Selfish, shy, or otherwise...

[squirrels]

...I've run across a couple of girls lately who don't seem to "reciprocate".

I usually enjoy eating a girl's p***y...I'm good at it, and I want to make sure they get off. Back in the day, most girls would reciprocate and either f**k or suck me off.

Nowadays, I'm running across a lot of them who, once they get theirs, they're "done". Maybe it's because I'm moving on them too early, usually 1st or 2nd date, and they're shy. Maybe they're just selfish. Not really sure...but one thing I HAVEN'T figured out is how to "get mine" if the girl doesn't go for it right away.

I don't want to be like the, "suck me beautiful" guy from American Pie. I thought about moving her hand down there, but I've done that before and I don't want her to recoil out of anxiety. Or should I just outright tell her what I want?

I'm not sure how to handle it smoothly without breaking the flow of the moment. I don't want it to be awkward.

I'm thinking maybe once I'm "down there" on her and she starts getting into it I should just rubber up and f**k her right then. Just a shame some of these girls don't appreciate both giving/receiving oral.

 

[Bluntmaster]

Jesus man, you used to not even like dating and now you are eating chics out on the first date?

Haven't you heard that song Dr. Knockboots? Don't eat it the first date.

 

[squirrels]

Jesus man, you used to not even like dating and now you are eating chics out on the first date?

Haven't you heard that song Dr. Knockboots? Don't eat it the first date.

Never heard the song. Why's he say that?

I STILL don't like dating. I just wanna fool around. It seems like the girls want me to fool around WITH them but they don't wanna actually DO anything...again, can't tell whether they're lazy, selfish, or just shy.

So like I said, maybe I ought to just f**k 'em so I get off. Who knows. I try to be a good lover and make sure they 'get theirs' but I guess they're just dense.

 

[Bluntmaster]

Never heard the song. Why's he say that?

I STILL don't like dating. I just wanna fool around. It seems like the girls want me to fool around WITH them but they don't wanna actually DO anything...again, can't tell whether they're lazy, selfish, or just shy.

So like I said, maybe I ought to just f**k 'em so I get off. Who knows. I try to be a good lover and make sure they 'get theirs' but I guess they're just dense.

The song is by Nas and it's called Dr Knockboots. It's a good song go download it.

As for what you should do? After you eat her, go back up to her and give her a french kiss and then put her hand on your d!ck and you tell her "suck it".

Usually they will. If she doesn't, then she is shy or prude.

 

[Razor Sharp]

This problem is usually solved with a little preliminary coaching. While we are getting to know each other we talk about a lot of different topics and sex is not excluded. I let her know what I like and screen for. I like a good BJ and appreciate a woman who not only knows how to give one, but GETS OFF on doing it. (Chris Rock has a great routine on this, though I cant seem to youtube it.)

Basically I set the groundwork and if things escalate then she already knows what my expectations are. I never need to push her head down or "talk her into it". Also, I consider myself an artist when it comes to foreplay, I know just how much pleasure to dole out without sending them over the edge, to the point where their minds become totally disengaged and their inner freak comes out.

That said, some girls just aren't into the whole BJ thing no matter how much you warm them up. They find it "gross" or "degrading". In my book these women are undateable and immediately nexted (usually after I blow a nice chunky load on their face to remember me by)

I generally do try to treat head like a game of chicken - first one to cave loses . Seriously when it comes to brains I practice true "Ladies first" chivalry. And even then there is no guarantee that she will get blessed like that. Overall I think a woman has to earn that privilege, and maybe some of them would think you are a nasty pig if you are doing this so soon.. how many other coochies are you eating?? I like to know a girl for a while before she gets "The Special", in fact I wont enjoy it much till she's gotten tested for STDs - there are some dangerously nasty c*nts out there!

 

[squirrels]

Hmm...weird.

I've always used "head" as a way to get the girls used to being sexual with me without outright "having sex"...i.e. if I'm not actually f**king her, it's just "fooling around", so it doesn't put them in drama-mode and you don't get the, "what does this mean/what are we" kind of questions. Also it's more playful and there's generally less resistance.

You're looking at it from the opposite perspective, where oral is something MORE intimate that actually f**king.

That's lame...everything's a big drama-case when it comes to anything fun with these women. They'll be pretty, they'll have common interests, but when you ask 'em to actually DO anything with you, you always have to drag them along, they never do anything on their own to add to the enjoyment of the situation, and then when it comes to sex, they want you to do EVERYTHING and won't do anything because it's so "naughty" or they're shy or whatever it is.

This is starting to remind me why I didn't date for like 2 years. I miss the days when chicks WEREN'T lame.

 

[Razor Sharp]

Different strokes as they say. I personally find the act of eating a woman out MUCH more intimate. You don't get much more "in your face" than a crotch in your mouth. I mean you can f*ck a girl and still not kiss her. Face down, ass up, that's pure animal sh*t right there. I REALLY have to like a girl in order to make out with her genitals, lol.

