Second lay in 3 days - POF

[Zarky]

Here's the previous girl from OKC I did on Thursday:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1997310

Last night I banged a new chick, this time from POF (one new lay left to get my 40x40 badge!). 7 face 5 body, mid 30s, divorced. Not exactly a challenge but then again I'm not into challenges.

Here's our POF conversation in its entirety, for what it's worth.

The initial part of this convo took place over the course of a couple of days. Breaks have been omitted except for the five-day break that's meaningful.

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ME: [Generic cut-and-paste saying she looks interesting and asking how the web site is working for her. When I'm super horny I'll send out the max allowed 40 of these per day on POF.]

HER: Ummm...not all that impressed... Sadly

ME: nooo why?

HER: Bunch of creepy-mc-creepsters really...haha

ME: Uh oh, are they all into sex and stuff? I might be one of those.

HER: Lol..... That's not the problem really, I don't know, more like older creepy dudes... I get the occasional perve, but if he's cute, I don't mind so much ;;-)

ME: Well that's good to hear. Wouldn't call myself a PERVE though So you haven't been on any dates at all yet?

HER: Oh I've been on several actually... Just a lot of creepy old dudes emailing me lately......

ME: Glad to hear it. About the dates that is. So what kind of fun can we get ourselves into in [her town]?

HER: Not a whole lot, it's pretty boring really. [Nearby town] is pretty fun though. Has a good night life

ME: Interesting. Well I'll be in [distant city] most of this week, but what kind of availability do you normally have?

HER: I spend a lot of time at work, next two weekends are free through.

ME: All right, we'll do something fun soon.

HER: ;-)

[Five days later]

HER: Back in [my city]?

ME: heck yes, let me know when you have some free time.

HER: Tonight

ME: what did you have in mind?

HER: ****tails and......?? I need some fun in my life.

ME: works for me. Any cute little places to meet there by you?

HER: My apartment....haha. Let me think about that. Here's my number..[her number], I will come up with something..

ME: I don't mind your apartment either. Here's mine: [my number]. Just let me know where and when and I'll see you there.

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Then convo then switched to text messaging. She figured out time and place to have drinks (not her apartment). We met there, had a couple of drinks (I paid, she offered to help), went back to her place and banged it out. stayed over, this morning did the same.

So it's quite clear that this one and the previous one sort of fell into my lap with little work on my part. Sometimes this happens, but it's fairly rare (for me), and especially rare for it to happen twice in 3 days. Unlike the other one, who gave little feedback and expected me to make all the moves, this one was clearly interested and invited me back to her place with no prodding whatsoever. She clearly wanted to get it on.

I think the thing that can be learned is not so much "gaming" here but that you've got to send out zillions of messages on POF and OKC. She could have just as easily banged some other guy.. just so happens my email got in front of her eyes at an opportune time.

This morning I had a tennis first-date with another chick and there was zero chemistry and we won't be seeing each other again. Tennis dates are fun 'cause I enjoy the sport but they never turn into anything more, so I can't say I was surprised.

This is going to sound weird but I'm predicting a fairly early and warm summer in my area. Heat is definitely related to female horniness (from what I've seen) and if chicks are this easy this early in the year then I have a feeling it's going to warm up quickly. I've been noticing a trend where I get laid the quickest and easiest when temps start to rise. Happened last year. Banged 8 chicks and it was the hottest year on record in my area. Kind of a kooky prediction but we'll see if it holds true.

EDIT:

And someone in a previous thread asked why I fish online dating sites rather than do other forms of pickup. The answer is because it's free and easy. I spend a sh*t-ton of time in front of the computer anyway, I don't like bars or clubs, and so why not? No, the women aren't usually as hot as clubs but, I mean... that lay took 10 minutes of emailing total and the cost of a few drinks. If I went into bars and clubs I'd be paying just to be there with no guarantee of anything happening.

Furthermore, I'm short and skinny and pretty nondescript. I don't really have a forceful personality and my dancing is pretty weak. So those forums do not play to my strong suits.

I guess online dating is my niche. If yours is elsewhere (day game, clubs, church, whatever) then more power to you. I don't think there's one best way to get laid for every guy. Just hone your skills for your niche, do the same thing over and over, and if you want you'll be turning out lays like clockwork.

