Russian vs. American men - what are my advantages and disadvantages?

[Cod3r]

My girlfriends sisters husband is Russian and he's cool but he's blah...

No style, no game, he's just a guy...

A friend of mine is Russian and he's outgoing and cool but ugly and has same questions about females as everyone else on this board...

A guy at my school is Russian and he gets any lady he wants, he's a pimp...

Point is, different guy = different game... no race has any better advantage than anyone else...


-Cod3r

 

[sav]

i'll tell you the main difference,

in russia the ratio of women to men is far higher then in the states (also applies to here in canada) hence why a different attitude towards women is developped...

im russian myself so i know...

i dream of coming back there... so many hot girls and u know what? unlike here they come up to you if you are half decent looking...

 

[Last Man Standing]

Russians are invading my town!!

 

[Last Man Standing]

and here is a BIG difference - the women are trained to be females - meaning be loyal, cook, clean and look good for her man. It works out.

Here - it seems like women wanting to be independent makes them less female yet the guys become ... I don't know, someone finish the phrase for me.

They are not trained to be feminine - that is a woman's natural genetic state - but in the USA women ARE trained to be and do as men do and be "masculine" ,"liberated" from the constraints of their natural femininity!! That is when in the 1960's they started to burn their bras and scracth at their crotch like men !!! Then they went from a woman to becoming a hor that no one respects!!!

And the men have become submiissive not to a woman but rather to a hor for fear of her leaving him and taking the pvssy along with her!!

My brother is looking for a wife at this russian dating/wife site Anastasia.com what do you Russos think?

 

[Ice Cold]

My brother is looking for a wife at this russian dating/wife site Anastasia.com what do you Russos think?

She'll drop him after the greencard. :yes:

I think in russia the guys have a whole different level of problems, which americans will never understand. After you learn to deal with them, coming to US and having the same attitudes gives off a "i'm from the mafia" vibe by default.

And black is THE universal color. Always in style.

 

[Oxide]

Ha no sh1t ice, I was just remembering yesterday how I had to run home from school and make sure I was out on the watch for some jerkoff trying to rob me.

Two attempted robberies on me, both unsuccessful and I wasn't even 12 yet. Stalking, alcohol at 10, prostitution at 15, I've seen a lot of this and I lived in the nice part of my neighborhood. I liked it though - it taught me that I had to have a big crew and friends to protect each other. Also made me much more independent and taught me to think on my feet.

However, once I moved to USA, all of this went to hell since here we are all about not letting anyone get cut on the sharp edges. There was an excellent article in either Forbes or Maxim about a rural russian family coming to Baltimore. The author did an exceptional job describing USA - here the rough edges are smoothed out. We are taught not to stand out, not to take risk or draw attention. But at the same time, we do not bond as good with each other, because you always bond the hardest through hardship.

Don't get me wrong, I love USA, but I can't say that Russia is better or worse, it is just different

 

[Babnik]

Ha no sh1t ice, I was just remembering yesterday how I had to run home from school and make sure I was out on the watch for some jerkoff trying to rob me.

Two attempted robberies on me, both unsuccessful and I wasn't even 12 yet. Stalking, alcohol at 10, prostitution at 15, I've seen a lot of this and I lived in the nice part of my neighborhood. I liked it though - it taught me that I had to have a big crew and friends to protect each other. Also made me much more independent and taught me to think on my feet.

However, once I moved to USA, all of this went to hell since here we are all about not letting anyone get cut on the sharp edges. There was an excellent article in either Forbes or Maxim about a rural russian family coming to Baltimore. The author did an exceptional job describing USA - here the rough edges are smoothed out. We are taught not to stand out, not to take risk or draw attention. But at the same time, we do not bond as good with each other, because you always bond the hardest through hardship.

Don't get me wrong, I love USA, but I can't say that Russia is better or worse, it is just different

Exactly... In USA you HAVE TO stand out to get noticed. Girls love it.

I also think that a lot of it has to do with the fact that Russians fight a lot more and when someone does PEACOCKING in a club then Russian guys just kick his ass.

Over here kicking ass gets you arrested and f*ck ups your life!

It BOTHERS ME. Like, I'm not all about TALK, I'm about the damn WALK and when some mofo tries to insult me I want to knock him down, but I CAN'T. So, I just take it because I'm not good at saying things back...I wonder where can I learn that.

Also...do you mean Russians and Americans don't bond too well? Russian people bond REAL well with each other I think. Its just...bratva....brigada!

Like, we always stand up for our girls even if we are just friends.

So typical of American girls to HATE when guys fight and SO typical of a Russian girl to ask me "Do you want to kick someone's ass?" when someone insulted her...

I would love to, but I just can't f*ck my record and be on probations. It drives me NUTS...

Also, its so much easier to compliment ladies in Russia and they like it more. In English it comes out so cheeeesy.

BTW, all that flower giving thing people talk about...its just a custom for us. We bring ladies flowers regardless of how we feel towards them. Its not a "Here's a nice wench, now suck it hard!"

I'm not sure girls like Mafia look...they do think its badass though.