As far as disarming them, I tend to do that with sheer patience and button pushing. I can read a woman's body like a book - as such I can tell when she is unraveling/surrendering herself fully and when there is the slightest bit of resistance. You can tell by the tension in her body, the eye contact, the signs are all there if you pay attention. This is valuable knowledge as you will see in a moment...

Unlike most guys I really enjoy foreplay, almost more than sex in certain cases. I don't feel like I need to "get anywhere" because the act of exploring her body IS "there", anything that happens is just a natural consequence that I feel no need to push - we both get swept along by the ecstasy.

If I find that this normal flow is blocked by a girl who just got burned or has a few hangups, then I will pull the ace out my sleeve - the pre-emptive LMR.

This is some f*cking gold A-game sh*t and I cant believe I'm sharing it but here goes.

When you are going at the foreplay, teasing, etc start turning the heat up gradually until it starts to get pretty intense. Right when it is at it's peak, pull back and tell her "Wow, I think maybe we should slow down, this is getting intense and I don't want to rush it"

Watch her reaction for it will be PRICELESS. She will be in shock but agree with you and you can start the foreplay up again. Dial it down a few notches and ramp the intensity up again and pull away right before you sense she is going to.

In my experience you only need to do this 2-3 times before she jumps on your c*ck. Frankly I am amazed at the amount of women who didn't care if I had a condom at this stage. I've always had to stop them to wrap up.

Give it a shot - I think you will be pleasantly surprised at how much resistance it will destroy. The key is in reading her body signals and knowing where her threshold peak is, and stopping RIGHT before you sense she is going to. This takes some practice but is not hard to do at all.

 

[drak_ool]

I usually enjoy eating a girl's p***y...I'm good at it, and I want to make sure they get off.

that s your mistake right there^^^

never get a girl off before she gave you something in exchange. I love to eat pvssy as well, but I always make sure I stop as she is on the verge of coming. At that point she is in such a state of excitement, she will do anything. Just simply lay on your back and gently push her head towards your crouch if she s not already attacking your cok. In the past 5 years I ve only had one girl that didnt wanna give me head right away (eventually i got her to do it).

The other option, which you alluded to, of just putting on the rubber and going for it is even easier as she will be begging you for it at that point.

In my book, never get a girl off orally BEFORE you busted a nut.

 

[squirrels]

The key is in reading her body signals and knowing where her threshold peak is, and stopping RIGHT before you sense she is going to. This takes some practice but is not hard to do at all.

Usually I can tell when they're actually THERE...but I have a hard time reading when they're "on approach". Some girls are more subtle than others, too...I typically wait for them to tell me to stop.

I could give it a try...just setting her up instead of getting her all the way off. Just seems like a shame. Like I said, 5-6 years ago, girls seemed to have better manners with regard to that...when you made them cvm, they were grateful and eager to show that they could satisfy YOU as well.

Now it's more like, "I'll let HIM do whatever, but *I* am not going to do anything slvtty."

Which is why I was thinking once she gets wound up on my tongue I should just put her on my d!ck instead...because I'm the one doing the "work". Getting her riled up enough to actually come after ME might be a little harder, especially if they're not inclined to do so.

I mean this one girl I've been seeing, I went down on her, and she was like, "Your turn" right afterward. Ended up f**king her by the end of the night. She'll actually say, "I want you inside me" at some point.

Another girl, I had my hand down her pants and she reached into mine and started jerking me, but when she came, she suddenly lost interest and "had to go" real quick...she acted somewhat flustered that we had gone "that far" on the 2nd date.

This latest one, had her over, went down on her, got HER off, then she looked like she was thinking about "returning the favor" but hesitated and I didn't want to make an issue out of it. I HAVE made an issue out of it before and the girl got awkward in a hurry. At one point I thought about just "suiting up" and f**king her, but like I said, her orgasm was a little more subtle and early, and like I said usually girls make me stop once they hit it (because they get more sensitive right after) so I know for sure. I think she was just a little shy still and nervous about being all sexual on date #2.

So it's not ALL girls...I just don't think they know what it does to a guy when he puts in work on her and she doesn't "return the favor". I mean, I like getting her off, but I'm no "living dildo". If that makes sense.

 

[Buddha_Mind]

Dude I've been there but this girl said (after I ate her out) that she "didn't give blow.jobs" -- honestly, some girls just think they are highly-entitled (this was one of them) and that they are above it or that it is somehow nasty or degrading...I don't get it...I think a down to earth chick understands the male appeal and would be willing...even if for your kicks alone...

 

[Big O]

Unlike most guys I really enjoy foreplay, almost more than sex in certain cases. I don't feel like I need to "get anywhere" because the act of exploring her body IS "there", anything that happens is just a natural consequence that I feel no need to push - we both get swept along by the ecstasy.

If I find that this normal flow is blocked by a girl who just got burned or has a few hangups, then I will pull the ace out my sleeve - the pre-emptive LMR.

This is some f*cking gold A-game sh*t and I cant believe I'm sharing it but here goes.

When you are going at the foreplay, teasing, etc start turning the heat up gradually until it starts to get pretty intense. Right when it is at it's peak, pull back and tell her "Wow, I think maybe we should slow down, this is getting intense and I don't want to rush it"

Nice tip, I was just thinking about how to get around LMR. I've read somewhat similar advice before, but this really clicked. It fits my personality too I think.

