Scandinavian socialism debunked

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http://www.libsdebunked.com/socialism/scandinavian-socialism-argument/ A study by Swedish group Timbro compared the GDP of various European Union nations to those of individual states in the United States. As stated by the study:
Strong economy?
“If the EU were a part of the United States of America, would it belong to the richest or the poorest group of states?”

Denmark:

If Denmark were one of the US states, it would rank tenth among the poorest states for per capita GDP.

Finland:

Finland would come in fifth among the poorest if it were a US state.

Sweden:

Sweden would be the seventh-poorest as a state of the US.

Happier than the U.S?


Suicide rankings compared:

Finland: 5th in the world
Denmark: 11th in the world
Sweden: 12th in the world
Norway: 13th in the world
Iceland: 15th in the world
United States: 18th in the world
 

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Sweden should be bombed even before than a isis traning camp.

The pathologic crap they spread in Europe is even more sick than ebola, wheter it comes of deviant forms of economical socialism or how they hijacked nature in order to created some form of "big sister" which screens all the citizens and is ready to re-program them according to a perverted agenda.

You have born swedes subject to the most accurate inspection to make sure not a single cents is hidden to the gov which can get as much as he wants to distribute it according to politically correct programs.

Wheter are feminist agencies gathering money to push economical pressure on politicians in order to enslaves men even more or radical muslim groups which openly spit on the national law and population and make no mistery that once they become majority the nation will turn muslim by law, all of this while they get their countless kids fed and dressed by welfare money.

Needless to say anytime some swedish feminist cvnt gets the microphone at the euro parliament sessions I beg those muslim to reproduce even faster.

Some of their mental derails are about having guys dressing as girls in schools for a week just to make sure they emphatize with women.
 

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Who Dares Win said:
Sweden should be bombed even before than a isis traning camp.

The pathologic crap they spread in Europe is even more sick than ebola, wheter it comes of deviant forms of economical socialism or how they hijacked nature in order to created some form of "big sister" which screens all the citizens and is ready to re-program them according to a perverted agenda.

You have born swedes subject to the most accurate inspection to make sure not a single cents is hidden to the gov which can get as much as he wants to distribute it according to politically correct programs.

Wheter are feminist agencies gathering money to push economical pressure on politicians in order to enslaves men even more or radical muslim groups which openly spit on the national law and population and make no mistery that once they become majority the nation will turn muslim by law, all of this while they get their countless kids fed and dressed by welfare money.

Needless to say anytime some swedish feminist cvnt gets the microphone at the euro parliament sessions I beg those muslim to reproduce even faster.

Some of their mental derails are about having guys dressing as girls in schools for a week just to make sure they emphatize with women.
Things will come full circle for them. I mean women are more unhappy then ever since feminism. Very true post. Just sick what the nordic men are being put through. How can they go from the vikings to gender neutral preschools.
 

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the question really SHOULD be:"why are the men letting it happen", hmm?
 

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My theory is what you're seeing in Sweden is the byproduct of the dregs that were left behind when vikings took off for and eventually settled in foreign lands. In other words what was their equivalent of our fat purple haired social justice warriors and pozzed out cuckolds were all that was left behind.
 

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Sweden Goes Insane

My theory is what you're seeing in Sweden is the byproduct of the dregs that were left behind when vikings took off for and eventually settled in foreign lands. In other words what was their equivalent of our fat purple haired social justice warriors and pozzed out cuckolds were all that was left behind.
Good. At least Islam had one good purpose: Punishing sweden for attempting to create a matriarchy and attacking masculinity. :trouble: Good muslims... good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlG75wb7lLw sweden today
 

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LOL. I've been following this thread and laughing at it ever since its creation.
 

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noobolgy said:
are you from sweden?
Yeah I am. You guys are making mountains out of molehills because the media you view does and that's where you get your info, not giving the full picture of the statistics you're linking (just a quick google search showed me the correlation between suicide statistics and other, positive statistics the other day after I read this thread) and don't know the value system that Sweden was in the process of being built on (don't worry though, it's being forgotten and f*cked as we speak).

