Self-Proclaimed PUAs are LAME!!!

[Zerro]

The PUA stuff actually helped me out a lot. I never really learned any of the whole attraction game in highschool or from my father, and my mother told me to just be a "nice guy". So "The Game" (as well as a few other books) and this website helped me out a sh1tload.

Same here, women can't give you proper advice as they always contradict themselves anyway and my old man apparently couldn't be bothered. Hell, I don't think he even knows much himself and sometimes wonder how him and mom got together in the first place.

All I know was that a couple years ago I was rapidly approaching 30 and despite everything else I had done with my life this was the one thing that I had shown zero improvement in since being a teenager. It had to come to an end somehow. I'm just glad that I found this place before getting too deep into the PUA nonsense.

 

[zekko]

Same here, women can't give you proper advice as they always contradict themselves anyway and my old man apparently couldn't be bothered. Hell, I don't think he even knows much himself and sometimes wonder how him and mom got together in the first place.

All I know was that a couple years ago I was rapidly approaching 30 and despite everything else I had done with my life this was the one thing that I had shown zero improvement in since being a teenager. It had to come to an end somehow. I'm just glad that I found this place before getting too deep into the PUA nonsense.

I guess there is a market for pickup material, so that's cool.
I actually learned most of this stuff from the times I failed with women.
The old saying you learn more from losing than winning is true.
Life experience.

When I first started studying seduction, I thought maybe there was some sort of magic bullet. I was disappointed to find it was mostly just things I had already learned, put in a slightly different way.

I think a lot of the tips and advice here is very good. I just don't think it's earth shaking stuff. It's really just good conversation and guys sharing their experiences. Some of it is BS. And I'm sorry, but the whole "matrix" thing is sooooooooo stupid. I know most guys here hold that concept dearly in their heart.

 

[ezio]

I've been trying to read up on the whole 'pua' thing for awhile. Everything said is pretty much **** I learned by the time I was 20. All these 'pick up artists' look and talk like a bunch of phaggots.

Anyone who uses terms like 'afc' and 'kino' to me just sounds corny. Am I the only one who feels this way?

A real 'pua' are not these guys who give seminars and ****. It's guys who know how to get girls and are successful because they just have a way with women. They know what women want, they have something(s) that women want, and they aren't going to beat around the bush.

If you knew all these by age 20 wtf are you doing on this forum then. you should be out in the world having threesomes n banging all the hb9&10 you can get your hands on. people like you who act all high and mighty and behave like they know it all when they don't actually know **** make me sick

 

[McMotherLover]

If you knew all these by age 20 wtf are you doing on this forum then. you should be out in the world having threesomes n banging all the hb9&10 you can get your hands on. people like you who act all high and mighty and behave like they know it all when they don't actually know **** make me sick

Why are you so mad? I was just stating my opinion and I have learned about 95% of what these 'PUAs' teach through life experience and analyzing past events. I guess everyone learns differently though.... I'm not judging, just stating imo they sound lame as hell. Others agreed, guess you don't.

 

[jglide123]

I came to realise a long time ago that PUAs are geeks who learn from other geeks and who apply geek logic and science to attracting women.

Most of them are just following stuff they've read in books and make a very convincing argument for what they preach, but you only have to look at them to realise they have no self-awareness or social skills.

I'm sure a lot of them get phone numbers, though I doubt many of them get laid or get as many dates as they like us to believe...especially not the less wealthy among them.

I started out on the PUA path, but like others here, I then turned onto the path of self-improvement and things just started clicking for me.

I think Jariel said it best. Most of the guys who are PUAs are nerds who are very intelligent but lack any real social skills. These guys (at least the one's I've met) can recite virtually every pick up theory, human psychology, and so-called "alpha" body language. But when you see these guys try to actually apply all that knowledge "in field," you also see how socially awkward and creepy some of these guys are. Some are decent guys, but the whole seduction community usually attracts guys who, while they may be book smart, have some major insecurities and social issues.

But not all of it is necessarily bad information. I would just take it all with a grain of salt.

 

[loveshogun]

Anyone who uses terms like 'afc' and 'kino' to me just sounds corny. Am I the only one who feels this way?

Yeah, totally true, bro. Even worse - internet trolls. They make me so mad that I wet myself in anger. Piss-filled anger.

Assuming you're not a troll, and also assuming that most of us already agree with you (we do), what exactly do you want, stranger?

 

[sstype]

I think Jariel said it best. Most of the guys who are PUAs are nerds who are very intelligent but lack any real social skills. These guys (at least the one's I've met) can recite virtually every pick up theory, human psychology, and so-called "alpha" body language. But when you see these guys try to actually apply all that knowledge "in field," you also see how socially awkward and creepy some of these guys are. Some are decent guys, but the whole seduction community usually attracts guys who, while they may be book smart, have some major insecurities and social issues.

But not all of it is necessarily bad information. I would just take it all with a grain of salt.

