Seduction is an area of this site that has been neglected and signficantly underestimated. Everytime that you've successfully number-closed a chick, or kiss-closed a chick, or fvck-closed a chick, you must have seduced her in SOME WAY in order for her to be attracted enough to comply to your requests.
Conversely, everytime that a woman has neglected to give her phone number, or flaked when you've phoned her, or stopped you when you've tried sliding her panties off, you have FAILED to properly seduce her.
Seduction can be defined as: To entice or beguile into a desired state or position
The goal behind seduction is to push your target into the desired state of mind so that she will do what you want her to do. This goes hand in hand with attraction because by you making her FEEL certain sensations, and experience states of mind, she will be ATTRACTED to the way that YOU make her feel.
There are many different tactics and maneuvers for pushing your target though the states that you want her to experience. I will discuss a few of those here.
Mirroring
Have you ever had a deep, interesting conversation with somebody that you were comfortable with, and noticed that your posture almost directly matches theirs? You probably didn't, because it happens in your sub-concious. When two people are comfortable with each other, their postures MIRROR one another to the point where if you were to change your stance, they would change their stance. Your breathing patterns might mirror. All of this happens without EITHER party consciously noticing.
The act of Mirroring in seduction suggests that if you mirror HER posture, her sub-concious will pick up on this and assume that she is COMFORTABLE AND that rapport exists between the two of you. Begin by keeping a 2 second delay from when she changes posture. Keep focus on her eyes, do not look at the parts of her body that are shifting or you'll draw attention to her concious mind that you are monitoring her body. Afer a few minutes into the conversation, you can shorten the delay to about a second, and finally instantaneous. So everytime she moves, you move. Try to mirror her breath frequency and depth. Soon, you'll notice that SHE will be mirroring YOU, because her sub-conscious is convinced that she must be comfortable with you.
Trance Words
When you have a deep, meaningful conversation with a chick, you'll notice that the words that are important to her, she repeats over and over. It is these words that have VALUE to her. These are her TRANCE WORDS. In a conversation, try to use these words as much as you can, so that her sub-conscious will pick up on it and realize that they must be important to you too. But repeating these words back to her, she will think that you sincerely understand her and can relate to what she is talking about. For example:
You: What do you think is the most important part of a relationship?
Her: Well I think that it is so important to have honesty and trust. If you can't trust your parnter
than the relationship really can't evolve past the surface level.
(Trance Word: Trust)
You: Yeah, I understand exactly what you're saying. Two people must be able to trust each other, because without trust, we can never really acheive full potential as a couple.
Notice how I would basically repeat what she said to me, except I changed the words. She notices that my beliefs are very similar to hers (of course they are, SHE JUST TOLD ME WHAT THEY WERE!). She sees this as a "connection" of some sort. From this commonality we can build.
Value
The most important part of seduction IMO, is demonstrating your value. If you approach a woman, and she blows you off, or if she never returns your calls, or if she turns you down for a date, you have not shown her the VALUE that you can provide to her.
If she sees no VALUE in you, than she has no reason to pick up the phone to call you, or to make an effort to see you again. You are no good to her without some type of VALUE. Now when we speak of value, it could be: good looks/muscles, humor, intellegence, your great mood, positive outlook, money, power. All of these are examples of what SOME WOMEN value. Lets take good looks/big muscles for example. When she is around you, your presence alone makes her horney and she gets leaky puzzy. She loves feeling this way, therefore she sees VALUE in you. Now lets take great mood. If you are always in a great mood, optomistic than you can make her feel good and positive no matter HOW she feels. She will notice that everytime she is around you her attitude changes and she feels HAPPY. This is a VALUE that you bring to her.
You cannot expect her to want to be with you just because you are you, you NEED to demonstrate value.