Then again...compare USA to NYC. I'm not even talking about Brooklyn where all Russians live. Take Long Island or Bronx or any other part and you will realize NYC is SO not like rest of the USA and people there are way way more compatible with Russian people.

How do you deal with SMILING and people being so nice to you REGARDLESS of how they feel? I am not liking it...I can't tell if she likes me or not because ALL girls are opened and even flirty, but thats out of being nice...just weird.

 

[danielzxc]

Humor = problem. I don't get a LOT of their humor...especially the whole "Why did bla bla do bla?" "Because bla!"

I seriously can't joke in English...

I think you're main problem with girls in America is that you're an outsider.

See, I am Serbian. Born there, raised in America and Australia. I can speak Serbian fluently, but when I go there for a holiday and I hang out with friends, their humor mostly sounds very stupid to me. I laugh to be be polite, but either I don't get the joke, or if I do get it, or if someone explains it to me, deep down I don't think it's funny at all. This leads me "my" little theory (some sociologist probably realized it ages ago) that you're not really fully a part of a culture until you can understand its humor, or even better, be humorous (yourself) in it. So, my point is, even though I felt GENERALLY very accepted and a part of things over there, part me of was still an outsider, and when it comes to girls and relationships that little part is actually quite important.

It's not an easy thing to do, becoming part of a new culture. The older you are, the harder it is. I remember when the wars were on in Croatia and Bosnia, and a lot of Serbs came to Australia. The younger ones (younger than say 14) adapted in a year or two. The older ones, who were 17, 18 or older, even today they are still largely outsiders. I can only think of one of these older guys who adapted really well to things here, and started picking up good looking girls.

If you want some advice, I would say you are better off sticking to the eastern european ethnic groups (ie, those ones who still maintain their identities and are not yet totally Americanized). If you go for fully American girls, you are probably going to have less success.

 

[Babnik]

I think you're main problem with girls in America is that you're an outsider.

See, I am Serbian. Born there, raised in America and Australia. I can speak Serbian fluently, but when I go there for a holiday and I hang out with friends, their humor mostly sounds very stupid to me. I laugh to be be polite, but either I don't get the joke, or if I do get it, or if someone explains it to me, deep down I don't think it's funny at all. This leads me "my" little theory (some sociologist probably realized it ages ago) that you're not really fully a part of a culture until you can understand its humor, or even better, be humorous (yourself) in it. So, my point is, even though I felt GENERALLY very accepted and a part of things over there, part me of was still an outsider, and when it comes to girls and relationships that little part is actually quite important.

It's not an easy thing to do, becoming part of a new culture. The older you are, the harder it is. I remember when the wars were on in Croatia and Bosnia, and a lot of Serbs came to Australia. The younger ones (younger than say 14) adapted in a year or two. The older ones, who were 17, 18 or older, even today they are still largely outsiders. I can only think of one of these older guys who adapted really well to things here, and started picking up good looking girls.

If you want some advice, I would say you are better off sticking to the eastern european ethnic groups (ie, those ones who still maintain their identities and are not yet totally Americanized). If you go for fully American girls, you are probably going to have less success.

You're pretty much right.

 

[Ice Cold]

Babnik - how long have u been in US?

 

[Le Parisien]

Babnik - how long have u been in US?

I think another question that goes in pair with it would be: at what age did you come to the US?

danielzxc is totally right, and I'm just another example of that.

Personally, I'm a Chinese kid who came to France at the tender age of 14 . And I can tell you that I'm totally adapted to the French culture now. I don't have an accent, I get the jokes, I even make them all the time. Basically I live like an ordinary Frenchie besides the culinary part.

At the same time, I pretty much understand everything in Chinese. But meanwhile I feel somewhat estranged from the culture because although I "understand" it, it's not how I live.

Among the very few Chinese acquaintances I know, I don't know a single person who came to France after 18 and totally adapted to the culture here. They speak French with an accent, and they usually prefer Chinese music/shows/movies etc, they all have a westernized version of typical Chinese mentality. "Back home it's so much better... blablabla..."

Babnik:
Maybe you are just too old to adapt to a new environment, so subconsciously and consciously, you justify this unintentional failure by convincing yourself that it's actually better to be Russian.

Seriously, America or the Western world in general may have its problems. But if it was not better overall than your great Russia or Ukraine, you won't have immigrated to the USA. Case closed.

And you think "fighting all the time" and basically being less civilized and more "savage" is a sign of better manhood , seriously, go to Iraq or some poor African country at war. Over there, they don't fight, they kill. Maybe you will be transformed into a uber alpha male that all the hot women want... :crackup: :crackup:

 

[Celadus]

I worked in Alaska last summer and about a third of my coworkers were Russian college students, mainly Ukrainian. The girls were beautiful but the guys didn't strike me as that alpha. They seemed to have chips on their shoulders and had a real problem being around "rich" Americans. I made friends with one and he said my IPOD cost about what most Ukrainians make in month.