I agree with this. I had major insecurity issues and my social skills were extremely poor growing up. PUA did help me get rid of my approach anxiety and fear of rejection, but it never taught me how to make and keep friends and how to carry myself around others. Out of the 5-10% of advice that was useful (don't be afraid to approach, don't take rejection personally), the other 90% was useless or downright detrimental to me socially.

I was able to get laid, but I was still a social retard, albeit a more confident and outgoing social retard. I had few friends and practically no established social circle. People didn't really respect me or take me seriously as I was so caught up in the "dancing monkey loud alpha" routine a lot of the PUA stuff advocates.

I'm a bit older and wiser now and have toned down my behavior, trying to undo the years of damage and bad advice that caused a lot of people to repel from me. Not surprisingly, I am winning respect and trust from others just by being normal, friendly, and socially aware of my surroundings.

A lot of times I just cringe at how foolish and obnoxious I acted in my younger days. Really wish I could have gone back and done things differently, but hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Alex DeLarge]

One thing I hate about the PUA stuff, is it's just purely seduction. It's just step 1, 2 and bango! She's in bed with you, but they don't emphasize how to actually build anything significant with a woman past sex. Another thing they don't emphasize is the idea of patience. They say to "punish" a girl and be aloof if she doesn't go out with you. What kind of loser needs to waste their time and satisfy their ego by doing that?

I usually just keep things cool with the girl and let her decide if she wants to see me again. If she wants to, she'll get in touch. You don't need to be some low self-esteem loser and shun the girl because she would not give you attention.

 

[sstype]

One thing I hate about the PUA stuff, is it's just purely seduction. It's just step 1, 2 and bango! She's in bed with you, but they don't emphasize how to actually build anything significant with a woman past sex. Another thing they don't emphasize is the idea of patience. They say to "punish" a girl and be aloof if she doesn't go out with you. What kind of loser needs to waste their time and satisfy their ego by doing that?

I usually just keep things cool with the girl and let her decide if she wants to see me again. If she wants to, she'll get in touch. You don't need to be some low self-esteem loser and shun the girl because she would not give you attention.

Alex you're absolutely right. Picking up women is hardly a linear process as many PUA nerds would have you believe. You're talking another human being here with emotions, dreams, hopes, nervous tics, and insecurities. Aside from general principles such as being confident and looking/feeling your best, you can't boil seduction down to some sort of fool-proof mathematical equation, we're not dealing with computers here. Every woman responds differently.

Bang on about patience being another overlooked aspect. Since most guys are not uber-famous or handsome, expecting a woman who hardly knows you to jump right into bed is an unreasonable expectation. Trust and comfort IMO are every bit as important as attraction, especially if she she hardly knows you. Until that trust can be established, most women are going to be wary and flakey towards men who aren't in their circle. I've seen plenty average looking guys who know nothing about PUA with decent attractive women....because the he was patient, not being a horny sleazeball, and took the time to get to know her.....and established himself as a trustworthy guy, he got the girl.

Maybe some of us could learn a thing or two from the so-called "AFCs"

 

[nismo-4]

Order in the court!

PUA sites have been popping up heavily since that show from VH1. Even before then. They always wonder, how much money can I make off these desperate, loveless, lifeless men. Even some women have written books on it! Write a bunch of rehashed, rehearsed, reiterated sh*t and tweak it then voila! PUA guide and site, complete with the testimonials and the "Guys, have you struggled with women in the past?" type question.

That is the whole gimmick. But some of the best advice you can get on women can be found here. There is no f**kin' universal trait to attract every woman. You won't be attractive to every woman.

This PUA sh*t don't work for everybody. Some people buy the sh*t and don't apply it, or apply it and cry because it didn't.

You should always be working on upgrading yourself, as in:
1. Being physically fit
2. Being financially fit
3. Always spinning plates/ having options
4. Having a life outside of women

#'s 1, 2, & 4 are hardly spoken about in PUA guides. They say that game and personality trumps looks and richness. Very slim motherf**ker. Your game and charming personality doesn't make you look any better, nor does it add money to your wallet. What they actually do is leverage whatever attraction is already there, with the occasional stroke of luck which gets the lay and more.

Alas, if you really want to attract a bunch of women and not beat around the bushlook at this list.

1. Looks/ masculinity/ muscles
2. Money/ assets/ materials
3. Game/ wit/ personality

Have any two of these. Have all three for max effect. I'll even break it down!

1+2= Women view him as an awesome sex package, but will try to get knocked up for a good looking child and money for child support. Hey, he's got good genes! You can do very little wrong here, as you get viewed as a lover and provider.

1+3= You can get a lot of one night stands, and you're less likely to get pegged as a provider. Not having money could be a deterrent for some, not that it would matter.

2+3= Women are more likely to peg you as a provider and will want to be around you because of your riches. Being you have game, you need to be sharp and watch for golddiggers.

That's how the cookie crumbles. :rock:

Case closed.

 

[Lord Shinra]

Alex you're absolutely right. Picking up women is hardly a linear process as many PUA nerds would have you believe. You're talking another human being here with emotions, dreams, hopes, nervous tics, and insecurities. Aside from general principles such as being confident and looking/feeling your best, you can't boil seduction down to some sort of fool-proof mathematical equation, we're not dealing with computers here. Every woman responds differently.