 

[ARrocket]

Congrats Zarky! Sounds like you'll get into that club in no time at all

You mentioned it yourself, but as soon as I read that conversation log my first thought was "uhh...he didn't really do much of anything, it was pretty much a done deal by the 4th message." To be honest, I hope your text game is a little better when it needs to be

So you've never had a successful tennis date? I am an avid player myself, but I have never even considered doing it as a date. A) Playing tennis with people who don't play the sport is super boring for me, and B) Not much kino opportunity, she could get self-conscious about her sweaty-state, etc.

But I agree, online dating is good for a guy like me; I don't think I have the looks for night game. I am decent looking but pretty short, so that's a big disadvantage. I've had good success online, but I'm becoming more of a fan of day game myself!

 

[Bushmaster]

How far are you willing to drive? I have a 15 mile rule but that is limiting. Although all online dates require they meet me close to my house.

 

[Desdinova]

I think the thing that can be learned is not so much "gaming" here but that you've got to send out zillions of messages on POF and OKC. She could have just as easily banged some other guy.. just so happens my email got in front of her eyes at an opportune time.

That's the truth. I find that I usually have to send out about 30-50 messages in order to get one successful date. Because the odds are better out in the real world, I only use online dating to meet women during the hours that I can't do it offline.

 

[Packers2010]

i have a question man.

i recently. Sunday night. got 2 numbers from pof and okc.

how would you say i take it to the next level with both of them. i haven't set up the date. i just told them i will text them.

it's monday. so i'll text them today so they have my number and then text again on Wednesday to see for the weekend.

also. most of my c and p messages fall flat. could be a look sissue on my part. not ripped. ( this is online game, so i can't just use my game to win her over)

how would you say you would continue with messages when they come back but there not too positive.

i just ignore what they say and move on to something else. which hasn't been working. ( the 2 numbers i got came back very positive. like the message hooked them, most girls don't by naughty ningas wedding c and p)

 

[Zarky]

Keep in mind that a big part of "game" is avoiding shooting yourself in the foot. The only "game" I threw in my online conversation with her was when she pretended not to be interested in sex by telling me of the "creepy" guys contacting her. I said "I might be one of those" as a funny way of saying "Honey, I'm here to f*ck and I'm not going to pretend otherwise." Her following reply basically said, "Ok, let's do it." After that I completely stopped any sort of gaming. I just qualified her by asking if she'd been out on any previous dates -- the more she's already been out with guys the more likely she'll put out for you.

The only other part that might be considered gaming is when she said she wanted to do something "tonight" and I said "What do you have in mind?" I was basically saying "I'd be willing to get together if we're going to f*ck." She replied affirmatively and so all that was left to do was set up the time and place to meet. I probably could have asked for her address at that point, gotten it and saved myself even the cost of those drinks.

Most guys would have jumped at the chance when she said "tonight." The fact that I still qualified her for sex by asking what she had in mind showed that I had other options that night, and in fact I did. I was originally planning to spend that night with a 7-month girlfriend whom I ended up blowing off to bang this chick, and from whose couch I'm typing this post right now.

But if there's any takeaway from my convo above, it's how not to over-game and f*ck up a relatively sure thing (which I have done on several occasions).

I see a lot of text/email convos posted here that make me cringe because of the over-gaming. IMHO once a girl has given you her number she's already at least somewhat interested. Your first text should be playful and fun rather than ****y.

Saw one guy here send something along the lines of "Here's my number, keep it because it's the most important one you'll have on your phone." Ick. Reeks of desperation. She should be rewarded every time she complies. If she gave you her number, she's complied and your first text should reward her in a slight way for that.

 

[Zarky]

As far as cut and paste messages go, I don't think you should get too cute with them. Make them short and ask a piquant question. Mine asking about their online experience is a bit overplayed at this point so I'll probably have to figure out something else soon.

But don't overthink it. C&P messages have basically one purpose -- to get yourself in front of as many women as possible. If they're too clever they look like mass spams and I think most of NN's C&Ps look like that.

Even after a woman responds to my C&P, I ask her what she thinks of my (sexual but not crude) profile. This assures that she's read the profile -- as some women don't -- and if she's still talking to me she's at least somewhat on board with the sex stuff.

I think the problem with NN's stuff is that -- correct me if I'm wrong -- he's never boned or even met up with any chick he's contacted on POF. It's one thing to get women to respond to your email and quite another to get them to end up screwing you. Just as it's one thing to get customers into your store and another thing to get them to buy something.