I'm not saying your points don't have grains of truth in them, but the way this thread presents them can't be taken seriously. Even I know that and I don't even care about Swedish politics or news (it's too dumbed down).
 

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AttackFormation said:
Yeah I am. You guys are making mountains out of molehills because the media you view does and that's where you get your info, not giving the full picture of the statistics you're linking (just a quick google search showed me the correlation between suicide statistics and other, positive statistics the other day after I read this thread) and don't know the value system that Sweden was in the process of being built on (don't worry though, it's being forgotten and f*cked as we speak).

I'm not saying your points don't have grains of truth in them, but the way this thread presents them can't be taken seriously. Even I know that and I don't even care about Swedish politics or news (it's too dumbed down).
Actually its good to have someone from there, what is your opinion about the facts happened in Stockholm in 2013?

For those who dont know FACT
 

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AttackFormation said:
Yeah I am. You guys are making mountains out of molehills because the media you view does and that's where you get your info, not giving the full picture of the statistics you're linking (just a quick google search showed me the correlation between suicide statistics and other, positive statistics the other day after I read this thread) and don't know the value system that Sweden was in the process of being built on (don't worry though, it's being forgotten and f*cked as we speak).

I'm not saying your points don't have grains of truth in them, but the way this thread presents them can't be taken seriously. Even I know that and I don't even care about Swedish politics or news (it's too dumbed down).
You live in the most feminized country in the world. They obviously hate masculinity. How does that make you feel? Do you respect women? I bet if you lived and worked in the U.S. for a year, you wouldnt want to go back to sweden.
 

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Who Dares Win said:
Actually its good to have someone from there, what is your opinion about the facts happened in Stockholm in 2013?

For those who dont know FACT
I'll tell you my opinion of it as a swede.

The easy and dumb way out would be to fight the riots with more violence and although I wouldn't blame a serviceman getting stoned for fighting back, it's not the solution you want to take because it gives these people something to use as an excuse.

No one thinks these guys are blameless, I personally think they are all either stupid or arsonists/psychopaths/other scum, BUT the point of those riots is why did they happen and how can we prevent them from happening again. The point is not "immigrants did it", it's "how did our society get so bad that this could happen", as it was after Nazism was defeated. But groups like Sverigedemokraterna would attack such reasoning for what I can summarise as not viewing people as individuals but as groups (that they create). Even if all the bad things that are put as reasons for why this could happen are true, that still means the vast majority of people who suffer from it don't do anything like this and the ones who do tend to be recurring criminals rather than it being some sort of mainstream movement.

You know what's also happened in Sweden though? we're learning from big boy USA now. The last time we had such economic/social discrepancies as we do today was in 1947, and you know what social inequality (any of it) is connected to? oh yeah, everything. It's no wonder that more bad things are happening.

If you can get an illustration of it like this through your skull (because I suspect most people here who read this have been raised in a way to consider this to be evil marxist manipulation), you'll understand that yes, the persons behind it do have a personal responsibility for their actions as all humans do (I believe that this must be so even if we show that no degree of "free will" exists, because of experiments that show how people act worse if they're told how they act isn't their fault), but that the approach to this has to be systemic. Humans are made up of different drives and the strongest ones determine your actions - in other words, these riots just like any other behaviour aren't appearing out of thin air.

noobolgy said:
You live in the most feminized country in the world. They obviously hate masculinity. How does that make you feel? Do you respect women? I bet if you lived and worked in the U.S. for a year, you wouldnt want to go back to sweden.
I don't think patriotism is something positive beyond things like cheering for a football team, so how does it make me feel? nothing in particular because I don't identify with it. Do I respect women? I expect a dog to be a dog. I actually plan to visit USA some day soon and I'll save my would-be criticisms (like what seems to be standard hourly wages of 10$ or even less which even some people on this forum seem to rejoice at getting the opportunity to work for but would pretty much be seen as criminal exploitation here, maybe there's something I'm not aware of) of the place until after I do.
 