Eliciting Values
Eliciting Values is different than demonstrating your value. When you are Eliciting Values, you are finding out what is important to her, what SHE values, transforming into a man that can give her that, and finally providing her with it. In order for you to Elicit Value, you must first ask questions that will give you important information about her values. This is why I said in my recent posts that you cannot just go into a Pick-Up saying the first thing that comes to your mind. You must ask questions that will ONLY get her panties closer to her ankles. By asking random questions and ignoring the answers you are wasting vital time. For example:
Me: So what is it that you like to do with your spare time?
Her: I like to exercise, rock climb, and write poetry.
Me: Wow, rock climbing, what is it that you like about that?
Her: I like how it is a little dangerous, it is exciting.
From this conversation, I've discovered that she likes to feel a little in danger. She loves the excitment of living on the edge. From this you should TRANSFORM yourself into a man that can provide her with these feelings that SHE VALUES! You can do this by taking her out on an exciting date, driving waaay past the speed limit, or PATTERNING her about dangerous things (more on patterning later) Lets take another example...
Me: What traits to you find sexy in a man?
Her: I love a guy that is aggressive and confident with himself.
Me: Oh ok, how does that make you feel when your with a guy like that?
Her: Umm...well I feel like he's in control and I feel secure.
So in this case you know that being passive is not going to work for you. You need to TAKE CONTROL of every situation and do things that make her feel safe with you. Why? Because this is what SHE VALUES! Everytime you have a conversation with a chick, ELICIT VALUE so that you know what she admires and desires. When you know what she desires, GIVE IT TO HER!
Amazing Connection
I have yet to meet a woman who is not mesmorized by the thought of meeting her "soul-mate" or love at first sight. Most women believe they are living their own fairytale and are searching for the male star. In order to become that male star, you must bring it to her attention that you two have a lot of things in common and it is amazing to connect with somebody on such a level. To do this:
1) Ask her what she likes to do with her spare time.
2) Pick one of the activities that likes to do
3) Talk about how much you love it, and how rare it is to find somebody that has the same passion in it as you.
4) Continue to talk about it, get her to FEEL what it feels like to engage in this activity.
Do this as much as you possibly can. If you notice any commanalities at all, bring them to her attention so that she believes you are her romance novel man, her soul mate. After you've done this a few times, say something along the lines of:
"Can you remember what it felt like when you were in front of somebody that you maybe just recently met, but it feels like you've known this person for ever? You feel yourself start to relax, and open up to him because it seems so natural, as if we connect on some deeper level? With me, I don't think it can be forced, but when it does happen, it feels amazing"
By saying this, I am asking her to remember a time that she felt this way. In order for her to remember that, she has to FEEL IT. So you are calling up this feeling of being comfortable in front of you, then you just keep feeding the fire by talking about his deep connection and how great it feels. She will be feeling the connection while in your presence, therefore assume that the connection is WITH you.
Patterning
This takes us into patterning. Patterning is the use of words that cause her to feel a certain way, and experience a certain state of mind. In order for her to feel a certain way, you must recreate the scenario which would cause her to feel this. For example, if you've Elicited Values, and found out that she loves to feel safe in a man's presence, then you could say something like this:
"Can you remember a time when you were 100% comfortable and secure around somebody. When you walked holding his hand, you could feel his energy watching over you, it felt like you could never be harmed, he is your knight in shining armor and no matter what happened, you always felt like you were safe and protected?"
Now, in order for her to tell you if she remembers this time, she has to FEEL what you are talking about. In this case, she has to FEEL PROTECTED to tell me if she's ever felt this. The next thing she knows, YOU are making her feel protected just by your words. She'll eventually notice that she feels safe around you, but can't figure out why. It is because your words recreated this feeling inside of her. She won't care about what caused it, but instead WHO caused it.
If you want her to feel horney, you could say something like this:
"My brother just called me, he just lost his virginity this weekend and he was asking me for tips. Remember back when you were younger, and you had this one lover that could always do things to your body that would send tingles dancing down your spine, and could cause butterflies to tickle your belly. This person would penetrate you with his thoughts and just his presence along caused tingles to run down your arms, to the ends of your finger tips."
