Seeking advice from some DJ's

clicheusername20

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Hi Don Juans,

My recent bad experience with a woman brought me to these forums for the first time in my life. If that's the last thing I get from all the time I've spent on her, then I don't think that's a bad trade-off at all :). I'm already starting to feel great and I feel like I'm moving in the right direction, but I'm looking for someone who can review everything that happened with this girl and what went wrong and help me pinpoint the error of my ways so I can keep developing into a Don Juan. I don't really feel comfortable posting the details on here, so would someone be willing to let me PM them?

Looking forward to your help, thank you, and Merry Christmas :)
 

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Read Pook's Anti-Dump Machine in the DJ Bible.
 

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While one-on-one tutoring is certainly one of the best ways to learn, it may not even be necessary. Just browse and read whatever sparks your interest on this site. You'll read tons of stuff that does not apply to your situation or is just nice to know. But you'll also find gems, IME not always the heavily recommended stuff, but thoughts and posts that just hit home.
Step by step, you will recognize bits and pieces of your own story. Things you did wrong, things you did right, things you knew but didn't act on, things you just couldn't know because no one told you. And once you're done with your half of the past, you can start analyzing the woman's side ... and wising up ... and then go out and blow the other women out of the water. ;-)
 

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Add me to your buddy list (and I think that will let me PM you???) ^^^ the reason I don't want to post it here is because I'm paranoid she would end up seeing it somehow lol
 

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Background: we're both undergraduates. I'm close to graduating and she's not. She works all the time and I don't.

The girl I'm currently having problems with is the reason I stumbled upon this site. After skimming through the DJ bible and reading hundreds of other posts on here, I realize that I've been acting like a complete AFC for my entire life, especially with this girl, and it's pathetic. So you will probably think that the scenario I'm about to explain is also pathetic.

I met her via Tinder in mid-October, and we immediately began talking every day. I told her everything about myself (mistake) and she told me everything about herself, and we quickly entered into what was strictly a texting relationship. We would text every day and every night, and she was often the one initiating the conversations. She would flirt, ask questions, keep the conversation going, say random things out of the blue, etc etc, and kept giving me signs that she was interested in meeting up. She would say things like we should hang out sometime or we should go downtown together sometime or if we were talking about a movie or TV show we'll have to watch that together sometime.

She's into plays, so for our first date I suggested that we attend a play together that one of my friends was in. She had to work and couldn't make it, but said the typical I'm sorry but we'll hangout soon :) BS. So we continued to text, and throughout the next week I asked her on some coffee/lunch dates and she was too busy, but we'll hangout soon I promise :). That weekend, she planned to hang out with me and come out to the bars with me after work. The weather was bad that night, and when she got off work she texted me that she didn't want to come downtown, but I should come drink over at her place if I still wanted to hang out. I said sure, and went to go purchase alcohol, and as I was walking over to her place, guess what...I'm seriously so sorry. My roommates are really tired and want to go to bed, so I don't think I can hang out tonight. I'm sorry if it seems like I'm avoiding you, but I really do want to hang out. I responded and said it was fine, I understand, etc…

After about two more weeks of this flaky behavior, we finally planned a definitive time and place to hang out. She invited me over to her place to watch a movie, and we ended up banging that night. I took that to mean that she was still interested in me, but I was careful not to be too eager and didn't text or call for a few days because Thanksgiving break was approaching and I figured I would ask her on another date when we came back. We continued to talk every. single. day., which she would initiate, and I asked to take her to the movies the Friday after we came back from break. She responded yet again with the We definitely should if I'm free line and ended up not being able to because my friends from Colorado are in town for tonight only and I have to work a double tomorrow so I don't think I'll be able to, I'm sorry. I thought, hey, that sounds legitimate, if my friends were in town for only one night I would want to see them, and let it slide.

About a week later, I asked her if she wanted to go on a study date and do homework together because she always complains about being super busy with homework, and said we definitely should, when?. Similar to everything else, this never materialized. But the next day, she went to a social/party thing with her roommate and texted me to walk her home. I did, and we ended up banging again and I stayed the night.

That is the last time we've hung out. So in the two month span where I've literally had some form of communication with her every day, we've hung out twice. From what I've gleaned from this forum, I should have nexted her a long time ago. I do have other plates. There are a couple girls I'm fwb's with who I can essentially hook up with whenever I want but don’t want to date, and there are a couple other girls currently interested in me who I'm talking to. But for whatever reason, I feel like I've become very emotionally attached to this one. I wake up in the morning hoping for texts from her, wonder if she's hooking up with other guys in the times she acts more distant, check her FB, tear my hair out wondering how she actually feels about me, and in general let her effect my happiness, which is bad news.

