Ruined chances?

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Ok, so i've been talking and going for occasional coffee with this girl from the office. Big office. Don't even see her most days. Looks like all is going well, she's always happy to see me and talk when we do run into each other.
So after a few coffee get togethers I ask would she like to do lunch sometime. She replies, without hesitation, yes, but can it be the week after next. No worries.
Week and half later, I send and email," how's things, blah blah blah. Do you still want to grab lunch." Get a reply back. "Can't this week, so much on. How are you blah blah blah, will catch up with you soon." So i'm a little disappointed, but she is actually really busy and wasn't just making excuses.
Ok so now I don't contact her and wait to see if she gets back to me.
Run into her about a week later, she's really happy to see me again and we start chatting for a while. She's been moving apartment I ask how thats going. She tells me having trouble at old place, won't give bond back until carpet is steam cleaned. I tell her I own a steam clean machine and offer to let her use it. She asks if I wouldn't mind doing if for her and offers to pay me. I kind of hesitate but accept the offer. She asks for my number so she can text me details. Great, exchanged numbers. I know, i know. I've been moving slow.
As I leave her I make a joke about hurrying up and get all your work done so we can go get lunch. Has a little laugh. All good.
Ok so we meet up after work and go to the old apartment and I fix the carpet up in about 20 mins. All happy. She asks how much would professionals charge. I make a joke about how little it would be and tell her not to worry about. Great.
We hang around there for about half an hour having a good talk then when we leave she thanks me and says you have my number now so call me and we can go get coffee and then asks if I would like to do something one night together as she doesn't like trying to schedule lunches. Always busy at work. I reply yea great, how about dinner next week. She agrees. Ok feels like i'm getting somewhere now.
Couple of days later, I send a text saying "Was really good getting to know you a bit the other night. Have a nice weekend." Get a good reply back saying " U too, got my bond back, thanks, blah blah, will cu next week."
Ok this is where I blow it.
So I haven't seen her this week and its wednesday morning. I want to get dinner but I've only got tonight or Thursday as she goes back to her hometown on weekends. I plan to ask her to coffee and try and make a date then. So I call her in the morning at about the time we would call each other to go get coffee. When she answers she sounds happy to hear from me. Says she is still at home, running late, feeling a little sick. I say ok I was just seeing if you wanted to get coffee but it looks like not now. She laughs and says I'll call you later and we'll do it then. Cool. This is where I should have ended the call. She keeps the conversation going asking hows things etc, so we chat for a bit and then I couldn't help it. I knew I shouldn't but it just came out. "I was just wondering if still want to get dinner this week. Maybe tomorrow night". "She says How about next week I'm feeling and bit sick and next week is not so busy." OK no worries but then I go one further. Again I know I should't say it but it just came out. "OK would Thursday be good." WTF. Remembering that she is late work and still getting ready. She then says ok I need to check my diary but wednesday is probably better, I'll let you know. I say Ok its cool let me know, I know you're busy. End of call.
Run into her about an hour and half later just as she's getting to work . She looks happy to see me and smiles and makes a joke about finally making it and we keep going different directions.
I didn't hear back from her but I don't think she worked all day and wasn't in today. Sick i'm guessing.
Anyway, I haven't made further contact and don't plan too.
Ok sorry for the long post and thanks if you read it all.
I think I've messed it up big time on the morning phone call. When I basically panicked and wanted a firm date. I've played it so cool up until then.
Thanks for any advice.
 

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I think you're grossly over analysing this.

She hasn't flat out rejected you (yet), just keep calm and sort out your and her schedules.
No big deal. Organise a Wednesday meeting and don't be so outcome dependent. At this stage you're just trying to set the hook, not skull drag the fish in.
Don't forget the advice for dates on these boards and have a good time!
 

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You're not doing anything to make her tingle, so she has low interest.

The busiest women magically find an amazing amount of time for a man that they have high interest in. For the low interest men, they're always busy, in this case because work is more important.
 

