you are so strung on the fact that she's lying to him, don't you think she'll lie to him in a way to make it sound like you are just the crazy and jealous ex? Don't you think she'd brain wash him into NOT believing you?

By coming forward to him, you gain... NOTHING.

By walking away from this situation and being you silent... you LOSE nothing.

Let the situation be. Be the better man and move on. He can believe whatever he wants to beleive, but the longer you fester and marinate in this situation, the more foul it'll become. You will NOT be the pill that wakes him up from the Matrix. Let him learn the hard way.

But YOU must eject ENTIRELY out of the situation.
Consider him a flatlining patient that you can't do anything for anymore. He's gone, stop trying to revive him, stop trying to hit him with the defibs. Just write a big RIP over his head and be glad that YOU are dodging this bullet.

I've seen many threads here where people want to warn the NEXT guy ... but in hopes of what? And it never turns out the way THEY thought it would go. They think we live in some Hollywood script where the other guy will be grateful... the two will become best friends and share many beers.

This is real life.

The sooner you get over the idea of trying to "help" him out, the better are your chances at moving on.

EJECT entirely.
Your problem is now his problem.
 

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Dude, you're deceiving yourself...

Ever heard of the following mechanism? A kid gets treated like shit by his parents... 20 years later, he's become a social worker, the guy helps kids who are being treated just like he was treated when he was a kid. Why? Because when he's saving those kids, subconsciously, he's saving himself.

Same mechanism applies to you being so determined to "save" this "Bill" dude. You're trying to convince yourself that you're doing it for his sake, but you're really not. This is obvious from your ambivalence: One moment you say you do it for his sake, the other moment you say you do it to prevent her from turning him against you in the future.

You trying to safe yourself by saving "Bill" is really the only reason you are reluctant to run away from the situation. Now that several people have explained to you that you can't safe "Bill" anyway, you try to hold onto it in some other way. You try to convince yourself that it would still make sense to explain the truth to "Bill", so now you justify it with "that way I can prevent her from turning him against me"..but that's just an excuse you make up for yourself: deep down inside, you really just wanna tell him the truth in the hope that you can save him (and with that, safe yourself).

Another subconscious mechanism at play here, is the following: If you can somehow convince "Bill" of the truth, he'll do what's right for himself and stay away from this bitch. That way, your hurting will be reduced. Why? Because she cheated on you..she betrayed you..with him! You wanted to be happy with her, now he is going to be happy with her instead of you! If only you could find a way to mess that up... If you can't have her, he can't have her..that would ease your pain somewhat, wouldn't it? Yeah, but you don't wanna admit this to yourself because you think you should be above such tactics... So your subconscious is trying to trick you into doing it after all, by making you believe that you're doing it with another motive: "this way I can prevent her from turning him against me in the future". But it's all bullshit, dude. You're not gonna save him from her and you're not gonna prevent her from turning him against you in the future. You really think it's that difficult for her to turn him against you, even though you pre-emptively tell him the truth? (which, as others have explained, he won't accept anyway) She'll just distort what you've told him, add her own lies and manipulate his mind just as she pleases. And the more you try to convince him of the real truth, the more of a threat you'll be to her...thus, giving her all the more reason to neutralize you and perhaps use psycho-soldier for this... So the best thing to do, is convince her that you won't interfere with her and "Bill", therefor you should run away from the whole situation and never even so much as glimpse back over your shoulder. But right now, you're preventing yourself from doing that because you're a slave of your subconscious motives... SNAP THE FVCK OUT OF IT!

And yeah, the alternative isn't a very attractive one.. It means you have to leave her behind and accept your loss: You've been had! You've been emotionally abused! And whatever hopes/dreams you had for her and you..they're gone! You'll have to suck it up and that's gonna be painful... Perhaps "Bill" will even be able to give her something that you couldn't, perhaps she will marry him and be happy with him without having the need to cheat on him? Perhaps he will succeed where you failed, because he's a "jerk" who will make her long for him continually, while you were a "nice guy" who did everything for her and she payed you back by treating you like sh!t. These kind of thoughts might haunt you and make you feel miserable. You'll have to go through this, you'll feel like a bruised and battered man lying on the ground, trying to get back up... Not a very attractive prospect, but an inevitable propsect, nevertheless.. Sure, it's natural to try to postpone it! As long as you don't give up the fight (even though it's lost), you won't have to deal with defeat. As long as you somehow stay IN this situation with her and "Bill", you'll stay OUT of the situation as described above. But like I said, it's inevitable. You've lost and you shouldn't try to hold on to the situation, not by trying to convince "Bill" of the truth, not by trying to confront her with her evilness and the pain she caused you, not in any way. The guy sitting in the casino behind the slot machine, who's already thrown most of his family's savings into the machine and just keeps losing more...as long as he keeps throwing in more of his savings and pretend to himself that there's a chance he'll win everything back, he won't have to deal with his loss. Only when he steps away from the machine and walks outside and stands on the pavement, that's when it will hit him! That's when he'll break down and cry, realizing his life is destroyed. But he tries to prevent this moment from happening, by keep sitting behind the slot machine, trying to ban the realization that he's lost from his mind: as long as the machine occupies his attention, the terrible realization won't be able to enter his consciousness... And as long as you somehow stay involved in this situation with that bitch and "Bill", and let it occupy your attention, you will prevent the terrible realization (that you lost and will have to go through a rough time dealing with it) from entering your consciousness.