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I'll tell you my opinion of it as a swede.

The easy and dumb way out would be to fight the riots with more violence and although I wouldn't blame a serviceman getting stoned for fighting back, it's not the solution you want to take because it gives these people something to use as an excuse.

No one thinks these guys are blameless, I personally think they are all either stupid or arsonists/psychopaths/other scum, BUT the point of those riots is why did they happen and how can we prevent them from happening again. The point is not "immigrants did it", it's "how did our society get so bad that this could happen", as it was after Nazism was defeated. But groups like Sverigedemokraterna would attack such reasoning for what I can summarise as not viewing people as individuals but as groups (that they create). Even if all the bad things that are put as reasons for why this could happen are true, that still means the vast majority of people who suffer from it don't do anything like this and the ones who do tend to be recurring criminals rather than it being some sort of mainstream movement.

You know what's also happened in Sweden though? we're learning from big boy USA now. The last time we had such economic/social discrepancies as we do today was in 1947, and you know what social inequality (any of it) is connected to? oh yeah, everything. It's no wonder that more bad things are happening.

If you can get an illustration of it like this through your skull (because I suspect most people here who read this have been raised in a way to consider this to be evil marxist manipulation), you'll understand that yes, the persons behind it do have a personal responsibility for their actions as all humans do (I believe that this must be so even if we show that no degree of "free will" exists, because of experiments that show how people act worse if they're told how they act isn't their fault), but that the approach to this has to be systemic. Humans are made up of different drives and the strongest ones determine your actions - in other words, these riots just like any other behaviour aren't appearing out of thin air.
I understrand your point you, and according to you, which benefit do you think your country had by opening their borders to people coming from such opposite cultural backround of yours? I mean those somali and middle eastern involved in those facts?

Do you think your country would have lose any value by not allowing that kind or immigration, wheter is human or economical?
 

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Who Dares Win said:
I understrand your point you, and according to you, which benefit do you think your country had by opening their borders to people coming from such opposite cultural backround of yours? I mean those somali and middle eastern involved in those facts?

Do you think your country would have lose any value by not allowing that kind or immigration, wheter is human or economical?
I see, you are thinking of this first in economic rather than humanitarian terms. That is the way that what in Sweden would be called radical parties are thinking too. The point isn't what we get from allowing immigration, the point is to be humanitarian, to give. It's something you're either open to or not because you don't want to share (basically). To put it another way, when a friend asks you to help him do you do so to the point that you can afford it or do you ask yourself "what can he pay me back with?". Funnily enough this forum is a great place to make this point on, because you guys should understand the difference in how you appreciate a woman's kindness and think ill of her transactional attitudes. Even the question "what value does it bring to your country?" is socially stratifying and not humanitarian, ie. like the conservative political ideologies that socialism tried to defeat a century ago. Giving is the basis of the cooperation that is part of what makes us human, not taking.

Just because you're for immigration doesn't mean you want to ruin the society you live in. My viewpoint is in short that we should allow immigration to the point that we can handle it, that notorious crime during your process of becoming a Swedish citizen should make the process considerably more difficult or impossible for you and that those who become Swedish citizens should be punished like any other citizens rather than face different treatment.

Overall though these topics don't really interest me, because they come down to the same structural flaws in our society that I'm already thinking about through stuff like The Venus Project/Culture in Decline/etc. (which is also the reason why I don't care about mainstream news or politics).
 

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Until a few years ago everything I heard about the Scandanavian nations was positive, on how modern and progressive they were. But in recent years, I am beginning to hear murmurs that these places are a f*** up.
 

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AttackFormation said:
You know what's also happened in Sweden though? we're learning from big boy USA now.
It's a race to see which countries self hating white population can turn their country into a bigger socially/culturally atomized multikult 3rd world toilet.