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Hey guys.Thanks for the replies.
You both seem on the money. Two things I should add though, she showed the initial interest in me that got the ball rolling, and while helping out at her apartment I learned that she is massively religious. Parents are ministers in a church where she goes to help out at every weekend. She Indian, me white. This is maybe causing her to hold back. I'm really struggling to read it.
Anyway, really enjoying the forums and learning so much. Wish I was onto it before.
Thanks
 

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is there even a problem? she feels sick now and will have dinner with you next week or somewhere in the near future. i guess she'll let you know.


BUT you will fock things up if you cant relax a bit. she doesnt owe you anything. you might think that just because she has shown some interest in the beginning now the train is set on rails and in motion. it is not.

it is ok to be a little bit persistent and showing interest is also not completely wrong, but dont expect anything here just because you try hard. i mean "dinner" and so ... what do you expect will happen. i almost can see you getting desperate to get a kiss from her and if that doesnt happen questioning everything and her attitude and so on. dont take that road. just saying.

actually i think it would be a good thing for you to cancel the dinner once it is set. something came up, it happens. you can show that you are less needy than you appear. then make it up with something better and probably more interesting/exciting than dinner. you already know her well enough, what you need is not conversation but action. something you both can experience and enjoy. just my 2c
 

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All advice is bang on!

This is the beginning of the beginning and you're already brooding over it.
I think you need to get about 4 more of these maybe chicks so you're not so focused.
If you're so worried at this stage, try to picture yourself if you have dated her a few times!

Regarding the carpet, payment, I'd have suggested she buy you dinner or something.

SH
 

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OK guys. Thanks for your advice before but I really need it again. I know this is just another "help me, help me" thread but this situation is just really difficult for me to get my head around.

So after about 3 weeks of NC, she initiated again. It was a really weird work related question. So weird it was obvious she was letting me know everything was still cool. I think anyway. Run into her a few days later. Stop to talk for a few minutes and all was happy. As we leave she says give me call later and we'll go for coffee. Remembering what has happened before when she says she's busy, I reply "you call me when you can go. I can squeeze it in." Needless to say I didn't hear from her that day. A few days later called her for coffee and surprise, surprise, she's busy at the moment. Ok i say but I wanted to ask about something relating my own business that she may know. So I give her the details and she wasn't sure but tells she will call her sister because she probably will know and then call me back. "Busy" huh i think. I tell her its not that important and can wait untill next time she speaks with her. Now the reason I asked her help with this problem was to see how keen she would be to help out. Next day I see her and she tells me she spoke with her sis last night but wasn't quite sure about it and offers me her sisters number so I can call myself. OK so I was pretty surprised she made the effort.

So over the next couple of weeks every time I see her she's more and more excited to see me. Sometimes if she is with other people I'll focus my attention almost entirely on the others to see how she reacts. And its good. It does seem to affect her and she really tries hard to get into the conversation.

I tell her its my birthday coming up on the weekend and invite her dinner with some friends. Its on a weekend and I know she cant come because of family commitments but do it anyway just to see what reaction I get.

So late Friday afternoon she makes another weird phone call disguising it as work related. Starts asking about my birthday dinner and if it will be a big night etc. I wonder if she is concerned because girls will be there. Got a couple of text from her the next day Happy Bday and again next day how was it etc.

OK so next week after that she's looking much friendlier and excited to see me again. Thursday week I got given a card for free coffees so I text her and tell her what I got and tell her to call me tomorrow morning and 1 is for her. This is the first time I tell her i want to see her rather than ask. I got this as a reply. "Can't tomorrow. Lets make it Monday. And sorry for being so anti-social the last few weeks. I've just been really busy with work." Wow i think. text back "OK see you next week." Run into her next day, shes walking with a friend, ditches her to come talk to me, very excited, have a chat and then she starts telling me how she hasn't been eating too well this week, hasn't been feeling too well because of it. Smiling the whole time. Massive hint to ask her to dinner again. But Ive got a better idea and I just let it pass and continue talking about other stuff.