 

[Desdinova]

Allow me to throw my two cents in...

it's monday. so i'll text them today so they have my number and then text again on Wednesday to see for the weekend.

I don't put too much thought on when to text women in the beginning. The reason is I've got them already interested, and I have to maintain that interest until the first date. The first date is when you can use your game to keep them hooked. After that, you can put in some nice gaps in yoru texting to keep her wondering about you.

also. most of my c and p messages fall flat. could be a look sissue on my part. not ripped.

I c and p about half the time. If she's really hot and I can find something interesting in her picture or profile to comment on, then I do that. Usually it's something that will give her an emotional reaction like "A green hat? Why?" Works quite well. The point is to get the ball rolling with your first message. If she asks why I even bothered messaging her, I ignore her question and tell her something funny.

Other than that, I c and p a message about how she's deleting messages from desperate men calling her pet names. That goes over really well too.

As for pictures, I only have one of myself. I look like an a55hole in it. My profile is flat-out honest with a bit of humor mixed in. I mention that I don't want a fattie and that I want a woman who's feminine. It also helps filter out the chicks with 30 tattoos.

But if there's any takeaway from my convo above, it's how not to over-game and f*ck up a relatively sure thing (which I have done on several occasions).

I've done that many times as well. It's relatively easy to over-game on POF. I have a naturally ****y/funny personality and I really have to restrain myself from using it too much. What I've found is that you need to build up rapport first and foremost, get the number, text back and forth for a bit, get the first date (usually coffee), then game her. It's a lot more time-consuming and the order of how to seduce her is mixed up a bit differently.

 

[incognito42]

Great job dude, you obviously have the right mindset. You know exactly what you're looking for and what pof is good for. Great post and good idea posting the pof convo of a chick you got an easy lay from, it can probably help.

Really agree with the part about pof being free Nd easy. Some just don't like the idea of the concept and certain aspects that make it diff from real life gaming, but I never get the ones who say it's souch more work or harder. I used it specifically because it was so easy. You have so many options at your disposal in one place 24/7 and 365 days a year. You can pick and choose anytime of day to go on, and no matter where you're at or what you're doing you can access the site i.e. Have 5-10 mins to kill at work, at the airport, or for me when i was relaxong on my backporch after getting home from work. very little time is actually needed if you have a plan like Zarky and don't get into endless chit chat.

 

[Naughty Ninja]

As far as cut and paste messages go, I don't think you should get too cute with them. Make them short and ask a piquant question. Mine asking about their online experience is a bit overplayed at this point so I'll probably have to figure out something else soon.

But don't overthink it. C&P messages have basically one purpose -- to get yourself in front of as many women as possible. If they're too clever they look like mass spams and I think most of NN's C&Ps look like that.

Even after a woman responds to my C&P, I ask her what she thinks of my (sexual but not crude) profile. This assures that she's read the profile -- as some women don't -- and if she's still talking to me she's at least somewhat on board with the sex stuff.

I think the problem with NN's stuff is that -- correct me if I'm wrong -- he's never boned or even met up with any chick he's contacted on POF. It's one thing to get women to respond to your email and quite another to get them to end up screwing you. Just as it's one thing to get customers into your store and another thing to get them to buy something.

I just don't see if I met Zero or 1000 chicks off POF how that would determine someone elses success on POF.

Best looking pics.

Good wuick funny opener.

Brief eye catching witty subliminally sexual profile.

If you meet enough chicks in real life you don't need to meet chicks you know are whack-a-doos from online.

I have met YEARS ago a few hot chicks from Match, myspace. And every one of them was a loon. Had my fun and met girlfriends in real life.

I could EASILY meet loads of them from online. Hell I've had many throwing their numbers out before I'd even asked. Just haven't felt like it. No need when I work my part time meeting chicks all the friggin time.

If it works for dudes it works. If not. No big deal.

 

[Zarky]

Talk talk talk... anybody can get on the internet and tell everyone how they could "easily" do blah blah blah. You don't, so you don't know. Simple as that. Getting chicks to give you their numbers online or whatever is a WHOLE lot easier than getting chicks to invite you into their beds on the first date.

 

[ARrocket]

The only other part that might be considered gaming is when she said she wanted to do something "tonight" and I said "What do you have in mind?" I was basically saying "I'd be willing to get together if we're going to f*ck." She replied affirmatively and so all that was left to do was set up the time and place to meet. I probably could have asked for her address at that point, gotten it and saved myself even the cost of those drinks.