If all goes well, she will feel the tingles as I describe them. She has to feel them now to compare them to see if she's ever felt them in the past.
Routines
Before you go into a PU, you should have certain target STATES in your mind. You should have a schedule of what state you want your target to be in, at what point. Everything you say should progress towards getting her ready to fvck you. There should be nothing that digresses the conversation. An example routine might be something like this:
1) Introduction
2) Use Trance words and Mirror to make her feel comfortable
3) Elicit her values and regurgitate them back
4) Run the amazing connection on her so that she trusts you
5) Disarm her by seperating yourself from others
6) Use sexual accelerators like Kino and Patterning to turn her on
7) Try to f-close her, if not get her number
# Closing
Getting phone numbers is emphasized WAY too much on this board. As great as it feels to get phone numbers, rarely does it ever pan out into a fvck. The reason is, I'm willing to bet there were so many times in YOUR past that you were talking to a chick for the first time, and she was so attracted to you and turned on that she WOULD have fvcked you, have you not ended the seduction prematurly by getting her phone number. when you get a phone number, she is going with her emotions, she is going with feelings. BUT when you go to call her, she has time to analyze the facts such as (is he really good looking, do I have time for him, am I really attracted to him). Giving her time to think can only be bad for you. It would be a much better option to get her turned on, isolate her from the public, and make your move on her.
If you ARE going to number close her, make sure that you have seduced her properly so that she sees enough VALUE in you to bother with you again. A lot of recent # number flakes on this board have been product of the guy not attracting her enough during the initial PU.
The Woman's Attitude
Women love to fvck. This is 100% true. Women love to fvck just as much as men do. However, to prevent themselves from feeling like a slut, you must create a real or superficial relationship with her INSIDE OF HER MIND before she'll fvck you. Most chicks WILL NOT sleep with you if you haven't shown her your value and established that connection with her. When she feels that connection, she can validate her slutty actions by saying "Oh he's different, the chemistry is amazing between us"...THEN, her fvck is validated by the fact that you two are magically "meant to be".
She'll fvck you if you show her it's ok to do so.
-Blitz
[This message has been edited by xblitz44x (edited 10-02-2002).]
Conversely, everytime that a woman has neglected to give her phone number, or flaked when you've phoned her, or stopped you when you've tried sliding her panties off, you have FAILED to properly seduce her.
Seduction can be defined as: To entice or beguile into a desired state or position
The goal behind seduction is to push your target into the desired state of mind so that she will do what you want her to do. This goes hand in hand with attraction because by you making her FEEL certain sensations, and experience states of mind, she will be ATTRACTED to the way that YOU make her feel.
There are many different tactics and maneuvers for pushing your target though the states that you want her to experience. I will discuss a few of those here.
Mirroring
Have you ever had a deep, interesting conversation with somebody that you were comfortable with, and noticed that your posture almost directly matches theirs? You probably didn't, because it happens in your sub-concious. When two people are comfortable with each other, their postures MIRROR one another to the point where if you were to change your stance, they would change their stance. Your breathing patterns might mirror. All of this happens without EITHER party consciously noticing.
The act of Mirroring in seduction suggests that if you mirror HER posture, her sub-concious will pick up on this and assume that she is COMFORTABLE AND that rapport exists between the two of you. Begin by keeping a 2 second delay from when she changes posture. Keep focus on her eyes, do not look at the parts of her body that are shifting or you'll draw attention to her concious mind that you are monitoring her body. Afer a few minutes into the conversation, you can shorten the delay to about a second, and finally instantaneous. So everytime she moves, you move. Try to mirror her breath frequency and depth. Soon, you'll notice that SHE will be mirroring YOU, because her sub-conscious is convinced that she must be comfortable with you.
Trance Words
When you have a deep, meaningful conversation with a chick, you'll notice that the words that are important to her, she repeats over and over. It is these words that have VALUE to her. These are her TRANCE WORDS. In a conversation, try to use these words as much as you can, so that her sub-conscious will pick up on it and realize that they must be important to you too. But repeating these words back to her, she will think that you sincerely understand her and can relate to what she is talking about. For example:
You: What do you think is the most important part of a relationship?