They seemed "alpha" in the same sense as people from the ghetto. Hard lives make you harder and aggressive. Not really more confident in yourself. They weren't bad guys though. Communication problems led to a lot of arguments that no one understood what anyone was aruging about. Most of them went to the top university in Odessa so I'm not sure what most Russians are like. But everyone is an individual.

 

[Le Parisien]

They seemed "alpha" in the same sense as people from the ghetto. Hard lives make you harder and aggressive. Not really more confident in yourself.

Exactly!!!:yes:

 

[Babnik]

I think another question that goes in pair with it would be: at what age did you come to the US?

danielzxc is totally right, and I'm just another example of that.

Personally, I'm a Chinese kid who came to France at the tender age of 14 . And I can tell you that I'm totally adapted to the French culture now. I don't have an accent, I get the jokes, I even make them all the time. Basically I live like an ordinary Frenchie besides the culinary part.

At the same time, I pretty much understand everything in Chinese. But meanwhile I feel somewhat estranged from the culture because although I "understand" it, it's not how I live.

Among the very few Chinese acquaintances I know, I don't know a single person who came to France after 18 and totally adapted to the culture here. They speak French with an accent, and they usually prefer Chinese music/shows/movies etc, they all have a westernized version of typical Chinese mentality. "Back home it's so much better... blablabla..."

Babnik:
Maybe you are just too old to adapt to a new environment, so subconsciously and consciously, you justify this unintentional failure by convincing yourself that it's actually better to be Russian.

Seriously, America or the Western world in general may have its problems. But if it was not better overall than your great Russia or Ukraine, you won't have immigrated to the USA. Case closed.

And you think "fighting all the time" and basically being less civilized and more "savage" is a sign of better manhood , seriously, go to Iraq or some poor African country at war. Over there, they don't fight, they kill. Maybe you will be transformed into a uber alpha male that all the hot women want... :crackup: :crackup:

Well. This is what it does to me...when I first came to US High School I never felt pressure to do anything because I was separate....the whole school could say "You are a loser" and it would not mean anything to me.

Same thing with girls here....games they play, things they simply don't have a meaning... because first of all I was born and conditioned differently (even though its a much more masculine approach) and second of all its more than OK for me to say something she will think is wierd...

Like, I went out on a date and I did not get ANY of her jokes. Like...was I supposed to suck up and laugh at them? No..I felt that they were stupid and I gave her dumb looks.

So, what happened? On the way back to my place she tried to joke and I thought it was so dumb and she caught it and said "Yeah...like you'll ever call me again..." and she was discouraged...so she flaked. I liked her body, but her personality was SO odd to me and I didn't supplicate and showed my disgust. So I called her back when I got horny, but she flaked...

So, I am REALLY checking girls out whether I like them or not and NOT playing a game where seeming like I have control would make them want me. I DO have control, but often their DIFFERENCE turns me off but their bodies keep me horny... What do you do in such cases?

 

[Oxide]

You could always just stop listening to women and stop caring what they think man.

Trust me -all of us pretend to pay attention at time, because a lot of girls are very dumb and talk about stupid things. Nothing wrong with pretending like it is funny just to get laid.

Yeah I totally know how you feel actually. I am remembering same things now. Give it a few years you'll get it down. For now, don't take things too seriously.

 

[Le Parisien]

You could always just stop listening to women and stop caring what they think man.

Trust me -all of us pretend to pay attention at time, because a lot of girls are very dumb and talk about stupid things. Nothing wrong with pretending like it is funny just to get laid.

Yeah I totally know how you feel actually. I am remembering same things now. Give it a few years you'll get it down. For now, don't take things too seriously.

Yes.

I think many times it's just a different story. It's not about the cultural differences, it's more about the usual bimbo type of "hot" girls who have nothing funny/interesting/smart to say. Their jokes suck azz, their stories suck azz...
You get bored even if you are from the same culture.

However, if this happens with almost every girl, then cultural differences might be the reason.:yes:

 

[MisterNigma]

Interesting . . .

Russian vs. American?

I'm russian, 22, been here since I was 10. Over the course of highschool, and college I have assimilated the ameirican culture completely.

Russians have an advantage. There are alot of factors, but on average, russian men who are in the US are smarter, and without a question tougher.

For me, at this point it's actually more complicated to be in an entirely russian environment, I speak fluently, read and write, and definately understand and appreaciate the russian humor more.

For the most part, I don't think it should have an impact on life. Alot of times people are actually suprised to find out that I'm russian. At this point it's almost like a switch, I can either act russian, or not. My accent is so negligeble that unless I drink alot, with the exception of a few words, it's impossible for americans to detect.

So Russians have an advantage. I wouldn't worry about the humor part. Alot of american humor is just plain dumb. I can understand it, but I just don't find it funny. That said though, I do think that comedians like George Carlin are hilarious. It's hard to explain, but you'll get used to it.

Just use the whole "russian" part of your personality to add more mistique to yourself.

You are what you choose to be, and being russian, NU ETO PROSTO GORAZDO INTERESNIYE! being an american, that's easy.


-E.Nigma

P.S.- I think russia has much hotter girls. Ya hochu poehati v moskvu i kaliningrad, tam devochki prosto prelest.