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because I suspect most people here who read this have been raised in a way to consider this to be evil marxist manipulation
Albeit half mockingly at least on some level you're aware of who's behind this. Wait until you figure out the why. :eek:

Everything else you posted basically translates to "WE HAVE TO COZ FEEEELZ". And quite frankly my patience for debating with altruistically cursed freshly indoctrinated 21 year old's is lacking these days. But good luck with it. Let us know how it all turns out.
 

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I see, you are thinking of this first in economic rather than humanitarian terms.
Im not an economist but for what I recall you pay your hospitals and schools with money, so if you have no money you forget any welfare or civilization.

That is the way that what in Sweden would be called radical parties are thinking too.
Of course a socialist country from (how many years?) see anything not socialist as radical

The point isn't what we get from allowing immigration, the point is to be humanitarian, to give.
Im not Jesus Christ honestly, I believe that the fruit of my work should be mine and then given according to my possibility.

It's something you're either open to or not because you don't want to share (basically).
Shaming 101?
To put it another way, when a friend asks you to help him do you do so to the point that you can afford it or do you ask yourself "what can he pay me back with?".
Emotional play which I can demolish by saying that a friend is someone to which we watch each other back and are connected from a past of mutual help, respect and love...which as you can guess its not the case of those immigrants burning your cars,raping your women and fvcking your welfare
Funnily enough this forum is a great place to make this point on, because you guys should understand the difference in how you appreciate a woman's kindness and think ill of her transactional attitudes.
Should I answer you in pink color here?

Even the question "what value does it bring to your country?" is socially stratifying and not humanitarian, ie. like the conservative political ideologies that socialism tried to defeat a century ago. Giving is the basis of the cooperation that is part of what makes us human, not taking.
So they are fvcking your welfare, spitting on your culture and giving nothing in return and yet you believe its my problem for suggesting you to review your politics, you talk like a neutered man sorry.

Just because you're for immigration doesn't mean you want to ruin the society you live in.
Of course not, it could also be that you want to take profit out of it or potential voters.

My viewpoint is in short that we should allow immigration to the point that we can handle it,
We already passed that point in Europe, btw is that true that rumor that your native sweden will be a minority in their own country by the end of the century, actually I dont know the demographic of your country.

that notorious crime during your process of becoming a Swedish citizen should make the process considerably more difficult or impossible for you and that those who become Swedish citizens should be punished like any other citizens rather than face different treatment.
not sure if I got what you mean
Overall though these topics don't really interest me, because they come down to the same structural flaws in our society that I'm already thinking about through stuff like The Venus Project/Culture in Decline/etc.
Glad you dont give a fvck about such topics, maybe the new club opening in town does?
(which is also the reason why I don't care about mainstream news or politics).
Well its your choice I dont think anybody can tell you what to do, just one last question, are you able to walk safely alone in those immigrants neightbourhood in late evening, are they able to do it in yours?
 

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Isn't this old news? Finland's never been a rich country. Probably never will be. I find no pleasure or shame in that. Doesn't truly concern me.

What I don't get, however, is the weird hate for scandi socialism. I have failed to see the negatives of it personally, although that might change with out public debt reaching dangerously high nowadays. But in my personal life, I've not seen the negatives of this. Free quality education from preschool until the end of high school, and business uni costs me around 130€ per year. I'm employed full time in a large multinational of my own field during the summers (no, it's not McD's), and part-time during the academic year. "Immigrants" as a group don't represent the horrible turban-headed/black menace people seem to be horrified of, but then again I think our biggest groups are Russians and Estonians. I could be wrong here. However, we lack the retarded feminist parties Sweden has. Hell, we even got dragged to the Eu human rights court (again) for not helping immigrants enough, but I think we're not on Amnesty's blacklist anymore. The neighborhoods are safe, the most dangerous group of people are middle-aged, drunk men, as far as I can se. Or the gypsies. Healthcare has been either free or neglible in cost to me. Prices are high though, in pretty much everything, due to high taxation. For me, the tax thing has been a net win thus far. Maybe it'll change and I'll move abroad, who knows.

So, I don't really get your angle in this. Explain or ask a question? I'm curious about your view on this.
 
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