Her: Well I think that it is so important to have honesty and trust. If you can't trust your parnter
than the relationship really can't evolve past the surface level.
(Trance Word: Trust)
You: Yeah, I understand exactly what you're saying. Two people must be able to trust each other, because without trust, we can never really acheive full potential as a couple.
Notice how I would basically repeat what she said to me, except I changed the words. She notices that my beliefs are very similar to hers (of course they are, SHE JUST TOLD ME WHAT THEY WERE!). She sees this as a "connection" of some sort. From this commonality we can build.
Value
The most important part of seduction IMO, is demonstrating your value. If you approach a woman, and she blows you off, or if she never returns your calls, or if she turns you down for a date, you have not shown her the VALUE that you can provide to her.
If she sees no VALUE in you, than she has no reason to pick up the phone to call you, or to make an effort to see you again. You are no good to her without some type of VALUE. Now when we speak of value, it could be: good looks/muscles, humor, intellegence, your great mood, positive outlook, money, power. All of these are examples of what SOME WOMEN value. Lets take good looks/big muscles for example. When she is around you, your presence alone makes her horney and she gets leaky puzzy. She loves feeling this way, therefore she sees VALUE in you. Now lets take great mood. If you are always in a great mood, optomistic than you can make her feel good and positive no matter HOW she feels. She will notice that everytime she is around you her attitude changes and she feels HAPPY. This is a VALUE that you bring to her.
You cannot expect her to want to be with you just because you are you, you NEED to demonstrate value.
Eliciting Values
Eliciting Values is different than demonstrating your value. When you are Eliciting Values, you are finding out what is important to her, what SHE values, transforming into a man that can give her that, and finally providing her with it. In order for you to Elicit Value, you must first ask questions that will give you important information about her values. This is why I said in my recent posts that you cannot just go into a Pick-Up saying the first thing that comes to your mind. You must ask questions that will ONLY get her panties closer to her ankles. By asking random questions and ignoring the answers you are wasting vital time. For example:
Me: So what is it that you like to do with your spare time?
Her: I like to exercise, rock climb, and write poetry.
Me: Wow, rock climbing, what is it that you like about that?
Her: I like how it is a little dangerous, it is exciting.
From this conversation, I've discovered that she likes to feel a little in danger. She loves the excitment of living on the edge. From this you should TRANSFORM yourself into a man that can provide her with these feelings that SHE VALUES! You can do this by taking her out on an exciting date, driving waaay past the speed limit, or PATTERNING her about dangerous things (more on patterning later) Lets take another example...
Me: What traits to you find sexy in a man?
Her: I love a guy that is aggressive and confident with himself.
Me: Oh ok, how does that make you feel when your with a guy like that?
Her: Umm...well I feel like he's in control and I feel secure.
So in this case you know that being passive is not going to work for you. You need to TAKE CONTROL of every situation and do things that make her feel safe with you. Why? Because this is what SHE VALUES! Everytime you have a conversation with a chick, ELICIT VALUE so that you know what she admires and desires. When you know what she desires, GIVE IT TO HER!
Amazing Connection
I have yet to meet a woman who is not mesmorized by the thought of meeting her "soul-mate" or love at first sight. Most women believe they are living their own fairytale and are searching for the male star. In order to become that male star, you must bring it to her attention that you two have a lot of things in common and it is amazing to connect with somebody on such a level. To do this:
1) Ask her what she likes to do with her spare time.
2) Pick one of the activities that likes to do
3) Talk about how much you love it, and how rare it is to find somebody that has the same passion in it as you.
4) Continue to talk about it, get her to FEEL what it feels like to engage in this activity.
