Saw a lady get mugged...

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I didn't see the actual mugging take place. I was sitting in my car at a stop light. Then a boy on the bike with a purse raced across the intersection. I thougt to myself, what's wrong with this picture? I then look to the direction he was coming from and I see two ladies running after him. Then I finally realized she just got mugged. I could have done something, but I didn't. He came close enough to me that I could have close lined him through my window. I drove around a for 10 minutes looking for the boy. Then I continued on my errands.

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Theres times when you cant do anything... what do you think would have happened if you would have closed his path? he could have just gone another way, or he could have slammed on your car, which would probably meant more money in damages than what the bag and whatever was in it was worth.
 

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I agree with undesputable, If it was just a robbery and the ladies didnt get hurt there is no reason to get involved. I could see if he raped them and left, then u could block his path cuz its worth it. What do u think the purse is worth???? she probably had 50 bucks, some lipstick, anal lube and, a few credidt cards. No reason to get involved.


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Originally posted by Smooth Player 056
What do u think the purse is worth???? she probably had 50 bucks, some lipstick, anal lube, and, a few credidt cards. No reason to get involved.


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If you stuck your arm out that window it would be in serious pain right now. Force = Mass * Acceleration ;) . You could have opened the door to slam him but in California you could get sued for doing something like that :rolleyes: . That cost's alot more then what was in the ladies purse.
 

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actually, if u would have closed lined him you could have neded up jail :p You dont have the right to physically stop him, you could also be sued. Use your head, if its not your girl or mom, dont go around playing super hero, savior of ho's in need....
 

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You could cut the cynicism in this thread with a knife. Could someone please find a case where a successful lawsuit has been brought against a person stopping a thief from stealing a woman's purse by use of force?




No? Of course not.
Originally posted by SELF-MASTERY
actually, if u would have closed lined him you could have neded up jail
Really? Funny, I always thought a citizen's arrest was within the bounds of the law. :rolleyes:
Anybody who makes a citizens arrest should not use more force than is necessary, should not delay in turning the suspect over to the proper authorities, and should never mete out any punishment.
http://www.constitution.org/grossack/arrest.htm
 

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To legally do a citizens arrest in my locale you can only make the arrest with the conscent of the perp.... As an unsworned citizen you do not have the right to use force unless the perp is attacking you. Him fleeing doesnt give you the right to close line him. see 16th code of GA and a ADA as a professor.

Also, a citizens arrest can only be performed during the commision of a felony...... same as justifiable homicide
 

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person stopping a thief from stealing a woman's purse by use of force?
He wasn't stopping the crime in progress, if he would have acted it would have been as the criminal was fleeing.
 

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Originally posted by SELF-MASTERY
To legally do a citizens arrest in my locale...
Laws vary from state to state.
Also, a citizens arrest can only be performed during the commision of a felony.
If you're going to argue semantics, the point could always be brought that the person performing the citizen's arrest thought that the amount being stolen was enough to make it a felony, thus justifying the arrest. In any case, I don't think the media would allow a police department to arrest and prosecute a "hero of the community" who stopped a dangerous criminal from stealing a helpless woman's purse. Do you? :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by SELF-MASTERY
To legally do a citizens arrest in my locale you can only make the arrest with the conscent of the perp.... As an unsworned citizen you do not have the right to use force unless the perp is attacking you. Him fleeing doesnt give you the right to close line him. see 16th code of GA and a ADA as a professor.

Also, a citizens arrest can only be performed during the commision of a felony...... same as justifiable homicide
It's also illegal to have oral sex in some states, but you don't see anyone getting prosecuted for that, either.

Dude...stop making excuses for simply not giving a sh*t about your fellow man. Just own the fact that you wouldn't help someone in need and stop blaming it on obscure laws that are almost never utilized.
 

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Oh...and I lived in Georgia before...and it's a very conservative state. There is no way in hell someone would be prosecuted for stopping a thief. Hell, they'd be given the key to the city in a special celebratory reception.
 

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Originally posted by diablo
Laws vary from state to state.

If you're going to argue semantics, the point could always be brought that the person performing the citizen's arrest thought that the amount being stolen was enough to make it a felony, thus justifying the arrest. In any case, I don't think the media would allow a police department to arrest and prosecute a "hero of the community" who stopped a dangerous criminal from stealing a helpless woman's purse. Do you? :rolleyes:
Ahh yes......... the media, the mainstream media, the most biased joke that exisits. So from your post, these idiots are the people you want/trust to determine your fate? Jeeeez... you have been around Gio too long.

The media had incredible access to the OJ Simpson trial, yet he got off, although every being on earth KNOWS he murdered two people!! But you trust them to keep you safe and justified.

