saw a pic of girl i'm hooking up getting close with a friend of mine at the club

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hey guys,

i've been hanging out/ hooking up with a girl in my class since school started about a month ago. until now, she seemed pretty cool and i would like to move down that relationship path.

last night, she went to a club with some of her friends and my mutual friends. ( i didn't go because i was studying). anyway, i didn't think much of it, because the last few times she went clubbing, she always ended up calling me up after and coming over to spend the night.

this time, she didn't. and instead i saw a friend post a pic of her in another guy's arms kissing him pretty hard on the cheek. now i know the guy she was kissing, and he is a mad player with lots of game. he's a natural, and i've seen him get girls on a nightly basis.

how should i play this?
 

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Well. I think some things have been established. You clearly like this girl more than she likes you. Which is a very very bad thing. This is displayed by the fact that it's bugging you that she's kissing home-boy. Also didnt' follow her regular pattern of calling to go sleep at your house after(presumabley to fvck?).

The problems. It's you, not her. I agree it's hard to stay detatched, especially after hanging out / fvcking so many times(not sure how many in your case). But you have to realize it's your frame of mind. It's how you see and value this chick. Like you said you want to get in a relationship with her. She probably sees it as, this guy is fun to hang out with but I have fun hanging out w/ other dudes too.(SPIN SOME DAMN PLATES, BRO!)

What we also know is anything besides staying cool and not caring will SURELY fvck you over. You will be displaying AFC, possesive / needy / controlling mentality for a girl you aren't even going out with.

I hope you see the problem. It's not her. It's how you view her. You shouldn't care this much for a girl thats like a club wh0re. Who knows what happened. What I do know is you gotta detach and not spaz out or it's sure to end in disaster.
 

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Yep, this! "What I do know is you gotta detach and not spaz out or it's sure to end in disaster."

This is invaluable advice. Most dudes would freak and it would crumble. You're part of the seduction community now. You know what you need to do. If not, Read more! You can win this.
 

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the moment you realized you wanted to take her down the relationship path. regardless if she knew or not. sorry brah give her up lol
 

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How should you play this?

Judge nismo is ruling in favor of the girl. You are guilty of oneitis development. This girl isn't into you that much now that she's been taken. You need to spin more plates after you pay the fine of 2 blue balls. This is another reason to work on your first million. You can make better offers and it makes it hard for girls to leave you. Average is boring.

Case closed.
 

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i get the detachment thing. but do i just act like nothing's different and continue hanging out and keep hooking up? or are you guys saying no contact, and just move on to other girls?

***to be a little more specific. the girl has cooked me dinner, surprised me a few times by bringing me lunch and all that (thanks sosuave). the whole time i was playing it nonchalant, not spending too much time with her, not being needy, etc. i definitely had her chasing me. last few times at the club, she even called me to say she doesn't want to talk to any of the guys there and wanted to come over to my place.

the last time she stayed over with me was saturday night. this thing happened yesterday, which kinda caught me off guard, since it was so sudden. not the typical distancing, not returning phone calls/ texts.

my buddy, (who is pretty good with girls himself) says I should make a a more serious move, like returning the favor by cooking her dinner. That's where I'm stuck***
 

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ne0phyte said:
i get the detachment thing. but do i just act like nothing's different and continue hanging out and keep hooking up? or are you guys saying no contact, and just move on to other girls?

***to be a little more specific. the girl has cooked me dinner, surprised me a few times by bringing me lunch and all that (thanks sosuave). the whole time i was playing it nonchalant, not spending too much time with her, not being needy, etc. i definitely had her chasing me. last few times at the club, she even called me to say she doesn't want to talk to any of the guys there and wanted to come over to my place.

the last time she stayed over with me was saturday night. this thing happened yesterday, which kinda caught me off guard, since it was so sudden. not the typical distancing, not returning phone calls/ texts.

my buddy, (who is pretty good with girls himself) says I should make a a more serious move, like returning the favor by cooking her dinner. That's where I'm stuck***
Because nothing is different. This sh1ts probably been going on the entire time and you just didn't realize it.

