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Saturated fat. Beef fat. How anal?

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Saturated fat. Does it really matter?

93/7 or 80/20 beef? Does it really matter that much?

I mean really. Yeah I can rinse 80/20 beef sometimes depending on how I cook it, but not always.

I have 2 or 3 tablespoons of olive oil, 15g of fish oil, 4-5 whole eggs, besides 6-10oz of beef a day. Is the extra sat. fat realistically going to be harmful to my health and hinder me getting/staying lean? Is 93/7 worth the price/effort of obtaining it? It's often $0.80 - $1 more per lb IF it's not sold out when i get there.


Please don't get started on the "too much fish oil," "not enough fish oil" debate.

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since you also have a good amount of unsaturated fat sources (eggs, fish oil, olive oil) then the extra saturated fat shouldn't harm but it will depend on the overall carb totals of your diet. saturated fat is more easily stored as bodyfat than the rest and in a high carb environment you may want to limit this to some extent.
 

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How often do you eat beef?
 

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I just got through with eating 96/4 beef ratio and I have eaten the 80/20 the difference to me was the leaner cut taste a hell of a lot better than the 80/20 and my stomach didn't feel so dam full plus knowing the leaner cut you can down an extra burger (protein) without worrying about it the fat being stored on your being so it's just more healthy.

Just my newbie opinion ;)

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LoneSilver said:
without worrying about it the fat being stored on your being so it's just more healthy.
don't agree with that at all.

just because it's fat doesn't mean it'll be stored as fat, and saturated fat is healthier than a lot of things we eat.
 

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I've been riding out the 90%fat free beef from Sam's Club for several months now. I eat about 1/2-1lb. of beef a day,made via George Foreman grille. I also eat 2 whole eggs,2-4 pieces of cheese & 1/2-1 full cup of unsalted peanuts as well(that's all for the mentionable fat intake). I haven't noticed any negative effects from eating that much fat.

I know Costco sells ground beef that's like 95% fat free or something super lean for ground beef,I just can't see dropping $50 more bucks a year for a membership there just for 5% less fat.

If you have the money,go ahead and buy the leanest ground beef possible,if not don't fret it. Whatever you do just cook it on a George Foreman Grille and you'll be o.k.
 

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Fatty beef is way more anabolic than lean beef. However it can also be anabolic to fat cells in the wrong environment (high insulin levels through carb intake). However if you were following a no or low carb diet then you could eat the fatty stuff no problem. Hence why it will depend on the overall diet.
 

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I think it taste better though the leaner cut but that is up to each his own but as far as the other about the fat being stored well thats why I am still considered a newbie and appreciate the correction.

I do know that extra virgin coconut oil is saturated fat and that fat is healhty not sure why the difference but animal saturated fats too much of it is not good it bacically comes down to moderation I suppose but then again if it gets to a point where this doesn't matter I'll go back to eating big mac hamburgers like I did in my 20's and 30's :D

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don't agree with that at all.

just because it's fat doesn't mean it'll be stored as fat, and saturated fat is healthier than a lot of things we eat.
 

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I have been buying the 96/4 at Walmart and yes it is a bit costly but I just feel better eating this lean cut of ground beef but maybe I'll buy a George Foreman grill and start buying the more fatty beef and see how I like the taste.

But I also eat steaks, skinless chicken breast as well so it isn't always ground beef on the menu but maybe I should start buying chicken breast with the skin and save there too and just grill it too.

Guess there are options one can make to all this diet stuff but all I care about is getting the protein and keeping the fat off my waist as much as possible and keeping out the bad of my body that causes heart disease.

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I've been riding out the 90%fat free beef from Sam's Club for several months now. I eat about 1/2-1lb. of beef a day,made via George Foreman grille. I also eat 2 whole eggs,2-4 pieces of cheese & 1/2-1 full cup of unsalted peanuts as well(that's all for the mentionable fat intake). I haven't noticed any negative effects from eating that much fat.

I know Costco sells ground beef that's like 95% fat free or something super lean for ground beef,I just can't see dropping $50 more bucks a year for a membership there just for 5% less fat.