She does pay for her own college and I know she works A LOT. I can tell from the way she texts me that she usually gets off anywhere from 10-11pm. I actually confronted her about her "busy-ness" and she said: I know, I'm sorry I'm so busy all the time. I'm sorry if it seems like I don't want to hang out with you because I do. It's just a really busy and expensive time of the year for me and it's just stressful and I’m trying to work as much as possible. But I like talking to you and hanging out with you and want to continue. Will you be around finals week? I'll DEFINITELY be more free that week :)

So I figure that's fine, I can wait until finals week, and I do. My birthday comes and goes during this time and she doesn't find the time to hang out with me or do anything with me for my birthday yet we continue to talk and flirt every day. I needed a date to a wedding I'm attending in January, so I figured I would ask her, and she told me she would go. I was excited about that, but her flakiness and unwillingness to hang out was still bothering me and gnawing away at my self-respect in the back of my head.

On finals week, she told me we can hang out Tuesday night after I get off work! I text her Tuesday and I'm seriously so tired and don't think I would be very fun to hang out with, I'm sorry. How about tomorrow? I say sure and text her Wednesday, to which she responds I just got my schedule for the week today and have to work tonight. I really need the money. I'm sorry, we can hang out Thursday night if you want! I say sure, text her Thursday, and sure enough Hey, I have a final tomorrow that I haven't studied for, so I just think I'm gonna do that tonight :). So she literally flaked three nights in a row in one week, and from what I've read so far that should be an immediate NEXT. I should have gone ghost at this point, but ah, I’m still an AFC…

But I was still pissed and said "I don't know how I feel about taking you to this wedding anymore since you can't seem to find the time to hang out with me," to which she responded, Yeah that makes sense. I'm sorry I'm so busy all the time, it's not fair to you. If you want to take someone else I totally understand. I'll probably be stressed around that time anyway. So she made it seem like she was uninterested in going, and I just said "okay maybe I will" and left it at that. We didn't talk for a few days, and when I asked her if we were still going together, she said I don't think it's a good idea. Maybe we can try to hang out more next semester. I didn't think about my response very much and was honestly just tired of all the flakiness and uncertainty with her and just said "nah, I'm done:)" and she said lol have a great time at the wedding:). We haven't communicated since and it’s been about 5 days.

I feel like such a confused chump. If I continue talking to her, that's THREE MONTHS spent on her for really only hanging out twice if you count the drunken hookup. I don't know whether she's just an attention *****, actually likes me and is legitimately busy with school and work, or what the hell's going on here. It’s driving me insane and I don’t know what to do next. I feel like the simplicity of the situation is that I’ve made myself too available. I’m almost done with college and don’t have many classes anymore, activities, etc while she has a tough schedule and works over 30 hours per week. I don’t think I’ve ever told her I’m too busy to hang out or can’t hang out for whatever reason and I always jump at the opportunity to do something when she’s free, but she’s had to say no to me over 10 times at least. Since she always responds and apologizes and suggests future dates, it keeps me on the hook. Should I leave things the way they are and move on? Reach out and try to salvage this? I keep trying to have the mentality that if SHE doesn't want to go to a wedding with ME then SHE is the one missing out and I'll gladly take one of my MANY options that ISN'T flaky. But something keeps telling me I blew it.

The next thing I’m going to learn is how to explain posts more shortly. I had no idea this would be so long, sorry☺

Mentor me.
 

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I'm confused... Are you the girl or the guy???

If you are the girl
This guy is player.... You are just an option... You making him the priority while he sees you whenever he has time on his busy agenda. He probably got girls all over his d1ck. You are just one more vag1na.

Time to go ghost until he texts you with a time and place and it cannot be mora than 1 day away.


If you are the guy
It seems like this girl casted a spell on you with texts. you fell in love reading her texts. Shows you lack experience... This is part of the learning process. Start by valuing your time and valuing your attention. Your time and attention is your commodity. Their commodity is between their legs.

Thank this girl for bringing you here... And thank yourself for having a discerning mind to seek this rabbit hole.

Read pook and antidump. WELCOME.
 

clicheusername20

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Tiguere said:
I'm confused... Are you the girl or the guy???

If you are the girl
This guy is player.... You are just an option... You making him the priority while he sees you whenever he has time on his busy agenda. He probably got girls all over his d1ck. You are just one more vag1na.

Time to go ghost until he texts you with a time and place and it cannot be mora than 1 day away.


If you are the guy
It seems like this girl casted a spell on you with texts. you fell in love reading her texts. Shows you lack experience... This is part of the learning process. Start by valuing your time and valuing your attention. Your time and attention is your commodity. Their commodity is between their legs.

Thank this girl for bringing you here... And thank yourself for having a discerning mind to seek this rabbit hole.

Read pook and antidump. WELCOME.
I am the guy. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. I've got an entire month break of nothing to do so expect to see me here often!
 

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clicheusername20 said:
I am the guy. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. I've got an entire month break of nothing to do so expect to see me here often!

He didn't meant it that way. That was Sarcasm. You are in reality acting like a girl and the girl is actually acting like a guy who has many options. You are just an option for her.

Every time she flaked out on you was the time she was busy banging some other dude. You made yourself too much available. The reason you feel attached to her is that as a human if we are unable to get something easily we attach too much value to it. We don't value the things which are easily available.


You should never contact her again like you've been doing since the last 3 months. So now go NC and forget her.