 

[Jitterbug]

Never had this problem. They're always eager to reciprocate straight away.

I'm thinking maybe once I'm "down there" on her and she starts getting into it I should just rubber up and f**k her right then. Just a shame some of these girls don't appreciate both giving/receiving oral

That's not a bad idea.

There's only one girl I can think of who didn't reciprocate straight away. I did exactly that (just fvck her) and she sucked me off afterwards.

The couple of girls who wouldn't blow me wouldn't let me go down on them either. They were the religious & inexperienced type though, and I didn't stick around long enough afterwards (not because of the sex) to see if there would be any improvement.

 

[runner83]

Don't s*ck em before you f*ck em...

 

[Bluntmaster]

The couple of girls who wouldn't blow me wouldn't let me go down on them either. They were the religious & inexperienced type though, and I didn't stick around long enough afterwards (not because of the sex) to see if there would be any improvement.

I'm with a girl like this now. She's foreign and hot and she's a good girl, not like these American sluts. That's why I AM sticking around. She is getting a little more freaky each time.

 

[Boilermaker]

squirrels I can't believe you can actually complain about sh!t like this, man.

I can't imagine your level really, most of us here, most of the time, are desperately trying to handle a few chicks just to get a calm (but steady) supply of pvssy and you come here and whine about them not going down on you? ..
I adore you man, I really do.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Usually what I do is have them suck my c0ck first. I mean you should already know when a woman has a mind-blowing orgasm that it takes a lot of energy out of them. They usually don't want to take orders after they've been drained.

My method of getting a girl to blow me (Usually on the first or second date. First, usually) is to of course get her excited (kissing, caressing, bla bla sensual things)

Second thing I do is what most guys cannot do or aren't confident enough to do (i think it takes a certain kind of charisma to do it without looking like a creep) - and that's taking out my c0ck and stroking it in front of her. Methods to get to that point is if she's grabbing it outside my pants or I guide her hand towards it and she gets the idea and plays with it herself.

Squirrels, I could never think of a tasteful way to say "suck me, beautiful" (lol love that line, especially when Stifler says it XD) until a few years ago.

If the making out is really intense and she's responding well to my hair pulling and she's wet as hell I usually just say "s*ck my c*ck baby" and lead her by the hair onto my d*ck. So far it's never failed. Yes, some girls are timid and some girls you don't even have to tell to suck. They'll just do it.

If it's less intense and more sensual I'll tell her while either I'm stroking it or if she's stroking it to "kiss it, baby". Kissing doesn't sound like suck so it's more erotic than sleazy. It's much more romantic. She'll start to kiss it at first, but she has enough sense to actually suck when she gets a positive reaction from you. Girls love when they have that kind of pleasure control.

Well, who the f*ck doesn't?

 

[Bluntmaster]

Usually what I do is have them suck my c0ck first. I mean you should already know when a woman has a mind-blowing orgasm that it takes a lot of energy out of them. They usually don't want to take orders after they've been drained.

My method of getting a girl to blow me (Usually on the first or second date. First, usually) is to of course get her excited (kissing, caressing, bla bla sensual things)

Second thing I do is what most guys cannot do or aren't confident enough to do (i think it takes a certain kind of charisma to do it without looking like a creep) - and that's taking out my c0ck and stroking it in front of her. Methods to get to that point is if she's grabbing it outside my pants or I guide her hand towards it and she gets the idea and plays with it herself.

Squirrels, I could never think of a tasteful way to say "suck me, beautiful" (lol love that line, especially when Stifler says it XD) until a few years ago.

If the making out is really intense and she's responding well to my hair pulling and she's wet as hell I usually just say "s*ck my c*ck baby" and lead her by the hair onto my d*ck. So far it's never failed.

If it's less intense and more sensual I'll tell her while either I'm stroking it or if she's stroking it to "kiss it, baby". Kissing doesn't sound like suck so it's more erotic than sleazy. It's much more romantic. She'll start to kiss it at first, but she has enough sense to actually suck when she gets a positive reaction from you. Girls love when they have that kind of pleasure control.

Well, who the f*ck doesn't?

Oh my god!!! TM has found a girl who will suck his ****!!!!!!


Good luck with that bro. Marry it.
Put a ring on it.


Let me know how you are doing in 20 years.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Oh my god!!! TM has found a girl who will suck his ****!!!!!!


Good luck with that bro. Marry it.
Put a ring on it.


Let me know how you are doing in 20 years.

*scratches head* What? What the hell is this about? Is this about one girl who I'm with right now or about sharing sexual experience I've had with the almost 20 I've been with during a 3 year period?

Oh..I got it. It's an insult. My bad.


Thank you, bro.

 

[Buddha_Mind]

Twenty-vaginas! You are the *MAN* for making contact with so many!

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Buddha, I was responding in a frat boy manner to a frat boy like attack. I'm really not bragging and it wasn't a serious response to Nobody. It's not a big deal. lol