If you have the money,go ahead and buy the leanest ground beef possible,if not don't fret it. Whatever you do just cook it on a George Foreman Grille and you'll be o.k.
 

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LoneSilver said:
I do know that extra virgin coconut oil is saturated fat and that fat is healhty not sure why the difference but animal saturated fats too much of it is not good it bacically comes down to moderation I suppose but then again if it gets to a point where this doesn't matter I'll go back to eating big mac hamburgers like I did in my 20's and 30's :D
Why would coconut oil be healthy and beef fat not? They're both saturated and have the same chemical properties. They are used in exactly the same way by the body. So why pray, is animal fat worse?

Cause everyone's been brainwashed into thinking red meat is the devil, that's why. But we get kids at 17 with failing sex drives, I ask them what they eat, and I see a chicken breast and oatmeal diet..

Eat yer beef, fatty or not!
 

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sh!t. so i should be eating beef and stuff like every day?!
 

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int3l said:
sh!t. so i should be eating beef and stuff like every day?!
without a doubt, some red meat and eggs every day. (for health)

for gaining serious weight, a lb of beef and a dozen eggs (raw or cooked or a mix) to start with.

as for how lean you have your beef, it will depend on the overall diet (carb levels).
 

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What about all that "saturated fats lowers hdl, increase ldl" mumbo jumbo.
 

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This I know if the cut of beef or egg's I am going to eat has Omega-3 fatty acids it won't really matter to me as far as the saturated fat content is concerned. And coconut oil is plant based which has a different type of saturated fat or has a natural chemical thats healthy like there is in dark chocolate which dark chocolate helps lower blood pressure and the two are different from the beef saturated fat as they have different properities.

If the chicken or cattle were raised naturally the right way like they were at the turn of the 19th centry or on today's smaller cattle farms where cattle were glazing the land eating grasses without hormone injections and crap like that beef and eggs should and do the natural ones have Omega-3 heart healthy fats.

The problem is alot of cattle farms became corporations and massed produced their cattle to get them to market and the end product is no Omega-3 fatty acids in the beef or egg's as the chicken's weren't fed the right feed and you basically have beef and egg's that aren't healthy as it isn't naturally produced as it was intended for the human body.

Thus if you were a hunter in cave man days you saw a wild animal wondering around you could bet that animal once you killed it was filled with Omega-3 fats as well as saturated fats but both together are better than just the one that has saturated fats with hormones etc.

Deer hunters around these parts kill wild deer and the cut of meat has saturated fats but the meat is also filled with Omega-3 fatty acids... why? Because it's a wild animal and it's feeding on grasses and berries etc., not being subjected to controlled feedings and hormone injections.

Anyway, I'll stick to the natrual cuts of beef and if the label doesn't say it I won't be buying it I'd just eat wild salmon to get my proteins from foods if I can't find the natural cuts. But Walmart has the cuts as well as other smaller stores but there are even debates now going on if what you buy says natural. Is it really natural and if it turns out it's not natural I see alot of suing going on. I also have the option of relatives small cattle farms.

As far as gaining any type of knowledge one must take what they read and decide for themselves what they want to put into their bodies.

Brainwashing really doesn't have anything to do with it as these issues are debates and they continue on today amongst doctors. Are all doctors morons? I don't think so, but alot of them are and I have met a few in my time and disputed everything they tried to put me on like medicines etc., and I am doing OK health wise.

It really just comes down to who do you what to believe? This doctor or this trainer or Mr. Wiggles who lives down the street whose 105 years old 40lbs overweight who has smoked his whole life eats hot dogs and hamburgers and tator chips everyday and drinks coke cola's and works the farm.

Nothing anymore is black and white if it were then these debates would never come up everyone would be eating and being merry and having great sex at any age.

If I see a study on bodybuilders-powerlifters who consume large amounts of red meat and beef and they are in their later years without signs of heart disease I'd like to read it and I just might change my mind because just maybe we bodybuilders and powerlifters are a different special breed of stock amongst the population.

I do know we are healthier but just how healthy in the coming years will we be in the beef selection we consume and if the beef selection isn't natural will supplementing with fish oils be enough to get the Omege-3's is the question.