You've given her way too many chances and that's why she has low interest or zero interest in you.

Work on yourself read the stuff here. Use this break to get better( I am doing the same thing as I am on break too). Increase your value and then get a better girl.

Value yourself first only then people would start to value you.
 

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EvilSpirit22 said:
He didn't meant it that way. That was Sarcasm. You are in reality acting like a girl and the girl is actually acting like a guy who has many options. You are just an option for her.

Every time she flaked out on you was the time she was busy banging some other dude. You made yourself too much available. The reason you feel attached to her is that as a human if we are unable to get something easily we attach too much value to it. We don't value the things which are easily available.


You should never contact her again like you've been doing since the last 3 months. So now go NC and forget her.


You've given her way too many chances and that's why she has low interest or zero interest in you.

Work on yourself read the stuff here. Use this break to get better( I am doing the same thing as I am on break too). Increase your value and then get a better girl.

Value yourself first only then people would start to value you.
Thanks for the response. I definitely think she's been seeing other guys, but I don't think she's been banging someone else "every time she's flaked." We used to snapchat all the time and on the nights she would flake she would always send me pictures of herself in her bed working on homework or something. So unless she straight up lies every time she works and has these guys over at super super late hours, I just don't see that happening. And she said she's shy and "the only person she's met off Tinder." Believe me I've tried to make myself believe that it's been because of banging other guys, the signs just don't point to that. I think it's just because she's a major AW who loves the attention. Regardless I'm done being a beta orbiter. The thought of her banging some dude while one of my conversational texts pops up on her phone and goes ignored infuriates me
 

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Look, you got to bang this lil Tinder hoochie, so be done with her once and for all. She is probably juggling more dıck than all of your undies put together as well as the Fruit Of The Loom factory in Vietnam. Do yourself a favor, and delete her from all platforms, and block her ass while you're at it. This is your only solution. Stop getting lead by the nose by her, and cut your losses, man. This isn't rocket science. You've said you have other girls you can mess with, so concentrate on one of them to take at the wedding. That's it, done deal.

Next time don't let some flaky ass girl get to you in any way. It's never worth it. There a re a lot of girls out there that are riding the cóck carousel...and riding it hard for all it's worth, so get in line, get ridden, and get off at the nearest exit.
 

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VladPatton said:
Look, you got to bang this lil Tinder hoochie, so be done with her once and for all. She is probably juggling more dıck than all of your undies put together as well as the Fruit Of The Loom factory in Vietnam. Do yourself a favor, and delete her from all platforms, and block her ass while you're at it. This is your only solution. Stop getting lead by the nose by her, and cut your losses, man. This isn't rocket science. You've said you have other girls you can mess with, so concentrate on one of them to take at the wedding. That's it, done deal.

Next time don't let some flaky ass girl get to you in any way. It's never worth it. There a re a lot of girls out there that are riding the cóck carousel...and riding it hard for all it's worth, so get in line, get ridden, and get off at the nearest exit.
Thanks. You think I should delete and block her on everything? I shouldn't show indifference by letting her follow/friend/remain on my snapchat list so she can see how awesome my life is and what she's missing out on? She never posts anything that makes me feel bad so I don't know why I wouldn't...From reading this forum people have said it's best not to let it show when they get to you
 

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MidnightCity said:
this sums it up actually.

she probably just wanted a fvck buddy but you were too needy and pushy.

too many love sick guys out there. they never know a good setup when they see one. dont be one of those guys
Got it. But then why text me on a daily basis gf-ish texts? If she wanted a fwb, wouldn't she just text me when she wanted me to come over? And why invite me to spend the night, kiss me in public at the bars, agree to go to the wedding and future dates with me, etc? Just trying to learn here
 

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VladPatton's answer nails it.

OP, here you go. http://www.mts.net/~bpony/djbible/

Read all of it and read it again. Then you will better understand the difference between:

VladPatton said:
Do yourself a favor, and delete her from all platforms, and block her ass while you're at it.
As opposed to this:

clicheusername20 said:
I shouldn't show indifference by letting her follow/friend/remain on my snapchat list so she can see how awesome my life is and what she's missing out on?
The part I bolded is what conveys your misunderstanding of what it means to be "indifferent." What you said absolutely shows that you DO care, and that you truly aren't being indifferent towards her because you WANT HER OPINION OF YOU TO CHANGE.

Take VladPatton's advice, and also read the DJ Bible.
 

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clicheusername20 said:
Thanks. You think I should delete and block her on everything? I shouldn't show indifference by letting her follow/friend/remain on my snapchat list so she can see how awesome my life is and what she's missing out on? She never posts anything that makes me feel bad so I don't know why I wouldn't...From reading this forum people have said it's best not to let it show when they get to you

That's just what I like to do to anyone who I don't like. Why waste zeros and ones storing someone you don't like on your phone? I also block their asses so I don't get any texts or calls. Out of sight, out of mind, and it makes for a nice, quiet life. Let her text and call you till her phone starts to smoke.
 
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