Schlep's Cutting Journal

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It seems like there's a lot of info and journals on the board about bulking and lifting, but kind of a lack of cutting information, so I figred I'd contribute some. I'll try my best to update this as often as possible with progress, what I eat, and sometimes even how to cook it. I'd make a guess that this will be updated once or twice a week.

As a preface, I do my best to follow a modified version of the Dean Ornish 'diet', and have for a few years now. I say modified, because I take in a higher level of fats than he recommends (My 20-25% to his 10%). I also tend to eat meat with a lot of meals, while the Ornish diet in its ideal form, is a vegetarian way of eating.

Back in 2000, I was at work and they were taking pictures of people to put up on the intranet. The idea was that if you had a problem, you go see this guy. I was talking with one of the guys I worked with, and asked him, "Does this look bad?" "Yeah, it really does." Being 5'8" and 210lbs isn't a good idea, and I decided to do something about it.

I started off by going to the grocery store and buying food that I knew I should be eating. I also bought food that I liked eating, but instead of the regular, I bought the lighter versions. So ground beef became ground sirloin or very low-fat ground beef. Sour cream, miracle whip, cheese, etc all became light sour cream, light miracle whip and fat free cheese. You'd really be surprised how quickly you get used to the differences. The diet part I nailed; I've been eating right for years now. The getting active part, not so much.

Now I'm gonna start this American Beauty style and let you know that by the end of my first cutting cycle, I went from 210 lbs to 180 lbs. My pant size went from 38 to 34. I was feeling pretty good and getting lots of compliments. There was a problem, though; I accomplished all of this through 100% cardio. Not only had I probably lost a good amount of muscle (from the little upper body muscle I ever had to begin with), but I'd also lost the chance to more quickly lose weight. In that 12 week timeframe, I'd lost 30 pounds...but for all I know, I could've lost 60 and been at my goal a long time ago.

2000 was a long time ago, so what's happened recently? Now I'm back at school at the ripe old age of 25, getting my undergrad. Great environment, unless you're in my position. Last semester I somehow got back on the exercising schedule, doing almost exactly the same thing as before (100% cardio), and went from then 190 down to 180. I've yet to measure bodyfat, but that will be what I go by once I get my scale with BFA in the mail. It's not going to be entirely accurate, but it'll give a good picture of progress I think.

For the past month, I've been back on the program and actually feel this time like I did the first time around. Here's my routine (feel free to critique):

Every day (Abs)
I'm using an 8 lb medicine ball currently, and go straight from 1 set to another. (eg 1 set leg raises, 1 set oblique twists, 1 set leg raises, rinse and repeat)

Leg Raises 20x in 3 sets (demonstration, however I do one leg at a time)
Oblique twists 20x in 3 sets (demonstration, I use a medicine ball instead)

Six days a week (Cardio)
HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training)
On the treadmill, warmup for 5 minutes by increasing speed gradually from 2.5mph to 5.3mph and back down to 4.0mph for the final minute. Alternate the next twenty minutes with running at 7mph for one minute, and walking at 4mph for 1 minute. Reverse of the warmup to cool down. This is starting to feel like it may be getting easy, so this will probably see a change sometime soon.

Friday (Biceps/Triceps)
All are 3 sets (10, 8, 6 repetitions), increasing the weight on each set using machines for now. These are the exact machines I use.

Iso-Lateral Biceps Curl (pic)
Iso-Lateral Triceps Extension (pic)
Eagle Arm Curl (pic)
Arm extension (pic)

Sunday (Back/Chest)
All are 3 sets (10, 8, 6 repetitions), increasing the weight on each set using machines for now. These are the exact machines I use.

Iso-Lateral Row (pic)
Iso-Lateral Front Pulldown (pic)
Eagle Row (pic)
Eagle Chest Press (pic)
Iso-Lateral Decline Press (pic)


And that's the routine. I don't do any lower body exercises right now for two reasons. The first is that I want to be able to run six days a week, and the other is that I've always had fairly strong legs due to my years as a soccer player (can press about 500, possibly more). If you have any questions or comments, feel free. Otherwise I'll start with an update tomorrow of an average day of meals.
 
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ur body split is not very good.

it should be back/bicep

chest/tri


why are you using machines and not free weights
 

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Cool, thanks for the info on the split. I'll make that change this week. My lifting advice is from a friend who used to play noseguard for a top 5A school in Texas, so hopefully I'm on the right track.

As far as machines instead of freeweights, I've never lifted anything in my life. For the time being I'm more comfortable using machines that guide my movement and teach me how to do the exercises. My plan is to switch over to freeweights in September or October.
 

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just do low weights with free weights until you get comfortable with them

and dont forget the big 3: deadlift, squat, benchpress
 

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ok then leave squats out for the first but start with the real exercises like dips chinups bentoverrows shoulder press deadlifts
 

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Thanks for the suggestions. I'll look into them when I change up my routine in late September/early October.