At my age I keep an open mind as new studies are coming out everyday so I'll leave it there but I do respect your opinion Alex but what is your background on this area?

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Why would coconut oil be healthy and beef fat not? They're both saturated and have the same chemical properties. They are used in exactly the same way by the body. So why pray, is animal fat worse?

Cause everyone's been brainwashed into thinking red meat is the devil, that's why. But we get kids at 17 with failing sex drives, I ask them what they eat, and I see a chicken breast and oatmeal diet..

Eat yer beef, fatty or not!
 

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donjuanjovi said:
How often do you eat beef?
mrRuckus said:
I have 2 or 3 tablespoons of olive oil, 15g of fish oil, 4-5 whole eggs, besides 6-10oz of beef a day.


Warboss Alex said:
Fatty beef is way more anabolic than lean beef. However it can also be anabolic to fat cells in the wrong environment (high insulin levels through carb intake). However if you were following a no or low carb diet then you could eat the fatty stuff no problem. Hence why it will depend on the overall diet.

Lift days: 85g fat, 100g carbs
Non-lift days: 100g fat, 0g carbs (not counting ~15g of trace carbs)

All carbs coming during the workout, in the PWO shake, or the PPWO meal. I eat however many green vegetables (mostly broccoli, spinach, green beans) I want and don't bother to count them.

I never mix carbs/fat in a meal.

My current goals are dropping fat and gaining strength, which is going fine because i'm losing no muscle size, strength is going up, and i'm losing from 0.5 to 1 lb a week.

So you think fattier beef will really make no difference in body fat if i'm not eating it anywhere near carbs? I usually have it for breakfast after morning walking, which I had 15g of BCAA before. Good anabolic boost to start the day?
 

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No, why should it? Saturated fat is only anabolic to fat cells if taken in with a lot of carbs (as with most fats really). Remember of course that it's a great deal more calories than lean beef so factor this in. But generally in such a low carb environment I would definitely go with the fattier beef; the morning is the best time take it in for a few reasons.

If it does have a tendency to get stored as fat more easily (for people with poor insulin sensitivity, but you're not overweight so it shouldn't be an issue with you) you have the rest of the day to burn it off.

Secondly including beef in your pre-workout meal (or in the pre-workout period of the day) will make your training more aggressive, leading to better strength gains. Kickoff your test production early in the day.

The other good time to have a higher-fat beef meal is before bed as the fat will slow digestion and give you better sleep, but I wouldn't go with the 20% fat beef here as it is simply a lot of calories for your protein - if you needed 60g protein in the meal you'd also get 60g fat which the body won't need before bed. 90/10 is a good prebed choice.

If you're doing carb days, which you should be even just once a week, I wouldn't have fatty beef on this day.
 

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I checked the coconut oil I have and it has the mono and poly saturated fats in it as well as the saturated fat which are part of the good fats most beef doesn't have this mix.

I guess the point of my post is this, if you know you are getting a better cut of beef ground beef, steak etc., and you know by your research it has Omega-3's by being that the cattlle were grass fed and it's a natural choice wouldn't you feel better buying that kind beef instead of one that doesn't have the Omega-3's that are supposed to be that way anyway regardless if it's 60/40 or other high fat? I know I would and the same for the egg's too.

No one has to agree but this is what I know to be true and yes I'll eat a ton of good choice ground beef to better my protein intake or my overall workouts if the research shows that it will boost my testrostrone but as I said it will be a good choice of ground beef with the omega-3 why should it be any other way because someone might think it bullsh*t.

So in laymens terms eggs and beef are natually supposed to have Omega-3's these are facts that can't be disputed if cattle and chickens are raised and fed the way they are supposed too.

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Lonesilver,

The point of the post isn't about omega3's in beef (which it should have yes, if it's grass fed organic etc - if you can afford that beef by all means have it), it's about the fat levels.

Incidentally, you say saturated fat is 'bad' yet poly and mono fats are good? Would you consider vegetable oil (polys) good for you?

Beef fat is NOT 100% saturated. It's about 50% saturated (give or take). Something else people miss.
 
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