So like I said: snap out of it! Be a man, accept your loss and move on. We've all been there, we've all suffered, we know what it's like. You can talk about it here, you can share your sadness and depression here, we will support you and try to help you get through it. But in order to heal, move on and improve yourself, you have to give up this situation. Fvck her, fvck "Bill", fvck it all. You're out of this situation, NOW!
 
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Obliteraga said:
Ok, some background. so I began dating a pregnant girl (who was around 7 months at the time) for around 8 months ago. We hit it off good. We got along well and within a few weeks she was telling me she loved me.
This is already a disaster in the making.

Incredibly affectionate and nice, seemed to like me quite a bit. She said she couldn't believe how fast she fell in love with me. This was one of the few girls who seemed to accept me for everything that I was.
So in other words, you couldn't get another girl, and decided that this "easy" one was the only good thing that was likely to come along??

We became boyfriend and girlfriend. This was the first girlfriend I've ever had and I was a virgin at the time. Obviously I have no experience with this. Eventually, she delivered the baby, and I was one of the few people to show up at the hospital to comfort her after she had given birth. They even took a picture of me with the baby like I was the father or something (I wasn't, I'd never had sex with her)
This is going from bad to worse. You can't see that you're getting clowned at this point??

You are coming to visit your girlfriend of two months after she has a baby that is not even yours. This is pathetic. You should not be there. You should not even be involved.

Later on, while we were talking, this girl (my girlfriend) began telling me some of her deep dark secrets. She used to do coke and smoke marijuana and participate in threesomes. She then tells me that the current guy who she says is the baby's father is most likely not the real father at all. She claims she dated a guy around 9 months ago who brutally raped her. This, she said, was who she believed the father was.
See what happens when you just settle for whatever accepts you?

You are in this mess because you refused to have some self-respect, improve your marketability to women, and seek out other prospects. You are stuck with women who will "take anyone", because they are so damaged that nobody wants them.

The rape is a horrible thing, but honestly, given the company she keeps (druggies, etc), it was probably bound to happen sooner or later.

Fast forward a couple months. She goes to get a DNA test to see if this is indeed the case. Apparently, she was correct, and this first dude (the one who showed up at the hospital thinking he was the dad) was NOT the actual father. Thus, I assumed the guy who raped her was the actual father. She never spoke with him.
This should all be none of your business. Anyone with half a brain and a shred of self-respect would be GONE at this point in time. Why are you still in this situation??

She understandably does not want to reconcile with this rapist guy, so I resume the relationship as normal. I spend weekends over her house, help her take care of the baby, run errands, and yes, even spend money on her (though we split a lot of things, so I didn't totally chump out here.)
LOL...everything you have done so far with regard to this girl, from the initial "romance" to right now, has been "totally chumping out". This is a miserable situation you are in, my friend, and you have set yourself up for it every step of the way.

Everything you have done here is a precise and emphatic example of what NOT to do. You could not be making more mistakes if you were trying. Do not kid yourself that you have done anything well with regard to this situation.

You are being abused by a bad situation. Stand up and have some self-respect, dammit! Why are you allowing this woman to clown you??

I did everything with her. Went to house parties, drank, clubbed, bar hopped, watched movies, etc.
Soooo...she has an infant child, and she's skipping out on him/her to drink/party/go clubbing. Quality.

Fast forward once again a few months. I notice she's always getting text messages from random guys. she even takes calls from one in particular. At first this raises my red flags, but she assures me over and over again they're nothing to worry about. Everything's fine she says. I tell her I'm extremely worried and she comforts me by kissing me passionately and getting all sexual. I feel like she's telling me the truth, and I really wanted to believe it, but my instincts were telling me something is just not right at all. She doesn't act congruent with what she says. She claims she loves me but I see very little sign of it. She's reluctant to give head anymore (she did it all the time in the beginning). She seems cold and distant and she snaps at me. This is all mixed in with occasional affection.
Your instincts should've told you something was not right when you met her, she was pregnant, and she fell for you in 2 weeks.

At this point they are SCREAMING to you to get out, but you are ignoring them. WHY??

Of COURSE she's distant...because she can be, and she knows she can reel you back in at any time by showing just enough affection to make you doubt your own instincts. You KNOW she's a druggie, a slvt (not the good kind), and you KNOW she's screwing around.

When are you going to stand up for yourself? When are you going to say, "hey, I deserve better than this!"?