An average day of food

I'll be listing everything individually so it's easier to get an idea of portions.
Drinks
  • 104.5 oz water
  • 24 oz lemonade (made w/ Splenda)
  • 1 Nouriche Light (Strawberry)
Breakfast
  • 2 packets of Quaker Oats low sugar oatmeal (I'll be switching back to Splenda and cinnamon...this stuff sucks)
  • 3 oz milk on oatmeal
  • 1 large gala apple
Between class snack
  • Nature Valley Oats & Honey granola bar
Lunch
  • 1 slice Pepperidge Farm 100% Whole Wheat bread (soft)
  • 2 oz turkey breast
  • 2 leafs romaine lettuce
  • Some honey mustard (no idea how much)
  • 3/4 cup lowfat cottage cheese
  • 2 cups watermelon
Dinner
  • 3 oz frozen chicken breast
  • 2 cups stirfry vegetables
  • 1 tbsp light olive oil
  • Homemade teriyaki sauce using low sodium Soy (and other stuff, obviously)
  • 1 1/2 cups brown rice made with equal parts water and low sodium chicken broth
  • 1 Kroger Premium Select fruit bar made w/ Splenda
Snacks during the All-star game
  • 1/2 bag Orville Redenbocker 94% fat-free kettle corn
  • 2 cups large green grapes
Snack before bed
  • 2 cups watermelon
I don't really pay too much attention to calories, so I couldn't tell you what the number is. My guess would be somewhere around 2000. This is probably the only time where I'll go through what I eat in an average day; from now on I'll just put up some recipes once in a while.
 

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I forgot to list supplements in the above post.

Supplements (Daily)
5g Creatine monohydrate
315mg Green tea extract
GNC mega men multivitamin

Also I just got my scale (link) and it shows I'm at 21.2% bodyfat at the moment. Seems accurate enough to me.

My tentative goal is 10%.
 

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"Now I'm gonna start this American Beauty style and let you know that by the end of my first cutting cycle, I went from 210 lbs to 180 lbs. My pant size went from 38 to 34. I was feeling pretty good and getting lots of compliments. There was a problem, though; I accomplished all of this through 100% cardio. Not only had I probably lost a good amount of muscle (from the little upper body muscle I ever had to begin with), but I'd also lost the chance to more quickly lose weight. In that 12 week timeframe, I'd lost 30 pounds...but for all I know, I could've lost 60 and been at my goal a long time ago."



Can you describe where you went wrong here?
 

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Pretty much the last couple of sentences. Yes I had lost weight, and yes it was real weight that was both visible and measurable, but I also lost muscle in the process by not doing any kind of resistance training (cardio eats away at muscle).

If I had lifted some I would've kept the muscle I had and probably added more. The more muscle you have, the higher your metabolism, so while I did benefit, I also kind of screwed myself from two angles at the same time. I could've probably trimmed down even more while I was in the cycle, and then continued afterwards due to that muscle build-up.

WebMD article

More specifically...

When anyone loses weight, up to 25% of the weight lost could be muscle. In other words, if you lose 100 pounds, 25 pounds could be muscle. This can make more weight loss difficult, because of the role of muscle in burning calories. Although weight lifting and other resistance exercise do not necessarily burn lots of calories, it's very important for long-term weight maintenance, because muscle is so metabolically active in your body.
More clear?
 

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Switch over to free weights asap. You'll be fine, start with the weights that you can use and work your way up. You cannot substitute a leg press for squats, or an eagle machine for an actual barbell / dumbbell bench press.

Don't run so much if you want to maintain muscle. 3 days a week of HIIT + 5 days of weights is enough to burn fat and maintain muscle mass.

Also, don't ignore your legs, and your shoulders. Leg press is not a true indicator of leg strength. The only indicator of your leg strength is your squat. That exercise cannot be substituted in my opinion. Neither can deadlifts.

a good split is
mon: chest in the morning, HIIT in the evening
tue: back
wed: shoulders in the morning, HIIT in the eve
thur: legs
fri: arms in the morning, HIIT in the eve.
sat: rest
sun: rest

The more muscle you have, the better your metabolism is. Your legs are a big muscle, and your shoulders/traps aren't to be ignored either. The more muscle you develop in these areas, the better your cutting program will be.

Don't train abs everyday. Just like every muscle group, if you train them everyday, they'll never be as good as they'd be if you let them rest. The good news is, abs recover pretty fast. 3 days a week is enough (can do it on mon/wed/fri). If you want skinny kid abs, then train them everyday and run a lot. If you want thick and full abs, give them recovery time.
 

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Thanks for the suggestions MindOverMatter. I'll integrate some of them now, and some of them later on. You'll probably see why I'm not paying attention too much to legs right now when I post my next numbers. I'm pretty weak upper-body, and I think that I can get upper to the level my lower is at by the end of September or so, and that's when there'll be a shift from cardio-based to strength-based training that includes a day for lower body. I'll have to look next time I go...I didn't realize I was missing shoulders. I'll add something in next week if I am. Is that something you do with back or chest?