But dude. You're still looking at it wrong. You have OBVIOUSLY developed way deeper feelings for this chick then she has for you. That's not good. The girl should be the one pushing for a relationship.

The reason she's being like that is because she's withdrawing. Most likely because of another guy. But that's just speculating.

But more importantly because it was a CASUAL relationship for "about a month" , which probably means less. Come on, bro. That's not THAT long.

Seems already lost as you're stuck in oneitis mode and she has appeared to start to lose interest already. What your buddy recommended is typical AFC defense.(We were all guilty of this at one point) "Oh no! I think she doesn't like me anymore! What do I do!?!? Buy her a bunch of flowers, cook for her etc."

Cooking I could see being a little different since you aren't trying to buy it in a monetary sense but you are still trying to buy her affection none-the-less.

I'm not sure if you just read the first sentence from people or what but you were told what needs to be done. That's not to ever mention what you saw or act like it bugged you in the slightest.(Because it should'nt of, if she was your girlfriend that would be way different. But she's not) YOUR THE OnE who got attached, not her.

But your only hope is to not freak out and/or go AFC. There might not be a lot of hope left. But that's your only chance.
 

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hey, i get it, guys. I know it was casual from the get go. the only thing that makes me want to make her dinner is because she's already done so much for me. for the last month, it was basically she would cook me food, and we would eat it, get drunk and hook up. I've done nothing but essentially crack jokes and be alpha. I'm not trying to win her over, just trying to show a little appreciation. that's all. (BUT, if you guys think even that much, is too much, then i won't do it).

and back to that other guy, i never mentioned the other guy at all. I asked one of my trusted bros (who was at the club too) if anything happened, and he said no. Today, when i saw her, i just asked her if she had fun. she said it was, and I laughed and said, "glad you had a good time, and i appreciate that you didn't drunk call me last night. i needed the sleep" (in a ****y+funny way). then i left.

it's not like i got defensive, or jealous, confronted her about that guy or anything. all i'm asking here is do should i still try hook up with her (ie, get whatever i can out of this before it ends), or beat her to the punch, and call it quits.
 

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ne0phyte said:
hey, i get it, guys. I know it was casual from the get go. the only thing that makes me want to make her dinner is because she's already done so much for me. for the last month, it was basically she would cook me food, and we would eat it, get drunk and hook up. I've done nothing but essentially crack jokes and be alpha. I'm not trying to win her over, just trying to show a little appreciation. that's all. (BUT, if you guys think even that much, is too much, then i won't do it).

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This is sosuave, you aren't fooling anyone. Even if you don't fully understand your motives they are clear as day to everyone.

You are not "being alpha" if you are considering cooking dinner for a chick you saw all in your friends grill the night before. That's pretty unalpha actually


Best thing you could do at this point is cut off all contact for a few weeks. Even if she calls don't answer. Tell her you have been busy, make some **** up but disappear. Because right now even if you wanted to "get something" I don't' thin you could honestly, I don't think the interest is there at this point. I think you have played your hand and she saw it for what it was, and called your bluff. Make her think she was wrong by disappearing, make her think, hell make her know you have other female interests.

cooking dinner is something you do for a woman that is showing out. that's a big boy reward in my book if you aren't dating.


f anything happened, and he said no. Today, when i saw her, i just asked her if she had fun. she said it was, and I laughed and said, "glad you had a good time, and i appreciate that you didn't drunk call me last night. i needed the sleep" (in a ****y+funny way).

http://whyte-knight.net/mood/Angel-SmileTime/disappointed.gif (damn i wish this site would let you hot link pictures)

that's not ****y and funny bro. she was all up on your best friend you don't thinks he knows that you already know this? you bringing it up in a passive aggressive manner just reeks of insecurity. what you should have done is not bring it up at all. you have better more important **** to worry about than who she lets in her vag.