Now, this guy she seems to be talking on the phone the most with, we'll call him Bill, seems to be the most suspicious. She takes the call in front of me the first time, and this dude apparently hears my voice and says he hates me and wants to shoot me. I ask why she continues to talk to people who openly hate someone she supposedly loves, and she says he's just a good friend. Whatever. All the calls from then on out, she takes in another room where I can't hear.
Dude, you are pathetic. You really are. Why do you continue to tolerate this? Have you NO self-respect? Have you no sense of dignity left?? When are you going to stand up for yourself?

In the messages, she's telling him how he's her everything and she loves him (same thing she said to me) and she can't wait for him to SEE HIS DAUGHTER in a few months. And she badmouths me in there as well. This guy is stationed overseas in the military. I don't think her friends know this guy is the true father (if he even really is). But from the sounds of the messages, he's head over heels for her and PLANS TO MARRY HER IN A FEW MONTHS WHEN HE RETURNS FROM ACTIVE DUTY. She can't wait for him to put the ring on her finger she says! She misses him so much! Apparently this guy knows who I am but I don't think she's told him she's "seeing me." It was pretty sickening to read

I guess at this point I have to ask what I should do. I want to tell this guy she's been messing around on him,
Tell him that she's screwing around?? Are you a vag!na?? Because that's what conniving little cvnts do when they're competing for a man. Are you a cvnt?? When are you going to start acting like a man??

What should you DO?? What should you DO??!! The same thing you SHOULD have done since the BEGINNING!!

1) Leave this situation. Entirely. Disappear. Drop contact completely. File a restraining order if needs be. Get away from her and everything miserable she is bringing into your life.

2) Figure out what you need to do to regain your dignity and self-respect. Start asking yourself how you were foolish enough to get into this situation, and what you can do to correct it. Start thinking about how to put together a life better than what you are subjecting yourself to now.

I do know she didn't mention anything romantic between me and her in the messages to him, and this guy was just gushing over her and wants to marry her and was sending her song lyrics that "expressed their love." It was absolutely disgusting.
No more disgusting than what you are doing. Honestly, reading your story disgusts me more than hearing about love-songs.

I apologize if this is rather convoluted but my head is spinning right now and I'm a mmess and I feel nauseous. My world has been turned upside down and I don't know how I'm going to recover from this.
You set yourself up for this. You recover from this by having some respect for yourself and getting away. FAR away.


I know I obviously have to cut things off (to say the least) but I feel like justice needs to be served.
Justice HAS been served. You acted like a pathetic b!tch and you got played like one. That's justice in the REAL world. He will get his when he comes back to this slvt and she plays him just like she played you. His justice is none of your damned business. NONE of this is your business. It wasn't from day one. When are you going to get your nose out of it??

I was thinking about sending an anonymous message claiming to not be any of the parties involved to this "bill" explaining the situation to him, but I don't know if that's wise or not. I also want to at least confront her about this, and I'm not sure how I should go about letting her know how I know. I also don't want some love-blinded military dude on my ass either.

I really need advice here. I'm at a loss.

I might have left some things out as I'm still stunned by this, so if there are any questions, please let me know.
Here's how you get out of it...you tell her, "I'm done. I owe myself better than this. I've let you screw me over way more than I deserve and I'm walking. Don't ever contact me again. Best of luck...goodbye."

Then you end this travesty. Entirely.

Then you click here: http://www.jbspencer.com/djb/

Then you start learning how to regain your masculine dignity.
 

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why are you so intent on helping Bill out. Why would you care what happens to him when he wants to shoot you? I mean seriously?
you're just finding a way to stay with her. better get out b4 you get her pregnant, then you'll be up the creek without a paddle.

btw. there's nothing wrong with dating single moms. just have to screen out the bad ones; espcially one with a crazy story like yours.

I think you're a "nice guy" who found a some one with a situation that needed fixing. That's what nice guy's do. You know what else nice guys do? they finish last. and you're definitely finishing last in this situation.
 

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Obliteraga said:
I'm not sure why people keep thinking I'm trying to get back with this girl. In my eyes, she's done. there's no going back. It's over. How many times do I need to say this? I could never be with someone I don't trust. Trust is shot. To the curb she goes.

My concern is how she's duping this other guy. What if she tells him a lie sometime down the road that I raped her or something like that. Then I have some psycho on my ass. Right now, He can get the truth from me. Shes doing to this guy exactly what she did to me, except he's overseas and she met him a lot earlier.

I'm over 25 actually, but thanks for being needlessly insulting. You wouldn't understand because you never held onto it as long as I did.
The reason people are suspicious about you wanting to get back with her is because you are insisting on letting the other guy know she was with you. People suspect that your motive for wanting to do that is hoping that the other guy will dump her and that she will run back to you.

The other guy won't believe you because he will think the same thing people here do...that you just want to get him out of the picture to free the way for you.

Just leave and leave it alone. Move on with your life and in the future don't rush into a relationship until you know the other person better.
 

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LOL. There's a saying in Spanish that translates into something like:

"There is no worse blind than he who does not want to see."

Obliteraga, I hope you don't get shot...

Good luck! :)
 
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