So I take you guys advice and decide to ask for the date again. This time action date. She's a pilot and loves to fly but hasn't flown for a while. So I call for the coffee on Monday. We go for coffee and she didn't really seem to be in good mood. Said she was feeling sick, conversation was going nowhere. I didn't think I would get the chance to ask because if this. Just as were about to part ways she mentions something about flying, yes!, I say i've got an idea, maybe a bit crazy but how about one afternoon we hire a plane and go for a fly. She stopped dead in her tracks. Loved the idea. Says it might be hard to organise though where we live. She says will make a phone call to try get a plane. Meanwhile I tried it out myself. Made a couple of calls then sent her an email couple of days later with what I found out. Wow, didnt go down too well. Turns out the place I made inquires at don't like her much and she was concerned i'd mentioned her name. She was ok with me still but tells me she plans to do some flying in a couple of months but nothing untill then. I gave her call that night and she told me after she does that flying she will organise something for us then. But that could be 3 months away.

Ok so thats it. Based on all this What is she thinking about me? Why does she say she wants to do something with me outside work a few times now but I just can't seem to get it done? She is a very ambitious career woman. Does that hold her back? Does she just see me as a friend even though I think it's clear i'm into her? Should i go for the dinner date again? She is usually pretty flirty with me and seems pretty comfortable talking to me judging by some of the stuff she tells me. I'm thinking go NC again for a while.
Thanks for the advice guys and hopefully I will come out of this on the other side and will have equally good advice for others on here later. And not be a AFC!
 
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Sorry OP, but I think you've only just got your head above the "friend zone quicksand".
As others have said, if she was into you romantically, she would have rescheduled whatever other bullsht she had going on to see you.
It's obvious her main priority is work but I'm sure she loves the really nice guy from work who she can talk to about stuff.
I know you've been trying to nail her down for a date but she's just not showing enough interest for me to believe she sees you as nothing more than just a really nice guy friend.
Sorry man. Just go NC and try not to get bogged down in bullsht conversations with her unless it's about a date.
 

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Sounds like she's found herself a nice, dedicated friend. One that's always willing to invite her out, even when she's busy and do fun stuff for her. What a nice friend.
 

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OP, one of the things I've learned, ...

if I'm prompted to write a wall of text with many tiny little details about a woman, I objectively look at the issue and conclude ... I'm way more interested in her than she me.

At which time I say feck it and don't bother (her fault, my fault, irrelevant).
Oddly enough, my indifference seems to be felt and typically then works against me. As in, when I give up, they don't just fade but rather need to be told LJBF.

Bottom line ... if you're too wired to one woman, you're going to either blow it or you'll be miserable waiting for it.

Keep moving on, and eventually, you'll be dodging them. They can smell it and it works to your benefit.

SH
 

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OP, you'll get a lot more readers if you divide your post up into paragraphs. Some of us don't read posts that aren't divided up for the ease of the reader. Look at flashpoint's post to see what I mean.
 

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It's an office not high school. Leave chics at work alone. I just started a new job and there are tons of hot little sales girls. I look at each one as a walking pink slip. Leave it out.
 

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So I go NC again. And she starts calling about a week later for no reason each time. Then she asked me to dinner. Went tonight. This girl's behaviour is deadset bizarre.
Went well. 3 hours good conversation. Heaps of good BL. Even went back to her apartment for coffee. But it wasn't looking like she was up for anything more so I didn't go for it.
She looks very interested but also talks about not wanting a BF at the moment. I wasn't asking either BTW.
Looks like we'll be doing something again soon. But I'm probably going to just go quiet again until she contacts me. Every time I do something good I go NC and she warms up more and more each time.
Like I said, I find it really bizarre but I'm getting used to it. Just takes a lot o patience. I'm very determined to win this one.
Thanks for your help before guys. Especially you Pig. I was getting pretty down back there and it helps heaps to spill your guts to strangers on the net.
 

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One thing I read recently that really connected with me was:
"if she is interested, she will make it easy..."
 
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