Sales Position 100% commision? (loan origination)

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What do you guys think about taking a 100% commision job right out of (loan origination)

Advantages-

- Freedom

- My job will be to approach people:up: and spit game to them

- Commision work forces the worker to actually WORK. I have big time problem with motivation.

- unlimited income :up: :down:


Disadvantages-

- oh shyt I have to actually work for my paycheck:nervous:

- It will force me to really jump outside of my comfort zone (not really a bad thing)

- I'm inexperienced
 

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Ask them about how they generate their leads.

And make sure that they put the commission structure in writing.
Retain a copy.
 

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Good advice.
 

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I've done this. Most people have to telemarket, which sucks, but even a simple mortgage refi can make a grand or more. You deal with lots of rejection and occassional sales that make decent money. imo, 95% of the job is salesmanship and dealing with rejection. Other things that will help you is a working knowledge of credit scoring so that you can counsel people and answer questions. afoaf is a very experienced broker, and he makes very good money by paying off peoples' credit cards with a mortgage refi, which lowers their total monthly payment on debt, saves interest, moves them ahead in a loan amortization, and assuming they don't run up the credit cards again, it will improve their credit score by paying off the credit card debt with a cash-out refi. I helped a college prof do this; he moved ahead three years in his amortization and bought a new car with the money that he had been using to make payments on credit cards and the old higher interest mortgage. If you know your stuff, you can really help people.

Also, ss user "SINN3R" is a loan originator. I'm sure he can help you, too.

http://dmoz.org/Business/Marketing_and_Advertising/Salesmanship/

http://dmoz.org/Home/Personal_Finance/Money_Management/Credit/
 

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Tom Hopkins, Zig Ziglar, Brian Tracy, and Jeff Fox are masters in their field.



lol... can't help you with the motivation though ;)
 

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thanks guys..

bible, thanks for the links.
 

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100% commision sounds kind of wierd, but depending on the companies, they sometimes fudge the numbers to make it seem like you're getting more. The first broker I worked for offered a 90% commission, but after looking at the numbers it's because they got fees totalling $1700 no matter how much the deal made. In Vegas that's fince, because almost all houses here are $200k and up and a point on the front (borrower paid) and two points on the back (lender paid) means a minimum $6k commission just in origination fees, plus all of the other fees. Of course, the best thing about home loans is that you can sort of charge whatever the borrower is willing to pay, within reason. When you're a lona officer, you start to love the words "seller paid closing" :D

Just look into their pay structure very closely. Make sure thatthey don't have restrictions on the Good Faith Estimate charges or something silly like that. I don't think they would, but make sure anyway.

You named the pros and cons pretty well, but depending on how you work, some might change categories.

Like it forcing you to work. Sure it's a good thing if you need inspiration, but at the same time, if you're not busting ass all of the time, you might have some months come up where you're a bit short. That blows. Trust me, that blows and a half. With some people it's good, they just take it as it is, but for others it's too much pressure. Plus, if people arent' selling, you might not be closing deals.

One pro is that once you're in, you're good to go. Once you've gotten realtors to start bringing you deals, and you do a good job, close their sh!t on time and make their job easier, they will bring you more and more. But you have to get in first. The biggest hurdle is that depending on who you are working for, you might not offer anything that everyone else doesn't offer, especially true if you work for a broker. Just about every broker has the same programs that all of the rest do, so to convice people to use you, you have to sell yourself to them as much as the product, because anyone can get them the product. You have to bring something to the table that no one else offers, and all that possibly can be is you.

There aren't really many universal cons. You work when you want. Odds are they won't fire you if you take a month vacation after a big deal or whatever, because i doesn't cost them anything to keep you on. The only real con (and it's only that if you let it be) is that you have to go out and find people who are CAPABLE of getting the loan and people that it makes sense to give a loan to. I said capable, not willing, because you can sell a loan to nearly anybody. But there are so many people who have bad credit and want a million dollar house for $500 a month, it ain't happenin yo! It's your job to sell them on it.

Speaking of..... Work calls, so I'll have to finish this later.
 

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Thanks man...

Do most of your deals come from re agents that u have a relationship from or do you just hit the street and network???
 

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ive been a broker for about 2.5 years. i am now a team leader with about 15 people working for me. i have originators who are new and they telemarket, loan officers who structure the deal and i close them. its the best system because i really do have to do much and my guys are learning to become a complete broker not just a telemarketer. this also frees up my time so i can do my own real estate deals which make me an additional 100k a year beside the 200k i make as a broker. the best part about it is that in the next 5 years 80% of brokers are going to be out of the buisness due to high rates and lack of knowledge. which means more money for people who know what the hell they're doing. my only suggestion is to learn as much as you can because most brokers want you to not know anything so that you can keep originating loans for them. but if you can close loans all by yourself you can work anywhere and make $.
 

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its a business where you can REALLY make crazy money. I have friends who are making high 6 figures there, and they love what they do. Its all about your drive and ambition and the ability to learn and sell.

Of course if you are a lazy bum looking for an easy path, its not for you.



unamean: i think by 100% commission he meant that he its pure commission, and he wasn't talking about the split.
 

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Im glad you brought this up because I recently lost my job and a friend who lives in the apartment downstairs said he can get me an interview doing a job that involves going from business to business dealing with phone/internet service etc.
He didnt BS me at all he said you have to hustle but he said his lowest week was like $400 and on average he brought home $650 a week. Im thinking of looking into it.
 

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going from business to business

I had a job selling outdoor signs to businesses. Those are rough jobs. Business owners get salespeople visiting constantly. Like women, prospects have their own ASD, anti-salesman defense. You have to slip under the radar.
 

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Have you worked in any other commisioned job before?
 
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