Bang on about patience being another overlooked aspect. Since most guys are not uber-famous or handsome, expecting a woman who hardly knows you to jump right into bed is an unreasonable expectation. Trust and comfort IMO are every bit as important as attraction, especially if she she hardly knows you. Until that trust can be established, most women are going to be wary and flakey towards men who aren't in their circle. I've seen plenty average looking guys who know nothing about PUA with decent attractive women....because the he was patient, not being a horny sleazeball, and took the time to get to know her.....and established himself as a trustworthy guy, he got the girl.

Maybe some of us could learn a thing or two from the so-called "AFCs"

Thats a huge problem that I've seen. Some people swear by these different "methods" that I think work only on paper or whatever dreamworld the internet badasses live in.

 

[ilikecharlene]

How are PUAs talking bull****?

How are the following bad things:

- Be confident (since most people respect those with low self-esteem)
- Have goals and something to strive for (whether career or hobbies)
- Be in shape (since fat people look good and are healthy)

Facetiousness aside, I think PUA techniques have some value, they teach a guy to be confident and have social skills.
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[AlphaNate]

I don't care what anyone says; acronyms make it easier for people with short term memory loss to...........

Something.................

 

[OC Speedball]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

If you learned all this stuff naturally then why are you on this site wasting your time? Asking questions and getting advice about women is the same exact thing as reading PUA stuff to get those answers. You just used a different way to get those answers. Just because sosuave doesn't like to be called a PUA site doesn't mean it isn't. The advice given on here, and the topics discussed, are practically identical to any PUA forum.

And second: I like to compare learning women to learning guitar. There are some people that never take guitar lessons and learn just from listening to songs and trying to play along. Then there are people who take lessons for guitar. They are both equally as good. Do you bash the person who took lessons because he didn't learn naturally?


I hung out with girls in high school, and I partied every weekend. (Still do most weekends). But I never knew what the hell I was doing. I never got a kiss, nothing. I didn't have a father, only a mother that told me when I was a kid to "be nice to girls." So I didn't know what the hell I was doing. I would pick girls up and give them rides to work and to parties without getting anything in return. This was me being "nice" to girls. When I would ask my friends that got girls how they did it they would say, "I don't know. I just talk to them."

I am so glad I found the PUA community and sosuave when I was getting started with college. I would still be completely lost without it I'm sure. The funny thing is, I look at my friends and they seem so whimpy now. They don't have the balls to approach a girl on the street...they just get girls through social circle.

Anyways, the PUA community is misunderstood. Yes, it's nerdy at times, but that's because the guys that created most of the terms were nerds who weren't getting laid. But they went out there and got out of their comfort zone and LEARNED women. How can you not give these guys props? They improved themselves drastically. They changed their lives for the better.

 

[zekko]

I like the self improvement and motivational aspects of this site. Plus I find the subject of attraction interesting so I stick around. There's a lot of good advice here. Some of it is just hot air. But I can't help but take a few jabs at the community now and then, it's just begging for it.

For instance, the first thing they tell you when you come here is to go to the gym (of course the pickup gurus that charge money assure you that looks don't matter). Now going to the gym, exercising, eating right, and staying in shape is excellent advise. Practically every president, governor, health organization, doctor, school, newspaper, magazine, infomercial, news report, and TV talk show will tell you the exact same thing. So it's not exactly amazing "secret" pickup knowledge, is it?

Of course, they tell you to work out for yourself, not for women. To underscore this, they will tell you that you will get more women if you work out. So you go workout for yourself, not for women. Because a forum on how to get women told you to. But not to get women, do it for yourself. That way you will get more women.

I read a post recently that said if you go to the gym and get some hobbies, women will flock to you. That's interesting, I've been working out for 30 years, and have more hobbies than I know what to do with. Thanks for the tip!

How do people not have hobbies, anyway? I can understand that you might be lazy and want to lay on the couch and watch TV all day. But nothing interests you? Really?

 

[corrector]

It was posted before in another thread, but if you watch this clip to the end, you get to see what kind of people PUAs really are...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuceTz9gZRQ

There's another one here where he totally fails. It's funny how he convinces himself that he came out of it a winner.

I just saw this youtube clip and couldn't stop laughing. Normally I don't laugh at videos but at this one I couldn't stop. The way the guys blabs on about his "social garden", and the girls are like WTF and start leaving him stranded with the alpha guy while he's just threading water before he loses it...lol.

 

[corrector]

It was posted before in another thread, but if you watch this clip to the end, you get to see what kind of people PUAs really are...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuceTz9gZRQ

There's another one here where he totally fails. It's funny how he convinces himself that he came out of it a winner.

I just saw this youtube clip and couldn't stop laughing. Normally I don't laugh at videos but at this one I couldn't stop. The way the guys blabs on about his "social garden", and the girls are like WTF and start leaving him stranded with the alpha guy while he's just threading water before he loses it...lol.