Do this as much as you possibly can. If you notice any commanalities at all, bring them to her attention so that she believes you are her romance novel man, her soul mate. After you've done this a few times, say something along the lines of:
"Can you remember what it felt like when you were in front of somebody that you maybe just recently met, but it feels like you've known this person for ever? You feel yourself start to relax, and open up to him because it seems so natural, as if we connect on some deeper level? With me, I don't think it can be forced, but when it does happen, it feels amazing"
By saying this, I am asking her to remember a time that she felt this way. In order for her to remember that, she has to FEEL IT. So you are calling up this feeling of being comfortable in front of you, then you just keep feeding the fire by talking about his deep connection and how great it feels. She will be feeling the connection while in your presence, therefore assume that the connection is WITH you.
Patterning
This takes us into patterning. Patterning is the use of words that cause her to feel a certain way, and experience a certain state of mind. In order for her to feel a certain way, you must recreate the scenario which would cause her to feel this. For example, if you've Elicited Values, and found out that she loves to feel safe in a man's presence, then you could say something like this:
"Can you remember a time when you were 100% comfortable and secure around somebody. When you walked holding his hand, you could feel his energy watching over you, it felt like you could never be harmed, he is your knight in shining armor and no matter what happened, you always felt like you were safe and protected?"
Now, in order for her to tell you if she remembers this time, she has to FEEL what you are talking about. In this case, she has to FEEL PROTECTED to tell me if she's ever felt this. The next thing she knows, YOU are making her feel protected just by your words. She'll eventually notice that she feels safe around you, but can't figure out why. It is because your words recreated this feeling inside of her. She won't care about what caused it, but instead WHO caused it.
If you want her to feel horney, you could say something like this:
"My brother just called me, he just lost his virginity this weekend and he was asking me for tips. Remember back when you were younger, and you had this one lover that could always do things to your body that would send tingles dancing down your spine, and could cause butterflies to tickle your belly. This person would penetrate you with his thoughts and just his presence along caused tingles to run down your arms, to the ends of your finger tips."
If all goes well, she will feel the tingles as I describe them. She has to feel them now to compare them to see if she's ever felt them in the past.
Routines
Before you go into a PU, you should have certain target STATES in your mind. You should have a schedule of what state you want your target to be in, at what point. Everything you say should progress towards getting her ready to fvck you. There should be nothing that digresses the conversation. An example routine might be something like this:
1) Introduction
2) Use Trance words and Mirror to make her feel comfortable
3) Elicit her values and regurgitate them back
4) Run the amazing connection on her so that she trusts you
5) Disarm her by seperating yourself from others
6) Use sexual accelerators like Kino and Patterning to turn her on
7) Try to f-close her, if not get her number
# Closing
Getting phone numbers is emphasized WAY too much on this board. As great as it feels to get phone numbers, rarely does it ever pan out into a fvck. The reason is, I'm willing to bet there were so many times in YOUR past that you were talking to a chick for the first time, and she was so attracted to you and turned on that she WOULD have fvcked you, have you not ended the seduction prematurly by getting her phone number. when you get a phone number, she is going with her emotions, she is going with feelings. BUT when you go to call her, she has time to analyze the facts such as (is he really good looking, do I have time for him, am I really attracted to him). Giving her time to think can only be bad for you. It would be a much better option to get her turned on, isolate her from the public, and make your move on her.
If you ARE going to number close her, make sure that you have seduced her properly so that she sees enough VALUE in you to bother with you again. A lot of recent # number flakes on this board have been product of the guy not attracting her enough during the initial PU.
The Woman's Attitude
Women love to fvck. This is 100% true. Women love to fvck just as much as men do. However, to prevent themselves from feeling like a slut, you must create a real or superficial relationship with her INSIDE OF HER MIND before she'll fvck you. Most chicks WILL NOT sleep with you if you haven't shown her your value and established that connection with her. When she feels that connection, she can validate her slutty actions by saying "Oh he's different, the chemistry is amazing between us"...THEN, her fvck is validated by the fact that you two are magically "meant to be".
She'll fvck you if you show her it's ok to do so.
-Blitz
[This message has been edited by xblitz44x (edited 10-02-2002).]
