The author (Anthony Colpo) has a book which goes into much more detail, data, analysis etc.LoneSilver said:Thanks simon good article.
This I know I am in no way into low fat diets.
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The author (Anthony Colpo) has a book which goes into much more detail, data, analysis etc.LoneSilver said:Thanks simon good article.
This I know I am in no way into low fat diets.
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Warboss Alex said:Lonesilver,
The point of the post isn't about omega3's in beef (which it should have yes, if it's grass fed organic etc - if you can afford that beef by all means have it), it's about the fat levels.
Incidentally, you say saturated fat is 'bad' yet poly and mono fats are good? Would you consider vegetable oil (polys) good for you?
Beef fat is NOT 100% saturated. It's about 50% saturated (give or take). Something else people miss.
simon said:The author (Anthony Colpo) has a book which goes into much more detail, data, analysis etc.
Warboss Alex said:I have never said people don't need a balance of fats. 30-50% of your fat can be saturated, the rest must be unsaturated and must include fish oil. Fish oil is superior to flax oil because it contains EPA/DHA while flax contains only ALA.
Yes people need a balance of fats for optimum health. But in no way is saturated fat (as part of the balance) unhealthy.. please show me some research that says it is.
Warboss Alex said:No, why should it? Saturated fat is only anabolic to fat cells if taken in with a lot of carbs (as with most fats really).
If it does have a tendency to get stored as fat more easily (for people with poor insulin sensitivity, but you're not overweight so it shouldn't be an issue with you) you have the rest of the day to burn it off.
I keep track of it all on fitday. I'd just take less olive oil in a day. Either way my fat/calorie totals for the day are going to remain the same.Remember of course that it's a great deal more calories than lean beef so factor this in. But generally in such a low carb environment I would definitely go with the fattier beef; the morning is the best time take it in for a few reasons.
...mrRuckus said:Der I guess it's rather obvious now that it's pointed out about the insulin. Should've thought of that.
What do you mean by overweight? I'm trying to burn fat right now as the top priority, but not SO important that i'm stifling all weight room gains. The strength gains i'm getting at the moment are pretty much neural as far as I can tell since I'm not eating enough for much muscle building.
BY OVERWEIGHT I MEAN SUBSTANTIALLY OVERWEIGHT (CARRYING ENOUGH BODYFAT TO AFFECT INSULIN SENSITIVITY - 20% OR MORE), WHICH AS FAR AS I REMEMBER YOU'RE NOT. YOU CAN STILL GAIN MUSCLE IF YOU EAT ENOUGH PROTEIN BUT IT DOES DEPEND ON HOW FAR UNDER MAINTAINANCE YOU GO, AS AFTER A POINT YOU USE INGESTED PROTEIN AS FUEL.
I keep track of it all on fitday. I'd just take less olive oil in a day. Either way my fat/calorie totals for the day are going to remain the same.
It's easy to say "oh i'll just burn it off later in the day" but i really just want what is optimal. More fat from less lean beef or more fat from olive oil is what it comes down to. Which makes it harder to lower my body fat? But, my original question was: does it REALLY matter 93/7 or 80/20 beef to justify the price increase, and it looks as though you've answered the question: even if there is a difference, it's not enough to care unless i'm eating it with carbs.
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT IT WON'T PARTICULARLY MATTER GIVEN YOUR CURRENT DIET SETUP. IT'S JUST THAT THE FATTIER BEEF CAN BE BENEFICIAL FOR MANY OTHER REASONS IN A FAT LOSS (OR BULKING UP) PHASE ESPECIALLY AS FAR AS STRENGTH AND HORMONE PRODUCTION IS CONCERNED (BOTH OF WHICH TYPICALLY SUFFER WHEN DIETING). THEREFORE IT WILL HELP YOUR FAT LOSS INDIRECTLY, BUT NO IT DOESN'T BURN FAT BY ITSELF. I WOULD SAY THEN THAT A HIGHER PROPORTION OF SATURATED FATS IN YOUR DIET (30-50%) IS OPTIMAL ON A ZERO CARB DIET (AS PER YOUR OFFDAYS), YES FOR OPTIMAL HEALTH AND PERFORMANCE. BUT YOU MAY GET THE SAME RESULTS (FAT LOSS WISE) WITH A DIFFERENT MIX OF FATS AS FAT LOSS IS DEPENDENT ON CALORIES AND SUFFICIENT FATS IN THE DIET TO SPARE PROTEIN AND NOT SO MUCH THE TYPE OF FATS (THERE'S FAT LOSS DIETS WHICH USE ONLY FISH OIL OR ONLY PEANUT BUTTER AS FAT INTAKE AND IT WORKS FINE - BUT MUSCLE IS LOST ON THESE DIETS TYPICALLY)
BOTTOM LINE IS, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE WITH EXTRA SATURATED FATS AND POTENTIALLY A LOT TO GAIN.
And the other thing is that if i can buy cheaper beef then i'll eat more beef and less chicken because the price in both won't be quite as far apart as it was.
I WOULD ALWAYS BUY THE CHEAPER BEEF ANYWAY AS YOU CAN RINSE OFF A GOOD DEAL OF THE FAT IF YOU NEEDED IT LEANER. THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE BEEF IS 85/15 I BELIEVE BUT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH AMERICAN FOOD PRICES. YOU CAN REDUCE 80/20 BEEF TO ABOUT 5% FAT BUT IT TAKES A BIT OF TIME (BUT IF YOU BULK PREPARE BEEF FOR THE WEEK IT'S NOT TOO MUCH TROUBLE).
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you can rinse/blot/drain 80/20 down to 5% fat or less.. then just make chili with it!Throttle said:the only trouble i have with draining or rising 80/20 down to 85/15 is that in my experience the missing fat takes some of the best flavor with it. with cheap beef, I need all the flavor I can keep.
true. also perfectly acceptable for taco meat, and anything else where you're going to drown out any beefy nuances with sheer firepower (cayenne, cumin, paprika, etc.)Warboss Alex said:you can rinse/blot/drain 80/20 down to 5% fat or less.. then just make chili with it!
Is there a good way to make chili without carbs? Tomato sauce of some sort seems to always be a staple but the cans of sauce i see always say like 10g of sugar per serving and that's the last thing i need in a fat meal.Warboss Alex said:you can rinse/blot/drain 80/20 down to 5% fat or less.. then just make chili with it!
Well, now you are getting anal.. 10g of carbs from tomatoes won't kill you. You can have 10-15g of carbs from veggies in a pro/fat meal. Tomatoes are very low GI and have a minimal impact on blood sugar levels (I've never heard of a 'tomato high').mrRuckus said:Is there a good way to make chili without carbs? Tomato sauce of some sort seems to always be a staple but the cans of sauce i see always say like 10g of sugar per serving and that's the last thing i need in a fat meal.
mrRuckus said:Ground turkey would pretty much be the same as chicken breasts but probably with more fat. It just looks the same as beef.
My current calorie count is just on the very edge of me being able to lose fat. I wasn't losing any fat at a slightly higher carb count so i lowered it a bit more and the body fat started coming off.
I don't see 85/15 beef for sale here very often. 93/7, 80/20 and rarely 90/10. Hell, 73/27 i see a lot too...
I don't really want to rinse it all the time because i tend to make meatloaf out of it so it's just packed into a baking pan raw and put into the oven and the pan drained without really rinsing the meat since it's now in a big loaf. But I do rinse it when i cook it in other ways. I'm not scared of fat.
thank you, fellers.