Most guys would have jumped at the chance when she said "tonight." The fact that I still qualified her for sex by asking what she had in mind showed that I had other options that night, and in fact I did.

Ehh...see I was thinking that reply was coming off kinda weak, like "I dunno...what do YOU wanna do?" type sh!t.

But perhaps I should reconsider.

 

[Naughty Ninja]

Talk talk talk... anybody can get on the internet and tell everyone how they could "easily" do blah blah blah. You don't, so you don't know. Simple as that. Getting chicks to give you their numbers online or whatever is a WHOLE lot easier than getting chicks to invite you into their beds on the first date.

Hahahaha. True! And anyone can also get on the internet telling random strangers how much they get "laid" all the time.

No complaints/bvtthurt posts coming from the Ninja man!

 

[incognito42]

Talk talk talk... anybody can get on the internet and tell everyone how they could "easily" do blah blah blah. You don't, so you don't know. Simple as that. Getting chicks to give you their numbers online or whatever is a WHOLE lot easier than getting chicks to invite you into their beds on the first date.

I didn't deviate ONE BIT from naughty ninjas strategy and I screwed a half dozen chicks in a couple months and had dozens of others sending nude pics, phone sex, and almost begging to meet up. If I was motivated to do so I could've banged 5 new chicks per month on there as a low estimate. Prolly 60-100 chicks in one year o could bang from JUST using his strategy. I'm almost interested in testing myself and seeing just how many I can get. It got so easy on there it was boring and no fun

Everyone here should be on the same team, so why be an argumentative d bag to someone who's trying to help?

 

[Zarky]

^^^^ Cool, can you link to your field reports of these lays? I must have missed them. Thx. You must have quite a number of other hobbies to get "bored" with boning 2 new girls every week.

Ehh...see I was thinking that reply was coming off kinda weak, like "I dunno...what do YOU wanna do?" type sh!t.

But perhaps I should reconsider.

Gotta read between the lines Here, I'll do it for you...

HER: Bunch of creepy-mc-creepsters really...haha
I'm pretending I'm a good girl.

ME: Uh oh, are they all into sex and stuff? I might be one of those.
I'm here to f*ck and I'm bold enough to say it.

HER: Lol..... That's not the problem really, I don't know, more like older creepy dudes... I get the occasional perve, but if he's cute, I don't mind so much ;;-)
LOL you didn't buy my ruse. Ok let's f*ck.

ME: Well that's good to hear. Wouldn't call myself a PERVE though So you haven't been on any dates at all yet?
Are you just talk or do you actually f*ck?

HER: Oh I've been on several actually... Just a lot of creepy old dudes emailing me lately......
I actually f*ck.

ME: Glad to hear it. About the dates that is. So what kind of fun can we get ourselves into in [her town]?
We'll be f*cking at your place.

HER: Not a whole lot, it's pretty boring really. [Nearby town] is pretty fun though. Has a good night life
Take me out first so I don't feel like a total slut.

ME: Interesting. Well I'll be in [distant city] most of this week, but what kind of availability do you normally have?
When are you free to f*ck?

HER: I spend a lot of time at work, next two weekends are free through.
Next two weekends.

ME: All right, we'll do something fun soon.
Not going to nail down a specific time because other b*tches may pop up.

HER: ;-)
Ok

[Five days later]

HER: Back in [my city]?
I'm bored and you seemed at least somewhat attractive and interesting last time we talked. Want to f*ck?

ME: heck yes, let me know when you have some free time.
Sure, like right now or soon?

HER: Tonight
Tonight.

ME: what did you have in mind?
Ok, it's Saturday night and I have other options so you better confirm that we're actually going to be f*cking.

HER: ****tails and......?? I need some fun in my life.
Get me drunk and we'll f*ck, for sure.

ME: works for me. Any cute little places to meet there by you?
Fine. You're clearly into me so you make the plans.

HER: My apartment....haha. Let me think about that. Here's my number..[her number], I will come up with something..
If you'd been bold enough to ask for my address I would have given it to you. Since you didn't, you're going to be buying me drinks.

ME: I don't mind your apartment either. Here's mine: [my number]. Just let me know where and when and I'll see you there.
Sh*t, I know I screwed up but I'll try to make a last play at coming straight over.

Minor f*ckup at the end and it cost me $45 or so for drinks. But sealed the deal in the end.