I'm not trying to bust your balls or anything, just tough love. we've all been there. in 200.. **** if forgot, i was 21 so i think it was 2004.. there was this chick, who eventually i would end up dating.. .i fact she once hacked this account and posted as me lol.. anyway i was kinda feeling her. we had met a month earlier. i had a few interests, she had a few interests, but went on date, we had sex a few times, and we both made it known we were kinda feeling each other.

so one Saturday i decide to bounce to this club, out of the blue, was just bored, wanted to have fun, put on my clothes and went at 1:30am, and i see non other than this chick that i was kinda feeling with her tounge half way down some dudes throat. I"d be lying if i said it didn't kinda get to me. i was kinda feeling her. She saw me, i smiled at her, kept going and i made it my mission to have the best damdest time i could. About 2 hours later, she comes looking for me, obviously flustered that i am not chasing her around, I'm dancing with another chick, i've gotten a phone number (with a girl i would actually end up going on a few dates with) i as making the best of a pretty bad situation. she comes with me and i tell her i will talk to her late because i'm dancing with someone else. i didn't intrupt her so i ask that she does the same for me, not like we are dating or anything, let a nigga breathe got damn. completely flipped the script on her.

so, the club closesat 4:30, and she is literarly waiting at my car for me. Basically makes me take her home and the whole time is explaining to me how that was an old firend she used to talk to. And i look and say why do yoyu assume i give a damn? I don't care. We aren't dating. you can fvck every guy in there for all i care, just like i can fvck every woman in there.

BUT

and this is the catch, i told her that's why we aren't dating. (even though i was going on just as many dates as she was), "until you show me that you are serious about me, i'm not going to take you seriously". She said what does that mean and i said well hell, i man i just saw you lip fvcking a guy in the club you can't expect me to date you. doesn't mean i don't like you and doesn't mean i don't like hanging out with you, but i'm going to hang out with other girls too.

Never had the problem out of her again. she spent the next.. 4 and a half months showing me that she was serious. Even better, i got caught, basically 3 times with other women (We weren't dating but by now, i knew for sure she had cut the BS out), and each time i used that same excuse, i wore it out. She tired harder and harder and eventually she convinced me she was GF material.
 

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ne0phyte said:
hey, i get it, guys. I know it was casual from the get go. the only thing that makes me want to make her dinner is because she's already done so much for me. for the last month, it was basically she would cook me food, and we would eat it, get drunk and hook up. I've done nothing but essentially crack jokes and be alpha. I'm not trying to win her over, just trying to show a little appreciation. that's all. (BUT, if you guys think even that much, is too much, then i won't do it).

and back to that other guy, i never mentioned the other guy at all. I asked one of my trusted bros (who was at the club too) if anything happened, and he said no. Today, when i saw her, i just asked her if she had fun. she said it was, and I laughed and said, "glad you had a good time, and i appreciate that you didn't drunk call me last night. i needed the sleep" (in a ****y+funny way). then i left.

it's not like i got defensive, or jealous, confronted her about that guy or anything. all i'm asking here is do should i still try hook up with her (ie, get whatever i can out of this before it ends), or beat her to the punch, and call it quits.
It's great you're trying but, I think if you truly "got it" this wouldn't be in issue. I know when you develop feelings something like this would hurt / bug you. Based on how you asked for advice from your buddy I don't think you were doing it to just be appreciative. Let's be honest. You don't ask your friend(who's good with girls, why is this relevant?) how to show you appreciate someone. You know how to do that.

Calling it quits for what? Because you're scared she's going to call it complete quits with you? Don't do that. That's the cowards way out, man. I think there's already some considerable damage done.(To your frame of mind with her, that is going to reflect in your interactions, unfortunately) But no one is a fortune teller. You don't know for sure she's about to call it quits.

[Edit]: After reading backbreakers excellent advice I'm going to have to concur. See, this sh1t wouldn't be a problem if you had actual sh1t going on besides trying to pursue a relationship with her. But he's right the damage(her interest level) is already done. You need to re-establish.
 

