Seeing a girl... No eye Contact

[pcproa]

Hi everyone. I've been looking around on this board and many other places for information on eye contact. Everywhere says basically the same thing, and it usually pertains to holding eye contact with a girl that you already established some kind of contact with.
I'm looking at this from a different perspective. Over the past few weeks I've been really aware of my surroundings, and I've noticed that many girls will check me out while I walk by them. Just these past few days though, I've tried doing something about it. I actually try to initiate eye contact. So lets say I'm walking along and I see a girl that I like. I look at her until she looks at me, eventually our eyes will meet, but she glances. She looks at me for not even a half second. No matter which girl I look at, she does pretty much the same thing.
Does anyone have an opinion on this?

Thanks,

Patrick

 

[Smooth Player 056]

Depends....it could mean shes not interested, or it could mean she is shy. Does she give a slight smile? Does her body language face you slightly?

Try giving a smile when you hold your EC....if she gives one back.....your in.

 

[DonJuanMonk]

We can't read your mind or see the persons you interact, Who gives a sh1t really?

 

[pcproa]

There's not enough time for a smile as she barely looks at me, and there are no signs of interest. We are simply walking by each other so the only time to do the eye contact with smiles is during the approach.

What do you mean by EC?

 

[pcproa]

So does anyone have any input or ideas on this?
I'm still trying the same things with very little luck. I've slowed down my actions and reactions to make people feel I'm more mysterious, but for the most part, it doesn't have a significant reaction.

Thanks

 

[EquityPrivate]

Try combining the eye contact with a smile and a curious **** of the head. The kind that says:

"Hey, do I know you?"

If pure Eye Contact isn't working for you then try a "hi."

You'd be amazed what happens if you just say "Hi" to every cute girl you walk by.

 

[Sapiens]

pcproa,

I commend you on the journey, let me give you my 2 cents on this.

1. Dress clean and well groomed, hair cut and shoes in top shape.

2. Smile, smile, smile practice until it's natural for you, not a feign smile.

Once you have the above down, then look at the woman as she is approaching you if she glances at you and looks away or down stay looking towards her eyes. She she glaces you again and gives you a hint of a smile the game is on.

If she glances at you and ignores then move on, and I MEAN MOVE ON!

I only get eye contact and or Smile from about 1 in 25 HBs. UB (Ugly babes) About 3 in 10.

 

[Verbal]

sapiens is right about the dressing and smiling deffinatly. now heres the thing, eye contact is very primative, its a good thing, when you make eye contact with a girl hold it. dont break eye contact untill she does. i learned about this in david d'angelo's ebook. to me if a girl holds eye contact for about 4 seconds i know there might be some interest. if she smiles and holds eye contact, i know its good. if she smiles and looks away and keeps walking or gets back to what shes doing, then it was probley a friendly smile and there is probley nothing there. smiling is very good though just try to make it look friendly and not a "i would love to f*ck you" type of smile. good luck.

 

[DinoCassanova]

EC means Eye Contact. Just shorthand. Also, as to your question here, from what I have read in various places women are (if only "subconsciously") conditioned to consider themselves to be (and to even WANT to be at some level) passive to men. Even the ones who are putting up a lot of b!tch shield, if directly confronted by a real rough around the edges , you know, "man's man" kind of guy, they will likely not know what to do and either break into tears (or at least be on the verge of doing so) or , basically, just listen to him and do what he says. In the animal kingdom (which we are just another part of ; did you know we share 98.4 % of our genes with common and pygmy chimpanzees?? They are THE closest relative to the human animal) , it is common for the "beta" chimp to break EC first. The stronger one, and/or the male, holds it longest. Females breaking EC w/males fairly quickly (even if they're thinking , Hey he's not a bad-looking guy) , in my opinion, is a deeply-seated primal evolutionary type behaviour. In a sense, she's "telling" you , by lowering her eyes or what-have-you (and then perhaps very briefly glancing back up once more to see if you're still looking), that she's interested but that she "realizes" her "passive" status (again, even if this "realization" is only on a deep-seated subconscious level) and therefore she does not desire to get into a "staring contest" with you. Really, try getting a female (besides one whom you are romancing and out on a date with, obviously) to hold your gaze for very long. Beyond a few seconds, they will almost universally look away first. That has been my experience at least. Note: this field research may not apply to bull-dykes, as I don't like looking at them at all and have never tried making EC w/one, and many of them seem to have something in their brain(s) which makes them much more like men than many biological men (similar to how many full-fledged flaming gay men are often- times more womanly than real women; in my opinion this will all eventually be traced to something that has yet to be discovered within the incomprehensibly complex wiring of the human brain).

 

[johnmich]

This is not always the case for me, as i manage to lock eye contact with a fair few.

If i find myself trying to look away first, i force myself to do it and clench my fist in my pocket (im not angry its about relieving the stress from your body)

This may sound wierd.

 

[Sp1kez]

How do you fake a smile? I've bene practicing in the mirror but to no avail...I just can't smile (showing the whites) without really smiling!

 

[Borgon]

Try thinking of something funny with a smirk. You have to be in a happy mood or character.

 

[KinkyMan]

question related to this

i've been working on my talk to most girls i happen to run into and if it clicks try to get the phone number.

this can happen at any ol random time

however, how do you guys go about talking to a girl who is walking towards you?

i smile and EC and sometimes get it back, but i just dont know how to get the convo started. it certainly seems like stopping in the middle of the sidewalk or walking in her direction are lame, is this what you do??

thx

 

[pcproa]

wow, you guys are amazing
and DinoCassanova, you have such a technical explanation. It's great.
So Sapiens, I do dress very clean. I never leave the house without making sure I have clean clothes and shoes on, etc., and I shave and trim odd hair every day. People that know me, know that I'm a germophobe. It's as simple as things like when I go into a public places, I have to have something between my hand and the door handle.
I don't know how to smile seemlingly natural though. I usually just have one facial expression (angry and pissed off at the world), but I'm working really hard on trying to change that.
My follow up would've been the same as what KinkyMan has to say.

i've been working on my talk to most girls i happen to run into and if it clicks try to get the phone number.

this can happen at any ol random time

however, how do you guys go about talking to a girl who is walking towards you?

i smile and EC and sometimes get it back, but i just dont know how to get the convo started. it certainly seems like stopping in the middle of the sidewalk or walking in her direction are lame, is this what you do??

Thanks

 

[Sapiens]

Dude, Why are you projecting anger at the world. Just like you each and every woman you meet has her own "issues."

Watch a movie or something that makes you smile, have a mirror handy, look at yourself until you are confortable at smiling and looking at your smile, this will give you a clue as to what the women you encounter are seeing.

Please Note:

Fundamental rule #1 of DJ: Not every woman will find you attractive. Tough! Learn it, know it, accept it; now MOVE ON.

But I guarantee you that there are enough women out there that you find attractive, and vice-versa, they find you attractive.

So your task is to find the women that are naturally attracted to you, and from there make your move.

Please don't be a hard-head or glutton for pain and make your moves on women who do not find you attractive, this will only lead to an exercise in frustration.

How can you tell if she is attracted to you, simple silly, she will return your EC and give you a hint of a smile. But like the post above you must show "dominance" and confidence. Make your move when she is receptive, you know EC/Smile then open convo. Practice, practice.....

My friend, life is good, and it is up to you to make the best of it.

Fundamental Rule #1 of existence: All humanity has and equal and unalienable right to exist. Therefore, you have the same rights as anybody else to live!! Know this by heart and confidence will flow to you!

-Sapiens