On my back/bicep day this week, I once again had problems doing my normal HIIT routine after lifting. This prompted me to find out why, and upon finding out, prompted me to slap my forehead. If anyone wants the explanation of why you shouldn't do cardio after lifting, I can put the info in this thread.

So that and mind's suggestions lead me to change up my routine a bit starting today. Here's the new one:

Sunday: Abs (Leg raises, oblique twists), Chest/Triceps (Iso-Lateral Decline Press, Eagle Chest Press, Iso-Lateral Triceps Extension, Arm Extension)
Monday: HIIT Running (20 minutes with 5 min warmup and 5 min cooldown)
Tuesday: Abs, HIIT Running
Wednesday: HIIT Running
Thursday: HIIT Running
Friday: Abs, Back/Biceps (Iso-Lateral Front Pulldown, Eagle Row, Iso-Lateral Row, Iso-Lateral Biceps Curl, Eagle Arm Curl)
Saturday: HIIT Running
 

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gotta throw the legs in htere man.

Don't necessarily need to bust balls to the wall on them if you understand they won't grow, but at least throw weight on them for "maintenance." More than maintenance, however, is the fact that you'll be seeing more weight on the bar with legs than with your other weights, if you are as you say. This will make it much more psychologically easy to put more weight on for your other stuff, because you've felt that weight on your body before...

... i.e. if you've done a 350 lb deadlift, then pushin 250 on bench doesn't seem so bad huh?
 

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Ending numbers for July 11, 2005 - July 17, 2005
Just a note for the first time. These are the weights per side. Some machines, like the chest press are both at the same time, so the total weight is 90, 100, 110. It's just easier for me to track it the other way.

Back/bicep
IL row
35, 40, 45 (up next week)

Bicep curl
30, 35, 35

Front pulldown
35, 45, 55

Eagle arm curl
35, 40, 40

Eagle row
45, 55, 65 (up)

Chest/tricep
Eagle chest press
45, 50, 55 (up)

Tricep ext.
15, 20, 20

Decline press
20, 25, 30

Arm ext.
35, 40, 45

Current weight: 179.6 lbs
Current bodyfat % (avg for the week): 20.8%
 

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Ending numbers for July 18, 2005 - July 25, 2005

Back/bicep
IL row
40, 50, 60

Bicep curl
30, 35, 35

Front pulldown
35, 45, 55

Eagle arm curl
35, 40, 40

Eagle row
50, 60, 70 (up next week)

Chest/tricep
Eagle chest press
50, 60, 70 (up by 5 nw)

Tricep ext.
15, 20, 25

Decline press
20, 25, 30

Arm ext.
35, 40, 45

Shoulder Press
30, 40, 50

Current weight: 177.5 lbs
Current bodyfat % (avg for the week): 20.9%

The bodyfat not budging this week (especially considering I took off a couple pounds) worries me a bit. I'm going to see what happens after this week, and if it's still doing the same thing, a change in the routine is in order. In that case, I'll look back and take some more suggestions into account and possibly any new ones. I am seeing a little more definition in my arms, so it could be I'm worrying about nothing.

I'd hate to give up any running days, but I might have to. Either that or eat some more than ~2000 a day. :woo:
 

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I've noticed you've got consecutive HIIT days.. five days a week as well.

I think it's imperative that you have one day of complete rest every week, let your system recovery and all that. Do some lighter cardio that day if you must.

Your weights routine sucks. No shoulders or legs? Don't tell me you want to be a 'pretty boy' chest+biceps guy .. because let me tell you, training your legs hard will make your chest and arms grow like weeds.
 

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I added in a shoulder exercise on my chest/tri day (maybe add in more?). As far as legs, my upper body is so much weaker than my lower body that I'm trying to get it into proportion before starting a lower body routine. Other than that, I'm not sure what sucks so much about the routine.

Depending on what kind of change I see after this week, a whole lot of stuff might change, including possibly doing maintenance on lower body.
 

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Schlep, you're not thinking properly. EVERYONE's legs are (or should be) bigger and stronger than their upper body.

If you've got very good legs, then you've got a huge advantage when it comes to bodybuilding. Make use of it!

And yes, the routine sucks. I'm sorry, I can't take any routine which doesn't include any sort of leg training (squats etc) or deadlifts seriously.
 

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Alright Metal and Warboss, here's what I'm thinking of doing.

Mon: HIIT
Tue: Back/biceps/abs
Wed: HIIT
Thu: HIIT
Fri: Legs/lower/abs
Sat: Off
Sun: Chest/tri/shoulders/abs

Also adding a couple protein shakes a day to the diet.

I'm hovering around 20% bf right now, do you think this would help or hurt in my goal of getting down to 10-15% by October?
 
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