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thanks for the breakdown. i guess what i'm thinking in my head isn't coming out right in my actions. I didn't think what I was doing was supplication, (in my mind, i was returning a favor by cooking for her, and my comment about her not calling, i thought it was showing her i don't care if she comes over or not).

but i understand how your analysis of my actions make sense. I'm gonna go no contact for a while. then let it end if nothing changes. see, that's why i like this site. it hurts when this stuff happens, but at least i learn and get better.

oh and btw, she was kissing the guy on the cheek and he's not my best friend. my best friend was there and saw the girl and the guy talking but nothing crazy. if she was making out, there would be no discussion, i aint that dumb haha

*big picture question*, i just realized from what you guys have said, and from the dj bible, am I never supposed to chase the girl? i thought it was a mix of her chasing you and you reciprocating. but it seems like it boils down to "spin plates until one girl asks to tie you down"
 

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ne0phyte said:
thanks for the breakdown. i guess what i'm thinking in my head isn't coming out right in my actions. I didn't think what I was doing was supplication, (in my mind, i was returning a favor by cooking for her, and my comment about her not calling, i thought it was showing her i don't care if she comes over or not).

but i understand how your analysis of my actions make sense. I'm gonna go no contact for a while. then let it end if nothing changes. see, that's why i like this site. it hurts when this stuff happens, but at least i learn and get better.

oh and btw, she was kissing the guy on the cheek and he's not my best friend. my best friend was there and saw the girl and the guy talking but nothing crazy. if she was making out, there would be no discussion, i aint that dumb haha

*big picture question*, i just realized from what you guys have said, and from the dj bible, am I never supposed to chase the girl? i thought it was a mix of her chasing you and you reciprocating. but it seems like it boils down to "spin plates until one girl asks to tie you down"

it's a good and honest question, seriously. I see your confusion.

Basically, even if you don't have plates like in that situation, the best thing you can do, and this is the correct answer 9 out of 10 times is "what would i do in this situation if i had 5 other girls i could go on dates with at this very moment" what you decide, is usually going to be the correct thing to do.

The big picture is not about chasing, it's about value. How valuable can you be if you are worried about who she is smooching with.

You come on, but you come on in a softer way. See what you are doing, is you are using techniques and things that you read here, but you are still trying to do the same old **** you used to do. You are using C+F while going "cooking dinner" for her, while not spinning plates, you are basically courting.

Right now the relationship is what it is. she's cute girl that you hang out with and every once in a while have sex with each other. No more than that, no less than that. When you look at it like that, what did she really do wrong? not a damn thing.


Think of a relationship like a video game. You met a girl she is on level one. she has to score so many ExP points before she can advance to the next level? how does she earn these points? She concquers ****. Shis a willing sex partner. She isn't bat**** crazy. Then a few months or whatever passes, she advances to the next stage, the "hey you know what, i kinda like you stage and if you keep doing what you are doing i might even date you stage". she builds up more ExP points she does her thing, uses afew special moves, bam, now youa re exclu7sivly dating.


Not only that, that's really the key for a successful LTR with the correct frame.


In a nutshell, slow down. stop worrying about the end game so much. you run into her be cool as hell. do not give a damn about her sexual encounters, just have as much fun as you can, and move on, do you. she will show you if she is relationship material or not with her actions.
 

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backbreaker said:
it's a good and honest question, seriously. I see your confusion.

Basically, even if you don't have plates like in that situation, the best thing you can do, and this is the correct answer 9 out of 10 times is "what would i do in this situation if i had 5 other girls i could go on dates with at this very moment" what you decide, is usually going to be the correct thing to do.

The big picture is not about chasing, it's about value. How valuable can you be if you are worried about who she is smooching with.

You come on, but you come on in a softer way. See what you are doing, is you are using techniques and things that you read here, but you are still trying to do the same old **** you used to do. You are using C+F while going "cooking dinner" for her, while not spinning plates, you are basically courting.
backbreaker, thanks a lot. i think those things you said really helped clear up my questions. you're right, now that you mention it, what i'm doing is essentially the same old afc routine with some dj techniques sprinkled in. definitely will work on that. and good tip with the "what would i do if i could have 5 other girls to date right now". that would easily remove a lot of the confusion when i'm debating whether to do something. clearly, i still got a lot more to learn haha
 
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