I'm starting to think that most of the time "game" is less about talking yourself into girls pants and more about avoiding talking yourself out of them.

 

[Purefilth]

^^ Heh lovin the read between the lines. Well translated.


youre gonna have to add a few more in to your 40/40 challenge - at this rate you could aim for 60/40 - otherwise, you'll hit the acheivement next week and think

"well that was too easy, why didnt I make it a challenge for myself?"

60/40 = Bigger challenge, something to really work hard at - just my thoughts

 

[incognito42]

^^^^ Cool, can you link to your field reports of these lays? I must have missed them. Thx. You must have quite a number of other hobbies to get "bored" with boning 2 new girls every week.


Gotta read between the lines Here, I'll do it for you...


Minor f*ckup at the end and it cost me $45 or so for drinks. But sealed the deal in the end.

I'm starting to think that most of the time "game" is less about talking yourself into girls pants and more about avoiding talking yourself out of them.

No. I considered posting reports strictly as a tool to help others here, but at the end of the day it felt too much like bragging so I opted not to. I did however strt a thread here and gave anyone that asked access to my pof account to read my emails.

It was so easy to get numbers and nude pics and dates that it got boring and began drastically changing my outlook on ALL women in a very negative way. It just became boring and mundane...step 1: spam a copy/paste...step 2: send same 3 messages and attain number...step 3: send a couple texts, exchange a couple dirty pics, and setup date/fvck meet...Rinse. Cycle. Repeat... On top of it just becoming boring, I work 2 jobs and enjoy smoking weed and playing video games and doing things with my limited free time that don't involve chicks. I met my gf a month and a half into my pof Vag killing spree and stayed on there for maybe another 2 months and then shut down my acct.

This isn't a pissing comtest though. I give you nothing but props, and I'm happy for your success. But why be a confrontational dyck to someone who's directly responsible for getting more chicks banged by guys on this site then 99% of the posters here.

I'm a completely average guy and even a bit odd looking by general sstandards and following ONLY NN's method I started getting chicks like never before so I've gotta defend the stuff he posts

 

[incognito42]

But don't overthink it. C&P messages have basically one purpose -- to get yourself in front of as many women as possible. If they're too clever they look like mass spams and I think most of NN's C&Ps look like that.

I disagree. It doesn't just put you in front of them, it allows you to stand out above all the lame and generic messages they get. Got over 200 numbers in 4 months using it, and more chicks than I can count that said it was the best message they ever got, and they seemed to be at a super high IL from the get go and often times were so impressed with th copy/paste that they would bend over backwards to get to know me and keep me interested

Plenty of dudes here have had great success with NN copy/paste

 

[Zarky]

great, more power to you and NN then. I'm just wary of using canned lines posted on the 'net. And I'm also kind of wary of guys saying "getting p*ssy was too easy and so I'd rather smoke weed and play video games." Either those guys have some serious low testosterone or ... something. Every guy in the history of humanity has wanted easy p*ssy and easy money.

That's like saying "yeah, my business venture was making too much money so I stopped. I just got bored with the huge amount of cash my business was making so I'd rather sit around and smoke pot." LOL

 

[incognito42]

Really?


Puvssy might be the only thing that matters in your life, but I didnt care to use every free night I had to go out with a new chick.

Believe what you want. Maybe one day you'll get enough numbers and nude pics and lays using your strategy that you will not feel the need to get home
From work at 6pm and be texting and messaging 1-2 dozen chicks and then having to setup meets every night of the week.

I had souch success that the traditional male/female roles soon felt reversed to me. I began flaking on them all the time. Texting a lil and losing interest. Seeing how far and how soon I could psh these chicks to and me
Nude pics. My brain started getting polluted and I felt kinda "dirty", I guess you could say. I was juggling so many chicks at all times that it felt like work. Hours would pass by when I got outta work and all of a sudden it would be bed time and I'd done nothing but sexted a half doZen chicks all night. I gained the perspective women have of having so many options that it was second nature to flake and blow people off and take why I wanted and leave what I didn't.

To a sex starved man sex is all thy matters in life, just like a starving man would give his left arm for a Big Mac. You give that same starving man a lifetime supply of Big Macs and he will eventually push them away when he's got his fill

So like I said, my world doesn't revolve around pvssy so I don't chase it with all my free time. I do th things I like to do, which yes at times include
Chilling the fvck out and unwinding by smoking a blunt and playing call of duty