Yea....uhh, you and Gio are right, there is no bias. Do yourself a favor and learn to think for yourself, it may be beneficial to you in the future. But you have to let go of the arrogance first. This will be real hard for you, but it can be done.
 
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Wyldfire wrote:
It's also illegal to have oral sex in some states, but you don't see anyone getting prosecuted for that
Leave it to a woman to use sex to win an argument. :)
 

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Did you live in FULTON County???? It is far from liberal where I live.... 2 of the 3 biggest counties in GA are fulton and dekalb, both are very liberal. A guy was arrested for making a citizens arrest in fulton about 2 yrs ago. There gos ur conservatice GA/ media wont allow it arguement. The APD PR guy said you can not use force in a citizens arrest, they have to willingly comply (At the time i was angry). And your damn right im never going to put my life on the line for a stranger, i might call a cop or something, nor would I ever count on the rational thinking of the media or my fellow man.
 

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obscure laws that are almost never utilized.
Obscure, you have alot to learn. The sames laws you call obscure are the same ones that protect good citizens who are willing to help a stranger in need. What do you think the purpose of justifiable homicide statues??? I like for ppl to make rational choices based on facts, not blind faith. If your going to be Captain save ho to your community please learn the law. This is most important to my fellow gun owners, but I have a feeling they know:cool:


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By the time you saw that it was a purse snatcher, you had no idea where he was a purse snatcher or just some queer with a purse. If you knocked the guy down and he turned out to just be some dude with a purse, you would have been screwed like hell. Stop regretting it. Hindsight is 20/20, and you didn't know until after the fact.
 

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Originally posted by crowes22
Ahh yes......... the media, the mainstream media, the most biased joke that exisits. So from your post, these idiots are the people you want/trust to determine your fate? ... Do yourself a favor and learn to think for yourself,
I didn't realize I was opening the door for conspiracy theorists and naysayers to join in with their opinions on the OJ Simpson trial, of all things. Can't we stay on topic?

That being said, here's what I think (for myself): Boy fleeing frantically with purse. Two women chasing after him. (thought process deduces the kid has stolen the purse, and that the women aren't just running for their health). Boy is close enough so I can open the door and cause him to stop. I do so, and the women gets her purse back. I wait for the police to arrive. The police come and take our statements, arrest the guy, congratulate me. Nowhere in there does it include "police arrest me for stopping the purse snatcher".

Since some people here have already gone out of their way to blow this completely out of proportion, I'll do likewise. I checked Caesar's host name and saw it ended in msu.edu (Michigan State). From that, I called the East Lansing Police Department and spoke with Officer Jupin, explaining the situation (a friend of mine had seen this stuff happen, I was of the opinion he should have done something and others believe he should have just let nature take it's course).

Officer Jupin stated that the proper course of action would be for the guy in the car to call the police so someone could be dispatched to that location. He said that by forcibly stopping the purse snatcher, you could possibly be sued civilly by the injured party, however he thought any officers involved would come to testify in your defense. I asked him then if he was saying that it's better to not get involved. His response - "No, you should definitely get involved, but don't put yourself at risk".

So, make of it what you will. All I know is that if it were me in the car, I'd have stopped the guy. If a lawsuit was filed against me for it by the perp, so be it. I simply thought my tire was flat and opened the door at the red light to check it out... who do you think the judge is going to favor, a purse snatcher or a heroic citizen? According to the Michigan Code Pertaining to Bicycles, Sec 660 (1), A person operating a bicycle upon a roadway shall ride as near to the right side of the roadway as practicable, exercising due care when passing a standing vehicle or one proceeding in the same direction. If the driver could have opened the door on his side and hit the thief, then the person on the bike was already committing a civil infraction by using his vehicle on the wrong side of the road.

In any case, the woman who's purse got snatched was more than likely someone's mother. Let's put things in a different light - what if that was your mom who was brutally pushed into by some punk kid, who then proceeded to wrench the purse from her shoulder, potentially causing serious injury or even death (yes, deaths have occurred from purse-snatchers dragging the woman in an attempt to get away)? Would you all still say "Oh who cares, let my mom get knocked to the ground, have her purse ripped from her shoulder, why should I care?". That's pretty cold.

Maybe I was just brought up differently than y'all, but I feel like I've got a responsibility to help people who genuinely need my help. Shame that some people don't feel the same way.


Sources:
Bicyle Code
Ignelzi, R.J. "Latch on to Tips to Limit the Risk of Purse Snatching." - The San Diego Union-Tribune. 12 August 1993 (p. E2).
The Toronto Star. "Use Waist Pouch Instead of a Purse." 30 November 1993 (p. D1).
 

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WOW. quite the legal researcher:rolleyes:
 
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